What midwestern city seems most “urban” to you (except Chicago)? - Page 14

mrnyc · #1 Posted **Dec 10, 2021, 6:58 PM**

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The main art museums seems like a tie but Cleveland has nothing like the Henry Ford museum, or Cranbrook just off the top of my head. .

nope. it does. cle has a nice auto museum too in crawford and also moca. just of the top of my head.

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Cleveland's art museum is nowhere near downtown either, it's in an autocentric culture campus.

are you seriously trying to imply the cle art museum location is somehow less attractive than the detroit setting? obviously you are google warrioring here and have not been to both. you need to visit university circle and the cle art museum some day guy. well connected by brt and the rapid rail. be sure to have some cassata cake from corbos for me on your apres stroll in little italy. you are formally invited!

The North One · #2 Posted **Dec 10, 2021, 7:51 PM**

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nope. it does. cle has a nice auto museum too in crawford and also moca. just of the top of my head.

No you really don't, there is no museum in the United States like Henry Ford even excluding Greenfield village. It's not just an auto musuem LMAO, you clearly haven't been. You don't know what you're talking about.

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are you seriously trying to imply the cle art museum location is somehow less attractive than the detroit setting?

Uh yes, 100%. Without a doubt. DIA is in the middle of Midtown in a very walkable setting. Cleveland Museum is the opposite.

mrnyc · #3 Posted **Dec 10, 2021, 7:55 PM**

^ it is the opposite, its in the old second downtown, but you are wrong it is walkable and its setting is very attractive.

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No you really don't, there is no museum in the United States like Henry Ford even excluding Greenfield village. It's not just an auto musuem LMAO, you clearly haven't been. You don't know what you're talking about.

yes it is much more.

i have been several times.

as a child.

but not as a young adult living nearby for 8 yrs.

now instead of editing your remarks -- anything else you need to know? you are wasting time -- go get yourself to cleveland boddy boy!

homebucket · #4 Posted **Dec 10, 2021, 8:11 PM**

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Uh yes, 100%. Without a doubt. DIA is in the middle of Midtown in a very walkable setting. Cleveland Museum is the opposite.

Not... really...

https://goo.gl/maps/WixNoMAj4RwKyB7x9

https://goo.gl/maps/1MFWC87G7TMpeMhS7

You can even see donut lines in this one:
https://goo.gl/maps/YWKJmfTwitWadfzT7

And then there's this:
https://goo.gl/maps/cQDZGoVpRFW3dVWC7

ChiSoxRox · #5 Posted **Dec 10, 2021, 8:20 PM**

The Toledo War never dies.

Steely Dan · #6 Posted **Dec 10, 2021, 8:27 PM**

^ and Toledo has a very highly regarded art museum as well.

Perhaps even better than Detroit's or Cleveland's?

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

iheartthed · #7 Posted **Dec 10, 2021, 9:07 PM**

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The Toledo War never dies.

I laughed.

homebucket · #8 Posted **Dec 10, 2021, 9:12 PM**

The battle for control of the Maumee is real.

edale · #9 Posted **Dec 10, 2021, 8:54 PM**

Someone from Detroit playing the google streetview game...that's a bold move. Careful with that.

University Circle is far less autocentric than basically anything in Detroit. Detroit has as much rail in the ground as Cincinnati-- a small streetcar line. Meanwhile, Cleveland has two light rail lines, a heavy rail line that serves the airport, downtown, and University Circle, and multiple BRT lines. Here's the recently redone Little Italy/University Circle Rapid station, which is about a 10-15 min walk from the art museum:

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5086...7i16384!8i8192

A quick Google of "best art museums in the US" yields these lists. Each lists Cleveland above Detroit:
https://www.timeout.com/usa/things-t...ums-in-america
https://www.tripsavvy.com/top-art-mu...states-3301103
https://www.ranker.com/list/best-art.../admiralcrunch

There is a pretty commonly known "Big 5" of US orchestras. They are New York, Boston, Chicago, Philadelphia, and Cleveland. Check the wiki page for yourself:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_(orchestras)

Considering it's a substantially larger city/metro than Cleveland, it's somewhat embarrassing how Detroit under performs in these cultural metrics.

#10 Posted **Dec 11, 2021, 5:38 PM**

Boston and Baltimore feel pretty damn different to me, about as different as St. Louis and Cleveland IMO.

Also love how St. Louis' world-class legacy/cultural institutions are consistently left out of these conversations about best in the Midwest. Botanical Garden (top 3 in the world), Zoo (top 3 in the US), Art Museum, Contemporary Art Museum, Pulitzer Foundation for the Arts, Symphony Orchestra (second oldest in the US), Municipal Theater (oldest outdoor theater in the US), Black Rep Theater (in general the theater scene is top notch), Circus Flora (yes, we have our own circus that trains people from all over the wold in circus arts), Science Center, Forest Park and the rest of the park system, the public library system, National Building Arts Center, Laumier Sculpture Park, etc. St. Louis' cultural institutions are every bit as diverse and distinguished as anywhere else in the Midwest.

Crawford · #11 Posted **Dec 11, 2021, 6:23 PM**

I'd argue that the Appalachians are a pretty major cultural divide, and places like Duluth and Evansville, while indeed different, have more in common than places on other side of the Appalachian divide.

pj3000 · #12 Posted **Dec 11, 2021, 6:58 PM**

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I'd argue that the Appalachians are a pretty major cultural divide, and places like Duluth and Evansville, while indeed different, have more in common than places on other side of the Appalachian divide.

In some cases, sure… though having grown up in Pennsylvania (which is THE location to exemplify what you’re suggesting), I actually see a significantly greater cultural difference north vs. south in the state than I do east vs. west, i.e., one side of the Appalachians vs the other side. The northern tier of PA is exactly like the southern tier of NY, while the southern half of PA is much older, the progeny of Philly and Baltimore. As examples, Pittsburgh, Harrisburg, Lancaster, York, etc. are all much more like Philly than they are like cities even 50 miles to their north; Scranton-WB is more like Erie than it is like the Lehigh Valley or Reading.

Duluth and Evansville are quite an odd couple though as Midwestern though, wouldn’t you say? Duluth is Canadian and Evansville flies under the Confederate flag.

pj3000 · #13 Posted **Dec 11, 2021, 7:49 PM**

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Boston and Baltimore feel pretty damn different to me, about as different as St. Louis and Cleveland IMO.

Stop it. I can’t even relate to you as a human if you truly believe this.

Boston and Baltimore are Yankee and Midlands versions of the same city.

St. Louis and Cleveland… Seriously? They’re not even on the same planet, relatively speaking.

What color is the sky in your world?

#14 Posted **Dec 11, 2021, 8:02 PM**

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