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Originally Posted by timbad
thanks for the links and perspective, cardinal2007. I understand better what you mean.
also re-dug-up this for Berryessa
it does look like Berryessa has more going for it. fairly encouraging!
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Thanks for the link, I am still hoping they will have more of a model similar to Reston Town Center
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reston_Town_Center which has more of a strict grid within its confines, as well as parking more relegated to the edges of the development (I do think they could've done better with the garages though, 1st level retail?). But the main thing is that they built out over 20 years as demand built up, not having to just lay down whatever density made sense in 1988, and leave it at that.