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hunser Jul 29, 2011 7:02 PM

NEW YORK | SNCI NYC Tower | 950 FT / 290 M | 57 FLOORS
 
this proposal just appeared on CTBUH!

link!

Companies Involved
Design Architect Solus4
Structural Engineer LeMessurier Consultants
Facts
Official Name SNCI NYC Tower
Former / Other Name Sustainable Verticle Neighborhood
Type building
Status proposed
Country United States
City New York City
Building Function residential
Structural Material concrete
Proposed 2011
Companies Involved
Design Architect Solus4
Structural Engineer LeMessurier Consultants

Figures
Height: Architectural 289.6 meter / 950 feet
Height: To Tip 289.6 meter / 950 feet

Floors Above Ground 57
# of Elevators 2

i'm not 100% sure if this is serious because i couldn't find any info on the net, well at least not on known sites.

http://www.arthitectural.com/solus4-snci-nyc-tower/


solus4 | SNCI NYC Tower

une 20, 2011 at 3:03 pm



http://www.arthitectural.com/wp-cont...il-640x733.jpg

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Sustainable Vertical Neighborhood Proposed

This iconic 950 foot tall residential tower is proposed for a micro-urban site in New York City. Designed by solus4, an architecture and planning firm, the tower is a vertical neighborhood creating an efficient and valuable use for a small and otherwise underutilized water’s edge site. Uniquely, the tower is designed by solus4 using their SNCI principals (Sustainable Neighborhood Collaborative Initiative). Applying these principles to a vertical neighborhood requires the full engagement of the design team, the building team, the financing team and the owners.

http://www.arthitectural.com/wp-cont...il-640x426.jpg

http://www.arthitectural.com/wp-cont...il-640x800.jpg


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With a cross-section of G plus 55, there are 50 full-floor four bedroom plus apartments planned at approximately 3,000 square feet each served by high speed destination selective elevators. The distinctive shape of this tower comes from its innovative structure and energy generating systems. The entire structural system, designed by LeMessurier Consultants, is in-situ concrete with flat slabs supported by columns and shear walls embedded in the extruded core shaft leaving large portions of the perimeter free for the 14 foot floor to ceiling glass.
http://www.arthitectural.com/wp-cont...il-640x360.jpg

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The exterior glazing makes up one of the tallest proposed hybrid double glazed skins. While the initial intent of the double skin is to enhance the thermal barrier thereby controlling heat gain in the summer and heat loss in the winter, an interesting added benefit will be the chimney effect at the external surface. Strategically placed mini-turbines take advantage of the vertical air movement to generate supplementary power. Balconies at each floor provide exterior space for the resident while adding a variable shading screen to further control glare and heat gain. Temperature controlled window shading with personal preference overrides will provide for individual comfort requirements in any season.
http://www.arthitectural.com/wp-cont...il-640x360.jpg

http://www.arthitectural.com/wp-cont...il-640x360.jpg

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The 950 foot tall blade mast is cantilevered off the concrete frame. Its entire outside surface as well as certain portions of the exterior glazing is covered with transparent thin film photo voltaic panels projected to provide – in combination with other passive and active sustainable systems, the majority of the power requirement for the building. Initial calculations show the building generating excess power at certain times of the year thereby a possible source of income to the residence owners. Keeping to the SNCI principles for energy savings strategies, the building will have no parking except for a quantity of all-electric cars in a variety of model configurations (sedans, SUVs, mini-cars, etc.) that will be garaged on-site and owned and operated by the common ownership of the residences using a card access system.

The balconies, in addition to providing living space and shading, also act as rainwater collectors. The rainwater, rather than being shed to the street, will be harvested and added to the grey water recycling system. Along with fully integrated energy management systems, each apartment will have its own mini-plant for comfort control, domestic water and recycling thereby ensuring a stand-alone capability and reduced reliance on central systems.

hunser Jul 29, 2011 7:04 PM

http://www.arthitectural.com/solus4-snci-nyc-tower/

http://www.arthitectural.com/wp-cont...il-640x360.jpg

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The street level base of the tower will include – in addition to the entrance/exit to the all electric car garage – a multi level common social space including neighborhood retail and food outlets, mini-produce market, terraced cafes, recreation, gym, swimming, museum/gallery space and office/studio space for residents.

Not only will this building provide residences with outstanding views in an outstanding location convenient to all parts of the City, but will also place the owners of the residence in the forefront of low impact and sustainable communities.
http://www.arthitectural.com/wp-cont...il-640x854.jpg

Location: New York City, USA
Architect: solus4
Date: June 2011
3D Visualization: Tangram 3DS LLC

Onn Jul 29, 2011 7:05 PM

New York Boom = Back On

hunser Jul 29, 2011 7:07 PM

http://www.architizer.com/en_us/proj...ew-york/24488/

SNCI Tower New York
New York City, United States

A project by: solus4, Tangram 3DS LLC
About solus4


Quote:

Solus4 is an Architecture, Interior, and Planning design and research firm. We operate as a core group collaborative on a global platform. While our work varies widely in scale, style, and location, we bring the wealth of our combined experience and targeted expertise to each and every project to evaluate Architecture

Quote:

An iconic 950 foot tall residential tower is a vertical neighborhood designed by solus4 architects and planners using their SNCI principals (Sustainable Neighborhood Collaborative Initiative). There are 50 full-floor three bedroom plus apartments at 3,000 square feet each. The distinctive shape comes from its structure and energy systems. The exterior glazing makes up one of the tallest proposed hybrid double glazed skins. While the initial intent of the double skin is to enhance the thermal barrier, an interesting added benefit will be the chimney effect at the external surface. Strategically placed mini-turbines take advantage of the vertical air movement to generate supplementary power. Balconies at each floor provide exterior space for the resident while adding a variable shading screen to further control glare and heat gain.

The 950 foot tall blade mast is cantilevered off the concrete frame. Its entire outside surface as well as certain portions of the exterior glazing is covered with transparent thin film photo voltaic panels projected to provide – in combination with other passive and active sustainable systems, the majority of the power requirement for the building. Keeping to the SNCI principles for energy savings strategies, the building will have no parking except for several all-electric vehicles garaged on-site and owned and operated by the common ownership of the residences.

The balconies, in addition to providing living space and shading, also act as rainwater collectors adding to the grey water recycling system. Along with fully integrated energy management systems, each apartment will have its own mini-plant. The street level base of the tower will include a multi level common social space including neighborhood retail and food outlets, mini-produce market, terraced cafes, recreation, gym, swimming, museum/gallery space and office/studio space for residents placing the owners in the forefront of low impact and sustainable communities.

Dale Jul 29, 2011 7:27 PM

Is this a project or just a concept ?

Don098 Jul 29, 2011 7:29 PM

Whoa, this looks sweet

scalziand Jul 29, 2011 7:53 PM

I'm trying to nail down which lot this project is on. The only street level view shows it being just down the street from BOA, which is obviously wrong. The skyline shots show it to be in the vicinity of the end of Canal street. I think these are some plausible sites. The general area has been targeted for redevelopment for a bit now. Trump SOHO isn't too far away.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1961/snci.png

SD_Phil Jul 29, 2011 7:54 PM

nice. very very nice.

It suggests, without at all copying, Calatrava's old proposal.

Color me excited.

RobertWalpole Jul 29, 2011 8:05 PM

The tan building just to the right of the sailboat is on Canal just east of West Street. This building appears to sit on the site of the old gas station on the south corner of Canal and West Street.

http://www.arthitectural.com/wp-cont...il-640x733.jpg

kingcity Jul 29, 2011 8:11 PM

omfg

yeah i love new york!

hunser Jul 29, 2011 8:14 PM

this is the real deal, i just checked a couple of other sites. go ny! :notacrook:

http://www.morfae.com/0979-solus4/

http://greenlinked.com/architecture/...k-kittery.html

topic(s) Electric Mobility, Solar Energy, Sustainable Materials, Zero Emission
designer solus4-Alfonso Lopez
client solus4
location New York City, Kittery (New York), United States

Quote:

Green facts & awards
-The tower is designed by solus4 using their SNCI principals (Sustainable Neighborhood Collaborative Initiative).
-The distinctive shape of this tower comes from its innovative structure and energy generating systems.
-The exterior glazing makes up one of the tallest proposed hybrid double glazed skins. While the initial intent of the double skin is to enhance the thermal barrier thereby controlling heat gain in the summer and heat loss in the winter, an interesting added benefit will be the chimney effect at the external surface.
-Strategically placed mini-turbines take advantage of the vertical air movement to generate supplementary power.
-Balconies at each floor provide exterior space for the resident while adding a variable shading screen to further control glare and heat gain.
-Temperature controlled window shading with personal preference overrides will provide for individual comfort requirements in any season.
-The balconies, in addition to providing living space and shading, also act as rainwater collectors adding to the grey water recycling system.
-Along with fully integrated energy management systems, each apartment will have its own mini-plant.
-Keeping to the SNCI principles for energy savings strategies, the building will have no parking except for several all-electric vehicles garaged on-site and owned and operated by the common ownership of the residences.
Description
An iconic 950 foot tall residential tower is a vertical neighborhood designed by solus4 architects and planners using their SNCI principals (Sustainable Neighborhood Collaborative Initiative). There are 50 full-floor three bedroom plus apartments at 3,000 square feet each. The distinctive shape comes from its structure and energy systems. The exterior glazing makes up one of the tallest proposed hybrid double glazed skins. While the initial intent of the double skin is to enhance the thermal barrier, an interesting added benefit will be the chimney effect at the external surface. Strategically placed mini-turbines take advantage of the vertical air movement to generate supplementary power. Balconies at each floor provide exterior space for the resident while adding a variable shading screen to further control glare and heat gain.
The 950 foot tall blade mast is cantilevered off the concrete frame. Its entire outside surface as well as certain portions of the exterior glazing is covered with transparent thin film photo voltaic panels projected to provide – in combination with other passive and active sustainable systems, the majority of the power requirement for the building. Keeping to the SNCI principles for energy savings strategies, the building will have no parking except for several all-electric vehicles garaged on-site and owned and operated by the common ownership of the residences.
The balconies, in addition to providing living space and shading, also act as rainwater collectors adding to the grey water recycling system. Along with fully integrated energy management systems, each apartment will have its own mini-plant. The street level base of the tower will include a multi level common social space including neighborhood retail and food outlets, mini-produce market, terraced cafes, recreation, gym, swimming, museum/gallery space and office/studio space for residents placing the owners in the forefront of low impact and sustainable communities.
Project partners & more info
Tangram 3DS LLC
Computer Visualization/Renderings
http://tangram3ds.com/

LeMessurier
Structural Engineers
http://www.lemessurier.com/

kingcity Jul 29, 2011 8:21 PM

new york, the best city of the whole universum :worship:

animatedmartian Jul 29, 2011 8:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scalziand (Post 5363351)
I'm trying to nail down which lot this project is on. The only street level view shows it being just down the street from BOA, which is obviously wrong. The skyline shots show it to be in the vicinity of the end of Canal street. I think these are some plausible sites. The general area has been targeted for redevelopment for a bit now. Trump SOHO isn't too far away.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1961/snci.png

That's not BOA, that's a close relative of Libeskind's WTC.

Check out that shot and this one from google.
http://maps.google.com/?ll=40.726047...-5.31&t=h&z=19

I think they've just sort of photoshopped a generic view of the area. But you can definitely see Goldman Sachs and some of the towers in battery park.

scalziand Jul 29, 2011 8:42 PM

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Originally Posted by animatedmartian (Post 5363409)
That's not BOA, that's a close relative of Libeskind's WTC.

Check out that shot and this one from google.
http://maps.google.com/?ll=40.726047...-5.31&t=h&z=19

Ooooooooh. Now I recognize Goldman Sachs too. Thanks for setting me straight on that.:notacrook:

RobertWalpole Jul 29, 2011 8:44 PM

This is definitely the lot on Canal and West on which the old gas station was located.

You can see the huge warehouse building that St. John's owns, etc.

uaarkson Jul 29, 2011 8:48 PM

I would have never guessed that a skyscraper would go up in that area, let alone one that's almost 1000 ft. tall. A pleasant surprise that I hope makes it beyond proposal.

yankeesfan1000 Jul 29, 2011 8:55 PM

This came out of no whereeeee. The lot where this is located is very small, and this neighborhood is really turning into a pretty fancy part of LM.

Im having a hard time grasping the height however. The surrounding buildings are generally low rise, with the exception of the office building a few blocks south. Anyone know if this got air rights from the "Tower O Garbage" site up a block or so on West St? Or if this is even a serious proposal, and not just a a vision?

Just want to add, in the map that scalziand posted, the most likely spot is the one in the bottom left corner, the one that's sort of cut off. If anyone is wondering, the two sites along West St are being developed by the Department of Sanitation, so they're not barren.

Brian. Jul 29, 2011 8:59 PM

Subscribed...:tup:

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Jul 29, 2011 9:00 PM

Jesus that was a pleasant surprise! Build it its beautiful!

Dac150 Jul 29, 2011 9:09 PM

Nice proposal, yet I'll save the celebration for when it is actually under construction.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Jul 29, 2011 9:16 PM

Wow i just realized that this will be just as tall as the Freedom Tower is now.

StoOgE Jul 29, 2011 9:20 PM

I'm assuming it's two banks of elevators and not just 2 elevators right?

edit: hmm.. it's just 50 apartments.. so I guess 2 elevators would cut it. Jeez, can't imagine what rent would be like on a 3 story 3K sqft apartment.

patriotizzy Jul 29, 2011 10:33 PM

Design change please, and then I might be excited.

babybackribs2314 Jul 29, 2011 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patriotizzy (Post 5363559)
Design change please, and then I might be excited.

I doubt this is likely to get built anyways (seems like some stupid/abstract concept...). One of the websites says instead of having parking for every unit they're going to have communal electric cars? LOL like people paying for 3000sqft apartment are going to use electric vehicles let alone COMMUNAL ones.

I agree that it's ugly as well. Blech. Height isn't always awesome.

Crawford Jul 30, 2011 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RobertWalpole (Post 5363436)
This is definitely the lot on Canal and West on which the old gas station was located.

You can see the huge warehouse building that St. John's owns, etc.

I think this proposal is actually at the lot at the corner of Greenwich & Spring.

The old gas station is south of Canal, and this site is definitely north of Canal, assuming the rendering is placed correctly.

It would also make sense from a zoning perspective, because I'm pretty sure you could do this north of Canal, but not south.

antinimby Jul 30, 2011 12:48 AM

Pure fantasy.

If the weird background locations shown isn't enough of a giveaway, there's also no way in hell something that tall will be allowed to be built in those locations without some kind of massive community uprising.

NYguy Jul 30, 2011 1:14 AM

I believe this is a proposed "concept" similar to this one...
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=181550

But it would be wonderful if it is not.

Crawford Jul 30, 2011 1:16 AM

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Originally Posted by antinimby (Post 5363664)
Pure fantasy.

If the weird background locations shown isn't enough of a giveaway, there's also no way in hell something that tall will be allowed to be built in those locations without some kind of massive community uprising.

I agree this proposal is highly questionable, but definitely not because of zoning.

You can build very tall towers north of Canal. There's a 700+ foot office proposal by Trinity Realty right around the corner.

South of Canal is another story. Not allowed under current zoning in most of Tribeca.

Would there be community outcry? Of course, but as-of-right would make it irrelevent. There would be no public review.

Roadcruiser1 Jul 30, 2011 2:00 AM

Can they please make this building a 1,000 footer. I really want to see this building's presence when I am walking down Canal Street.

Scruffy Jul 30, 2011 2:31 AM

Is it as of right? If this requires any sort of public approval process then its already dead. Its twice the height of trump soho and only a couple blocks from it. Do you remember the hell it was to get that building built. Its got to be that site north of Spring and bordering West. If they own that entire tract of land, then it definitely might have the air rights to be built without approvals needed.

Trump already dominates All of Hudson Square. this would be spectacular in boldness

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Jul 30, 2011 2:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 5363691)
I agree this proposal is highly questionable, but definitely not because of zoning.

You can build very tall towers north of Canal. There's a 700+ foot office proposal by Trinity Realty right around the corner.

South of Canal is another story. Not allowed under current zoning in most of Tribeca.

Would there be community outcry? Of course, but as-of-right would make it irrelevent. There would be no public review.

what 700+ footer?

R@ptor Jul 30, 2011 2:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scruffy (Post 5363760)
If this requires any sort of public approval process then its already dead. Its twice the height of trump soho and only a couple blocks from it. Do you remember the hell it was to get that building built.

I was just thinking the same thing. Let's hope that it doesn't need any public approval...afterall that tower would be a giant middle finger to all the NIMBYs living in that area

NYguy Jul 30, 2011 12:29 PM

I still don't believe this to be an actual proposal, in the sense that there is someone to build it. These renderings don't help that perception (the tower is in various locations).


But it would be spectacular at a lowrise location, almost like a taller version of One Madison Park...


hunser Jul 30, 2011 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 5363989)
I still don't believe this to be an actual proposal, in the sense that there is someone to build it. These renderings don't help that perception (the tower is in various locations).




But it would be spectacular at a lowrise location, almost like a taller version of One Madison Park...


i know, neither do i. let's just wait for some news on a possible developer. if nothing turns out, you can move the thread to the "Never Built & Visionary Project" section.

mrnyc Jul 30, 2011 2:21 PM

two madison park!

Zapatan Jul 31, 2011 5:05 AM

As NY guy pointed out, the fact that the renderings are all in totally different parts of the Island is not a great sign haha:shrug:

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Jul 31, 2011 5:53 AM

Wait a second according to the architect,Solus. this buildings is a legitimate proposal.

heres the link:http://www.solus4.com/portfolio/hosp...snci-nyc-tower


http://www.solus4.com/uploads/projec...s/nmodel_1.jpg
http://www.solus4.com/uploads/projec...s/nmodel_1.jpg

http://www.solus4.com/uploads/projec...s/nmodel_3.jpg
http://www.solus4.com/uploads/projec...s/nmodel_3.jpg

http://www.solus4.com/uploads/projec...s/nmodel_2.jpg
http://www.solus4.com/uploads/projec...s/nmodel_2.jpg

hunser Jul 31, 2011 11:01 AM

^^ it certainly looks that way. i wonder about the height though, 950ft roof or to the parapet? :shrug: i guess that's not important right now, let's just wait for some info who will actually build this tower. also, there is still no info on the exact location.

RobertWalpole Jul 31, 2011 1:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 5363646)
I think this proposal is actually at the lot at the corner of Greenwich & Spring.

The old gas station is south of Canal, and this site is definitely north of Canal, assuming the rendering is placed correctly.

It would also make sense from a zoning perspective, because I'm pretty sure you could do this north of Canal, but not south.

The gas station is on the south corner of Canal. Also, while the renderings seem to have some discrepancies, this is clearly on West Street (not Greenwich), as evidenced by the medians on West Street.

http://www.arthitectural.com/wp-cont...il-640x854.jpg

Travis007 Jul 31, 2011 1:36 PM

This looks good, another modern classic for NYC.

Dac150 Jul 31, 2011 4:13 PM

I still wouldn't bank on this being a real proposal. Something might come out of this that doesn't exactly refelct the renders being released right now.

RobertWalpole Jul 31, 2011 5:18 PM

http://www.solus4.com/uploads/projec...ide_nologo.jpg

NYguy Aug 1, 2011 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobertWalpole (Post 5364653)
The gas station is on the south corner of Canal. Also, while the renderings seem to have some discrepancies, this is clearly on West Street (not Greenwich), as evidenced by the medians on West Street.

http://www.arthitectural.com/wp-cont...il-640x854.jpg

That would explain the big, fat BofA and its spire, and awkward orientation...;)

RobertWalpole Aug 1, 2011 11:49 AM

As others have suggested, that might depict Liebeskind's tower. Goldman Sachs is clearly diected. Also, BofA's roof doesn't slope east-west, it slopes north-south.

NYguy Aug 1, 2011 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobertWalpole (Post 5365387)
As others have suggested, that might depict Liebeskind's tower. Goldman Sachs is clearly diected. Also, BofA's roof doesn't slope east-west, it slopes north-south.

I don't know what it's trying to "depict", but it's clearly the BofA. Any current proposal would have just used the Freedom Tower anyway. I know that we have sometimes had a rendering come out before details of an actual proposal - not often - but even here I don't feel that's the case. All of the renderings just depict the tower on the New York cityscape.

STERNyc Aug 1, 2011 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobertWalpole (Post 5365387)
As others have suggested, that might depict Liebeskind's tower. Goldman Sachs is clearly diected. Also, BofA's roof doesn't slope east-west, it slopes north-south.

Its West Street. On the right side is the actual view, you can see Goldman Sachs as well as Battery Park residential highrises. On the left side it is clearly 43rd Street from Vanderbilt Avenue - I see the same view everyday. You can clearly see 330 Madison Avenue, 500 Fifth Avenue, the Grace Building, then BOFA, and then a little bit of the advertising screens above Conde Nast.

animatedmartian Aug 1, 2011 3:04 PM

So wait, why would they photoshop two different areas of Manhattan? It seems a bit much just to make the view more interesting. Unless they're purposely being vague about where it could be built.

scalziand Aug 1, 2011 3:34 PM

It's not the first time that renderings for a (serious?) project have been suspect. 56 Leonard had similarly confusing renders.

RobertWalpole Aug 1, 2011 7:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STERNyc (Post 5365402)
Its West Street. On the right side is the actual view, you can see Goldman Sachs as well as Battery Park residential highrises. On the left side it is clearly 43rd Street from Vanderbilt Avenue - I see the same view everyday. You can clearly see 330 Madison Avenue, 500 Fifth Avenue, the Grace Building, then BOFA, and then a little bit of the advertising screens above Conde Nast.

Are you referring to this photo? If so, this view of midtown seems about correct from this height at this location.

http://www.arthitectural.com/wp-cont...il-640x733.jpg

NYguy Aug 1, 2011 11:17 PM

Let's face it, the renderings are not the most accurate. If this was a more serious proposal, I think they would try to get the details such as views from the tower more accurate. Front of the class if you can see what's wrong with this one.


I think this will be moved to "visionary" until or if it becomes an actual proposal by an actual developer.


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