New Hotel/Residential Tower for SA
 

Preliminary Plans
Parking floors 1-2
River level/Street Level - entrance lobbies, retail, back of house, courtyard
2nd floor - meeting rooms
3-8th floors - hotel rooms
9-14th floors - residential units

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...200fthotel.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...00fthotel2.jpg

or the 300ft alternative!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...300fthotel.jpg

Great find. I hope it gets built. Not like some other buildings that have come and gone.

Cool! Can't quite pinpoint the location exactly, it's a little hard to tell imo

Where is this. What is the 376' building. Trying to pinpoint exactly where this is.

Why not go bigger? There's only so much land downtown and with the push to get San Antonians to live in the city center, what gives? Show me something in the 40-50 story range!

the 375' is the nix hospital. from what i can tell this is on the corner of navarro and commerce. currently there are some 2 story buildings there.

my mistake. currently there is a parking lot there.

Very cool. Where did this come from?

I hope it's not the shorter version. We've got enough midrises as it is. Don't need any more of those, we need highrises, 350'+, preferably 400'+

I'll file this already under the "wont happen" catagory. I remember seeing the black/white for the 300' building that was supposed to get built near kress (like nextdoor) but it still hasn't happened...It's been around a year with no word...Or pretty close..So just how the details on this are so vague...How are there models of the building, without knowing what companies are involved? Where is the info? Idk i've been let down too many times. Im not trying to be a pessimist just a realist.

OKay were is this project. Is this the Kress building, or a totally different building/location. Was there any copy to go along....

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A realist?

Do you know how long it takes for a building like that to get built?

The Condo building you are referring to is still under review.

IN SA terms or in terms of a major city? I know a 300' building isn't going to get much attention and start construction rather quickly in any large city. SA is unique so maybe i was being unrealistic and forgot to think in SA terms...I know a 300' building in austin dallas or houston isn't going to be "under" review for a year...But hey..I guess it has to do with the art-deco preservation of the kress building look thing..Since this building isn't the same and is hopefully not having to keep a certain look to "preserve" its surroundings maybe we can hear from it sooner than later.

Any guesses as to who will be the hotel tenant?

This is a complete new structure other than the Kress building, and its tower. The applicant is 3D/I - Andres Andujar. The residential part of the proposal is optional, so in all reality this could really only be 198ft to the roof and 220ft to the mech box. The address is 245 East Commerce Street.

No, it most likely has to do with the market, financing or committments. When you're dealing with millions of dollars on a project like this, it could take a little extra work to get all the pieces together...in any city.

The project in this thread is on the lot where the old Planet Hollywood died, next to the Watermark hotel. This space is definately underutilized

Do you know if its on the parking lot itself? Or where the structure is? Or both?

Yea i could see financial stuff taking a while and money issues but still....You'd think 1 300' building in this city where when was the last time a 300' was built? That it would pretty much just go up wam-bam-thank-you-mam instead of all the delays...How's it gonna be when there are multiple 300'+ buildings proposed?

21bl0wed, real estate development does not work like that. It is never wam-bam-thank you ma\'am.

it sure aint... it's more like wam bam and then it blows up in your face by the smallest detail that would not have seemed to have mattered any other time but the time it actually made the difference. i have had clients who "loved" the house like it was already their own, but then their own house under contract at the time they made their offer ends up falling thru and you get screwed... everyone gets screwed.... the only time it is wam bam thankyou ma'am is when both sides have closed and the last penny is paid. period.

this project is located in the current agenda for the hdrc which is located at this linked address (large pdf DL... 40 or 50 mb)

http://www.sanantonio.gov/historic/d...DRC_Agenda.pdf

there is also stuff about vidorra and another hotel condo preject that is being built that is only 5 or 6 floors. check it out.

Okay people, here is the dirt on the "proposed project".

HDRC CASE NO: 2007-50

Address: 245 E. Commerce Street

REQUEST:

1) Demolish an exisiting non-historic structure in the RIO District (Rio Plaza/Planet Hollywood)

2)Contrcut a new high rise with hotel, retail, meeting rooms, parking and residential (optional).


Therefore i think must of us were looking at parking lots, but this building would tear down the planet hollywood and replace it with a taller structure. Now the location makes more sense. I have to say i never saw this coming, and if it does go through, i would like to see a 300 ft structure, that is almost as tall as the nix. It would be very nice on that corner. Build it Up...


:yes:

^^^
True. I've always hated that damned Presidio Plaza building. It doesn't make sense to have a small four story building facing north while most of the tract is a f'ing parking lot on the Commerce side of the street. What a waste.

By the way for those who don't know, the Commerce side of the block is a parking lot and the Crockett side is now Club Rive.

IN SA it hasn't. I just know that a 300' in any other large city isn't going to raise much of an eyebrow and have as much scrutiny. I know thats only an SA thing...So a 300' building proposed here would generally take a lot longer to get underway over a 300' building proposed in some other city like...Dallas or Houston for instance....Right?...Who knows i may be dead wrong and maybe 300' buildings even in chicago take over a year most of the time to get off the ground! lol...Anyway I hope this gets built...With the NIX so close...it would look nice.

I just wish taller buildings in SA could go up as easily as...say...Staybridge went up...And how quickly Vistana started construction...I mean come on why didn't those take so long to get underway?

The reason buildings like the Staybridge and the Vistana are going up so fast is because they are not in the RIO district, which has height restrictions if buildings block light into the riverwalk corridor. If you look at the hdrc review committee agenda pdf, you will see the designs are presented with how the building's shadow will cast at summer and winter solstice. Not only do buildings in SA have to get pass the hdrc, but they might have to get the zoning changed and then ultimately, city council approval.

Cities, like Houston, that don't have any zoning restrictions can approve buildings much quicker. I am not sure about Dallas or Austin, but I know that thier restrictions in historic districts are not as stringent as San Antonio. We have the Riverwalk and the Alamo, which have caused a lot of buildings to be scaled down or not been built because of viewshed or shadow restrictions.

Well, at any rate it's good to hear that a developer is making an effort to put anything up. Here's to hoping it happens. :cheers:

What I did notice about the Vidorra though, is that it said that the design was under review. Which means there are still improvements a long the way, or mis-haps, you never know. Anyway, even if the 300ft structure isn't approved, the 190ft structure is not that bad to have in a rather short area of downtown.

Notice also the River North hotel/codo proposal embedded in the PDF??

5 story, 123 hotel room, 12 condo development with street level retail on Ninth St.

It's nothing significant height-wise, but every development that makes land more scarce will encourage building up.

Vidorra is the fastest selling condo highrise in Texas.

I also noticed Kell-Munoz is putting an office in River North as well. Renovating an old building.

Wheres that info coming from?

Go to KABB.com and click on their News on Demand link and look for the strory “Highrise Living” You may have to then click play video on the story below that one because the link seems to be broken.

Somehow, I don't think Vidorra is the fastest selling condo in the state. If that were true it would probably also be the fastest rising condo in the state.

That said, it may be selling well, which would be good news for other projects in the downtown area. I certainly didn't expect this thread's project.

Wrong again.

Other cities fight tooth and nail over this sort of thing... 300' isn't something to cough at, even in a big city.

How so? A look over proposed projects in 05 on the forum here..Then looking at the u/c 05 list..>I see many that were proposed in 05...and started construction in 05 same with 06. This is an SA specific problem mainly due to all the restrictions aka, alamo shadow, riverwalk shadow, tower height etc. etc. etc. etc. A city that doesn't have all these barriers won't take a year to approve a 300' building. It's common sense. It may not START construction in a year, but the whole approval process in most cases is going to be a lot quicker than what it takes here in SA.

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I agree...

It takes time to build anything. I just hope it gets done.

:order:

Is the building going up over the parking lot as well? Or just over the planet hollywood? If its over the parking lot also...I wonder how many levels of underground parking?

Judging from the renderings it seems to cover the entire length of the block from Commerce to Crockett on both proposals. I'm hoping for the 300', but at this point anything is better than that damned parking lot and that waste of space Rio Plaza.

Uh, I live in Portland Oregon right now, the urban planning model for most of this country, and most buildings take years to get approved

The pessimism isn't healthy, kiddo

not worth it.

Not to sound like a knuckle dragger here, but ugh.

Commission OKs high-rise concept for Planet Hollywood site

Web Posted: 02/21/2007 11:36 PM CST

Scott Huddleston
Express-News

The city's Historic and Design Review Commission gave conceptual approval to a 300-foot high-rise that could replace the downtown complex that once housed Planet Hollywood.
The four-story Rio Plaza, formerly called Presidio Plaza, functions well at the River Walk level as a dining and retail complex, and is a "handsome building," Andrés Andújar, architecture leader with 3D/I, told the commission on Wednesday.


But it's uninviting to visitors, with a parking lot facing Commerce Street, and isn't performing well at street level or above. Working with the owner, Rio Plaza LP, 3D/I has studied designs for a hotel-condo complex that would stand 165 feet, 200 feet or 300 feet high.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/business...0.233e4dbe.jpg

Because of the high cost of land in what Andújar called "the golden street" — an area along Crockett Street that fetches high prices downtown — the owner wants to focus on a height of 300 feet to give the building the density it needs to be cost-effective, he said.

"No matter what you do, this is going to be an expensive property," Andújar said.


Commission members raised concerns about aesthetics from street level, but gave their blessing to the concept.

"I'm supportive of the 300-foot project that I think really speaks to the future," said Xavier Gonzalez, commission chairman.

The building would be catty-corner from the Nix Hospital, which has 24 floors and is about 375 feet tall. It would be U-shaped on lower floors, which would have hotel, retail and meeting space, and an L-shape on upper floors used as condos.

It's been 11 years since Arnold Schwarzenegger and fellow shareholders Bruce Willis and Demi Moore and other celebrities converged on San Antonio to open their Planet Hollywood restaurant during a star-studded NBA All-Star weekend. Patrick Swayze, Charlie Sheen, Chuck Norris, Jimmy Smits, George Clooney and Luke Perry also were on hand.

But the flash wore off over time, and Planet Hollywood quietly closed in late 2001.

Andújar said he hopes to help revive the site with a design that complements the downtown skyline and the River Walk. Although underground parking could be used for condo residents, finding off-site parking for hotel guests will be a major issue, he said.

Commission members nonetheless were heartened.

"Let's go do it. Let's rehab downtown," member Mark Wohlfarth said.

The commission also gave final approval for demolition of the longstanding Los Apaches Café, which is next to the Spanish Governor's Palace, built in 1722, to allow for construction of Marti's, an arts, crafts and jewelry store similar to one in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico.

An early concern about the store was its two-story design, next to the Governor's Palace, a historic site that's open to the public. Members felt tall trees on the north side of the palace would screen the view of the store.

The store, however, must come up with a new exterior color scheme, since the city's historic preservation staff rejected a proposed shade of "antique rose." Members have said a faded shade of pink, green or sand color might be suitable next to the Governor's Palace, which is white.



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After reading the article, i have good feelings about it. If they can design a nice concept this would really get things going, and i hope its the 300 ft one. Build it Up...

ok y'all, back on target! the 300 is a most-likely go and read about the "let's do it, let's rehab downtown." it's about time.


Commission OKs high-rise concept for Planet Hollywood site

Web Posted: 02/21/2007 11:36 PM CST

Scott Huddleston
Express-News
The city's Historic and Design Review Commission gave conceptual approval to a 300-foot high-rise that could replace the downtown complex that once housed Planet Hollywood.
The four-story Rio Plaza, formerly called Presidio Plaza, functions well at the River Walk level as a dining and retail complex, and is a "handsome building," Andrés Andújar, architecture leader with 3D/I, told the commission on Wednesday.

But it's uninviting to visitors, with a parking lot facing Commerce Street, and isn't performing well at street level or above. Working with the owner, Rio Plaza LP, 3D/I has studied designs for a hotel-condo complex that would stand 165 feet, 200 feet or 300 feet high.

Because of the high cost of land in what Andújar called "the golden street" — an area along Crockett Street that fetches high prices downtown — the owner wants to focus on a height of 300 feet to give the building the density it needs to be cost-effective, he said.

"No matter what you do, this is going to be an expensive property," Andújar said.


On the Web
• Historic and Design Review Commission
• Nix Health Care System

Commission members raised concerns about aesthetics from street level, but gave their blessing to the concept.

"I'm supportive of the 300-foot project that I think really speaks to the future," said Xavier Gonzalez, commission chairman.

The building would be catty-corner from the Nix Hospital, which has 24 floors and is about 375 feet tall. It would be U-shaped on lower floors, which would have hotel, retail and meeting space, and an L-shape on upper floors used as condos.

It's been 11 years since Arnold Schwarzenegger and fellow shareholders Bruce Willis and Demi Moore and other celebrities converged on San Antonio to open their Planet Hollywood restaurant during a star-studded NBA All-Star weekend. Patrick Swayze, Charlie Sheen, Chuck Norris, Jimmy Smits, George Clooney and Luke Perry also were on hand.

But the flash wore off over time, and Planet Hollywood quietly closed in late 2001.

Andújar said he hopes to help revive the site with a design that complements the downtown skyline and the River Walk. Although underground parking could be used for condo residents, finding off-site parking for hotel guests will be a major issue, he said.

Commission members nonetheless were heartened.

"Let's go do it. Let's rehab downtown," member Mark Wohlfarth said.

The commission also gave final approval for demolition of the longstanding Los Apaches Café, which is next to the Spanish Governor's Palace, built in 1722, to allow for construction of Marti's, an arts, crafts and jewelry store similar to one in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico.

An early concern about the store was its two-story design, next to the Governor's Palace, a historic site that's open to the public. Members felt tall trees on the north side of the palace would screen the view of the store.

The store, however, must come up with a new exterior color scheme, since the city's historic preservation staff rejected a proposed shade of "antique rose." Members have said a faded shade of pink, green or sand color might be suitable next to the Governor's Palace, which is white.

Thats to funny, i beat ya by a mintue. He he, kevin, you can delete my post, so there are not 2 of the same... Thanxs

Anyone have a stop-watch? Now that approval has been publicly announced, we can see if work has begun in 365 days. ;)

Seriously, I expect really good things from this building. I imagine that an architect has a frustrating/fascinating time trying to design a building that is regal enough to stand next to the Nix (and other historic structures) and modern enough to establish it's own identity and be relevant in the world of 2007.

Very excited.:yes:

complex, you are quite humble, but you're faster than me too... i am as slow as a turtle today. i'm gonna go take a nap, and hopefully by the time i wake up there will be a 50 floor tower being announced to build dt. thanks complex... matt williams

I saw this story on the Fox's News at Nine.....this seems to have come out of nowhere and already things are moving pretty quickly.

300 feet
 

Fun reading your commentaries about the 300 foot approval on Crocket Street, as well as other threads related to Downtown San Antonio.

Good question about when we will see a project go up at Rio Plaza (Presidio). First, the ownership must conclude legal activities. At that time, they might sell the project to a developer. Whoever controls the site eventually will have to push the 300 foot height to get their money back.

The concept does take the whole site and includes excavation, possibly four stories down, to provide parking. Clearly we have to keep the retail access at River Level, but the biggest challenge for this density is parking.

While we are recommending 0.5 cars per hotel room in the downtown area, parking drives many concerns, particularly if the project goes mixed use with condos. unfortunately in Texas, condos are dificult to sell if we don't provide, generally speaking, one car space per bedroom.

Anyway, since the Rio Plaza announcement, we are now working on several other downtown projects, including the one mentioned on Ninth Street, an aLoft on the 400 block of E Houston Street, an Element at Neisner, the 27 story W at Kress, and River North...

San Antonio is definitely going vertical, despite the complications of getting higher densities.

The Kress deal is still cooking and is slated for closing on June 1. If all goes well, the developer intends to do a W there. The condos are questionable at this time. Our market is unabalance when we consider cost of construction vs. market comparables... This location would require condo sales in the $400/SF range.

Angres, you kick major butt! I see you on the news always campagining for more density downtown, I love it! You are a jewel to our city. I can't believe you're actually posting here.