Perimeter Highway | Winnipeg - Page 133

Andy6 · #**2641** Posted **Sep 19, 2020, 12:33 AM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

So this is an interim measure, I’m guessing?

Yes, for the interim between now and when the fancy plan is actualized in A.D. 2307.

esquire · #**2642** Posted **Sep 19, 2020, 2:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by Andy6

Yes, for the interim between now and when the fancy plan is actualized in A.D. 2307.

They sped up the timeline?

The Jabroni · #**2643** Posted **Sep 19, 2020, 2:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

They sped up the timeline?

There's a timeline?

rrskylar · #**2644** Posted **Sep 19, 2020, 3:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by WildCake

Looks like a proper merge lane is being put in from SB to WB at St anne's and Perimeter. Better than the "Welcome to 80km/h traffic merge-but-is-actually-a-yield" that is there now

What for, it’s not like any Manitoba drivers know how to actually use merge lanes, either stop at the beginning or in the middle of the merge lane is the usual approach for most here!

esquire · #**2645** Posted **Sep 19, 2020, 3:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by rrskylar

What for, it’s not like any Manitoba drivers know how to actually use merge lanes, either stop at the beginning or in the middle of the merge lane is the usual approach for most here!

Counterpoint: That is the only prudent way to drive in unfamiliar areas where you don't know if you have a 100 m merge lane or absolutely nothing at all. And hell, St. Mary's SB to WB Perimeter gives you barely a few feet to merge into highway traffic...

Wpgstvsouth94 · #**2646** Posted **Sep 20, 2020, 9:38 PM**

I really hope they announce another interchange next year. St Anne’s should have been a package deal with st Mary’s due to the close proximity. Get it done all in one piece.

WildCake · #**2647** Posted **Sep 20, 2020, 10:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by Wpgstvsouth94

I really hope they announce another interchange next year. St Anne’s should have been a package deal with st Mary’s due to the close proximity. Get it done all in one piece.

Some other posters have suggested that St Annes will be a package deal with the rail overpass, since those two are a lot closer to one another

Edit: to add, the St Annes interchange will require a lot of private property:

https://www.gov.mb.ca/mit/hpd/pth100...e/segment5.pdf

esquire · #**2648** Posted **Sep 21, 2020, 1:06 AM**

^ The South Perimeter has existed for 60+ years... literally the better part of a century. How on earth did the province not assemble the land for interchanges in that time?!

WildCake · #**2649** Posted **Sep 21, 2020, 2:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

^ The South Perimeter has existed for 60+ years... literally the better part of a century. How on earth did the province not assemble the land for interchanges in that time?!

Lack of planning for sure, but in their defense the intersection was as rural as it gets back in the day.

Here's a map of the built-up Winnipeg in 1966, 11 years after Perimeter was started. Urban Winnipeg barely crept over what is now Bishop Grandin (you can see the ROW as an empty sliver in the St Vital area).

https://www.flickr.com/photos/manito...7622681947364/

They should have acquired the land when St Vital/River Park South started sprawling towards Perimeter in the 90s/early 00s.

esquire · #**2650** Posted **Sep 21, 2020, 2:27 PM**

^ Yes, but when you're planning an expressway you would think that some thought would be given to land acquisition for future needs! Some interchanges were built right off the bat so it's not like the entire concept of interchanges was in the far off, distant future.

Andy6 · #**2651** Posted **Sep 21, 2020, 4:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

^ Yes, but when you're planning an expressway you would think that some thought would be given to land acquisition for future needs! Some interchanges were built right off the bat so it's not like the entire concept of interchanges was in the far off, distant future.

I imagine that an interchange at St. Anne's, which I remember as a little country road, would have seemed so far in the future that they wouldn't have bothered.

Biff · #**2652** Posted **Sep 21, 2020, 5:29 PM**

Construction starting shortly on replacing the Jersey barrier between Portage Ave and Roblin Blvd.

Eric19 · #**2653** Posted **Sep 22, 2020, 9:37 PM**

Not sure if someone already posted this:

https://news.gov.mb.ca/news/print,index.html?item=49223

"The Manitoba government is moving forward with the tendering process for a new bridge on Provincial Trunk Highway (PTH) 59 over the Red River Floodway"

This was posted on Sept 15/2020.

bomberjet · #**2654** Posted **Sep 23, 2020, 1:49 AM**

Yup. Although I havent seen the tender posted on merx yet.

Biff · #**2655** Posted **Sep 23, 2020, 1:31 PM**

^^^Should be in early Oct

CoryB · #**2656** Posted **Sep 23, 2020, 4:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

Construction starting shortly on replacing the Jersey barrier between Portage Ave and Roblin Blvd.

Any insight on why they are replacing the Jersey barrier when that stretch of the Perimeter is included in the south Perimeter overhaul and will need more lanes added?

WildCake · #**2657** Posted **Sep 23, 2020, 4:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by CoryB

Any insight on why they are replacing the Jersey barrier when that stretch of the Perimeter is included in the south Perimeter overhaul and will need more lanes added?

Because the jersey barriers is a safety item that desperately needed to be replaced, and is relatively inexpensive to do.

The timeline for the south Perimeter overhaul was something like 30 years. Who knows when the specific upgrades to 6 lanes in that stretch of highway will be done. It will be sooner than most of Perimeter as the sections that include river crossings are by far the busiest stretches of the whole highway, but that is still years away.

Chances are, the jersey barriers will needed to be replaced again before that happens.

Edit: Found the 2019 Provincial traffic counts for those interested. These stretches are by far the highest in the Province road network:
Perimeter between Portage and PTH 3
Perimeter between Waverley and St Annes
Perimeter between PTH 7 and PTH 9 (Main)
59 North around the Perimeter interchange
Hwy 1 East between Perimeter and Deacons

http://umtig.eng.umanitoba.ca/mhtis/...lowmap2019.pdf

So basically gives you an idea of where our infrastructure money should be spent on tackling deficiencies in the highway network

bomberjet · #**2658** Posted **Sep 23, 2020, 4:58 PM**

The 6 lanes upgrades are over 30 years out. That stretch of highway will remain as is for a long time.

Biff · #**2659** Posted **Sep 23, 2020, 6:26 PM**

The Jersey barrier between Waverley and St Mary's was scheduled to be replaced this fall as well, but I believe that project might be put off until the St Mary's interchange is done.

I guess they could do part of it up to the river crossing and leave the rest. The part from the river crossing to St Mary's would have to come out for detours and ramp construction.

bomberjet · #**2660** Posted **Sep 23, 2020, 6:53 PM**

Would you happen to know what the limits of the St. mary's work is? How far down the highway would they go with the re-build. Just to end of the ramps or do some of the median widening stuff too? Seems they would need to get fairly close to the bridge based on the design report.