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According to mapquest SAT is 26.47 miles from New Braunfels and ABIA is 50.70 miles so SAT is CLOSER :D |
SAT's 50 most popular domestic destinations
Out of curiosity, I went to DOT's Consumer Airfare Report (Table 6) to see what the most popular domestic destinations out of San Antonio were. The data is from Q2 2008 - the latest data available.
A couple of notes: The number of daily passengers in each market includes people traveling in either direction. So for example SAT - DFW - 1938 daily passengers mean that about half that number (969) are flying from SAT to Dallas on a daily basis and the other half are flying from Dallas to SAT. These numbers are for origin and destination traffic only, meaning that the passenger either starts their trip in SAT and ends in the other city, or starts in the other city and ends in SAT. Again, using SAT-Dallas as an example 1,938 passengers per day either start in SAT and end in Dallas or start in Dallas and end in SAT. The numbers do not include folks who fly from SAT to DFW to make a connection to go on to somewhere else. Here's the list ranked in order: 01. Dallas-Fort Worth, TX (includes DFW and Love Field) - 1,938 daily passengers 02. Chicago, IL (includes O'Hare and Midway) - 874 daily passengers 03. New York, NY (includes JFK, La Guardia and Newark) - 734 daily passengers 04. Las Vegas, NV - 701 daily passengers 05. Houston, TX (includes Intercontinental and Hobby) - 632 daily passengers 06. Baltimore, MD - 585 daily passengers 07. Atlanta, GA - 579 daily passengers 08. Denver, CO - 563 daily passengers 09. Los Angeles, CA (LAX only) - 519 daily passengers 10. Phoenix, AZ - 472 daily passengers 11. Washington, DC (includes Dulles and National) - 462 daily passengers 12. Orlando, FL - 429 daily passengers 13. El Paso, TX - 398 daily passengers 14. Philadelphia, PA - 371 daily passengers 15. Detroit, MI - 338 daily passengers 16. San Diego, CA - 329 daily passengers 17. Seattle, WA - 315 daily passengers 18. St. Louis, MO - 314 daily passengers 19. Fort Lauderdale, FL - 311 daily passengers 20. Kansas City, MO - 298 daily passengers 21. Tampa, FL - 262 daily passengers 22. Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN - 225 daily passengers (tie) 22. Nashville, TN - 225 daily passengers (tie) 24. Boston, MA - 208 daily passengers 25. Harlingen, TX - 204 daily passengers 26. San Francisco, CA - 193 daily passengers 27. Raleigh-Durham, NC - 190 daily passengers 28. Indianapolis, IN - 186 daily passengers 29. Salt Lake City, UT - 184 daily passengers 30. Oklahoma City, OK - 183 daily passengers 31. Santa Ana, CA (Orange County) - 159 daily passengers 32. Columbus, OH - 155 daily passengers (tie) 32. New Orleans, LA - 155 daily passengers (tie) 34. Pittsburgh, PA - 154 daily passengers 35. Tulsa, OK - 152 daily passengers 36. Portland, OR - 147 daily passengers 37. Norfolk, VA - 139 daily passengers 38. Charlotte, NC - 136 daily passengers 39. Little Rock, AR - 135 daily passengers 40. Sacramento, CA - 133 daily passengers 41. San Jose, CA - 128 daily passengers 42. Cleveland, OH - 121 daily passengers 43. Jacksonville, FL - 118 daily passengers (tie) 43. Oakland, CA - 118 daily passengers (tie) 45. Hartford, CT - 117 daily passengers (tie) 45. Omaha, NE - 117 daily passengers (tie) 47. Albuquerque, NM - 115 daily passengers 48. Amarillo, TX - 107 daily passengers 49. Birmingham, AL - 99 daily passengers 50. Louisville, KY - 98 daily passengers It looks like Seattle, Kansas City, and Boston are the three most popular destinations out of SAT that currently do not have any nonstop service. |
This thread is for San Antonio.
I've already had to delete a few Austin vs San Antonio posts from here a few days ago. Talking about both cities is fine for certain topics involving the airport(s). Sometimes that can be helpful to the topic here. But when it becomes a contest of who's bigger and better, I'll delete those since they go negative almost every time. |
Recession grounds airport expansion
Recession grounds airport expansion
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I think people are really underestimating the overall impact that that alone will have here in SA. |
I agree, I don't think they were taking that into account in their report. If Terminal C wasn't even expected to break ground until next year, well who knows what things will look like then.
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This is either them being incredibly short-sided "Hey, the projected number of passengers is supposed to decrease so let's hold off until it picks up! That's smart!"
OR They're covering up delays with the recession excuse. Hmmm...? |
I'll go for option B.
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One of the things that makes SAT attractive to potential new airlines is the fact that SAT's airport costs for the airlines are a lot lower than at most other airports. Every airport has what's known as an airline's cost per passenger. This is the data for SAT from page 20 of SAT's 2007 Annual Report. (pdf file) SAT Airline cost per passenger 2000 - $3.08 2001 - $3.50 2002 - $4.14 2003 - $4.76 2004 - $4.31 2005 - $3.62 2006 - $3.04 2007 - $3.34 Notice that the three years where SAT's cost per passenger went above $4.00 were the three years where SAT (and almost every other airport in the nation) had decreased passengers due to the 9/11 attacks and a decline in the economy. When you have fewer overall passengers to spread your costs among, then the cost per passenger will rise. Airlines don't like that. (Sacramento is undergoing an expensive expansion which will drive the airlines' costs up at a time when passenger traffic is declining and the airlines there aren't happy at all.) If SAT's 2009 passenger counts decline, then the cost per passenger will rise again. If SAT truly believes that Terminal C won't be needed until 2014, then it's best to put it on hold. If SAT were to go ahead and proceed, that would only drive up the airline's cost per passenger even more, which would make SAT less attractive for potential new airlines as well as SAT's existing airlines who may be considering whether or not to add additional service. Quote:
AUS airline cost per passenger 2003 - $7.37 2004 - $8.72 2005 - $7.83 2006 - $7.26 2007 - $7.26 2008 - $7.92 As you can see, AUS is twice as expensive as SAT. In fact, I think AUS is the most expensive of all the major Texas airports, although we're still lower than many other airports around the nation. I always thought AirTran would have had an equal chance of success in either AUS or SAT, but they obviously picked SAT. I think one factor that may have tipped the scales in SAT's favor is the fact that their airline cost per passenger is so much lower than at AUS. Anyway, who knows? Maybe by the time Terminal B is finished and the existing old terminal is demolished, the economy will have rebounded enough that SAT may go ahead with Terminal C. I guess time will tell. |
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Nope..that is not the reason AirTran and Spirit chose SAT over AUS. It stems from the owner of VivaAerobus. The European carrier RyanAir is an owner of VivaAerobus, and they were also an owner of SkyBus. SkyBus was in the final stages of making the South Terminal in Austin their south-central U.S. hub and a connecting point for VivaAerobus into Mexico, when SkyBus went out of business. AirTran picked SAT because they felt they couldn't compete with a Ryan affiliate. As for Spirit Airlines, when Spirit started looking at a South Texas or Central Texas airport - Southwest quickly announced they would start flying from Ft. Lauderdale to Austin. Southwest wanted to protect their position in AUS and Spirit can't compete with Southwest so they chose SAT. As for the enplaned passenger fees, they will rise in SAT because the current construction costs has to be paid somehow and making the San Antonio airport look like a new one is gonna cost a pretty penny. |
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Now, according to this article, one of the investors of Skybus was a former executive of RyanAir. Other major investors of Skybus included Fidelity Investments (12.6% ownership), Morgan Stanley (6.4%), Nationwide Mutual Capital (5%), and Tiger Management (4.1%). Smaller investors included Huntington Capital Investment Co., Wolfe Enterprises (owner of The Columbus Dispatch), and Battelle Services Co. Inc. Quote:
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Also, since AirTran flies to Atlanta from SAT and Atlanta is their hub, they can offer connecting service to several other major business markets like Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Hartford, etc. I don't think Skybus even served Atlanta and most of the other airports they served were secondary airports like Portsmouth, NH (alternate for Boston); Newburgh, NY (alternate for New York City): Wilmington, DE (alternate for Philadelphia) and Chicopee, MA (alternate for Hartford), so I'm not sure why AirTran may have felt they couldn't compete with Skybus. Quote:
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SAT's existing terminals were built decades ago and are most likely already paid for. The only new costs (I think) would be for the elevated roadway, the new parking garage, and the construction of Terminal B and later the demolition of the terminal it's replacing. Since SAT was already working on the roadway in front of the airport and the new parking garage in 2008, it will be interesting to see what the cost per enplaned passenger was during 2008. We'll find out whenever SAT releases it's annual report for 2008 - most likely coming up pretty soon. Also, the new parking garage will generate revenue for the airport and that, along with concession sales and taxes on rental cars are all considered non-airline revenue. The more non-airline revenue an airport can generate, the less airline revenue it has to collect from the existing carriers in the form of landing fees, terminal rents, etc. And hopefully, Terminal B will end up being like the new parking garage - completed ahead of schedule and under budget. Wouldn't that be nice? :) |
Is there any renderings of the new terminals?
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Killeen/Temple have to fly out of Austin there isn't any other major airport close people aren't going do drive 2 or 3 hours to Dallas to catch a flight. |
Hey don't know if ya'll have seen this but the airport's website has a construction update and a few pics (as of Jan 09) and there is also a link to a webcam to view progress on the new terminal.
Link to the Webcam>>>> http://71.40.102.189/airport_webcam/ |
SAN ANTONIO | City and Metropolitan Transportation Thread
A thread to discuss transportation news and developments.
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On a personal note, I didn't go. For those who went because they have a beef with the debt brought on by the stimulus bill, I disagree, but completely respect their opinion. I've got a degree in political science (most there haven't had a civics class in dozens of years, much less a degree in the stuff) but it seems those people have forgotten that we live in a REPUBLIC, not a DEMOCRACY. We elect people to go somewhere and make decisions for us. And we get that chance at least every two years on the state and national level- annually if you factor in the varying timing of voting for school boards, water boards, city and county officials, etc. I've always been fascinated that people seem to love their representatives, but hate the bodies they are elected to (it doesn't matter if you hate Barney Frank- he's not your representative, you don't get to overrule the people who did vote for him). But choosing who you elect IS your choice in the matter. No one is even threatening to take that away. Don't like your taxes? Vote for the other guy. Why is that hard to understand? I did think about going and protesting Teri's speech. Thought about holding a sign that said, "Don't trust her. She doesn't live in Bexar County. Who asked her to speak for us on our transportation issues?" But then I realized it wouldn't fit on a sign, so I played softball and drank beer with my buddies instead. |
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February's passenger count decreased 12.7% from 2008 and 10% for the year.
http://www.sanantonio.gov/aviation/i...00932426PM.pdf |
Those numbers should be temporary. I expect them to be up by the end of this year.
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I got a Facebook request to join a San Antonio Light Rail Advocacy Group. Interesting.
Want to join? Find me on facebook through this link (i think): http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?...22&ref=profile I'll then invite you to the group. |
SAT passenger count down 4.3% for March and 7.7% year to date.
http://www.sanantonio.gov/aviation/i...00983426AM.pdf |
SAT construction update
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