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Prezrezc Dec 8, 2015 3:18 AM

NEW YORK| 41-43 West 57th St | 1,492 FT | 102 FLOORS
 
Posted on 6sqft.com by contributor Ondel Hylton, 12-7-15:

http://www.6sqft.com/could-this-othe...to-57th-street

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Jaded by glass boxes and architectural imitations of styles gone by? Well this fascinating design by Mark Foster Gage Architects is sure to turn your architectural world upside down. Here’s our first look at their 102-story residential supertower seemingly flown in from some advanced airborne civilization in a galaxy far, far away. While details are scarce, this eagle lands in the heart of Midtown’s Billionaires’ Row along West 57th Street between Fifth and Sixth Avenues.
While this structure in its present form prolly won't turn out as the final product, the technological capability to design supertall facades of this amazing sort is absolutely feasible in every way.

EDIT: Would a mod kindly help me reformat the title of the thread to all caps, please? It doesn't seem to want to behave when I try. Thx.

munchymunch Dec 8, 2015 3:30 AM

^

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Though we are a bit skeptical that Gage’s 41 West 57th design will go forward, the firm’s project page lists its status as “ongoing.” Mark Gage tells us that they must stay mum on the details but the design was commissioned by a developer to see what might be possible in terms of ultra-luxury on that site. The depicted scheme does rise from a legitimate block-through development site comprised of the addresses 41-43 West 57th Street and 50 West 58th Street. The latter address held the home of the national women’s Jewish organization, Hadassah, who sold its building in 2012 for $71.5 million to the mysterious LLC, BOB 57. According to a 2012 Wall Street Journal story, Hadassah can occupy the 60,000 square-foot building for up to three years after the sale date but afterwards the building, along with two others parcels, will be redeveloped into a retail, office, hotel or condominium tower.

AtlantaMustang Dec 8, 2015 3:43 AM

More from the link:

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Ummmmmmm, it's certainly something.

munchymunch Dec 8, 2015 3:45 AM

What ever it is... it's epic. but... a little to much

Randomguy34 Dec 8, 2015 3:52 AM

I have never been so speechless about a skyscraper in my life before

Dale Dec 8, 2015 3:55 AM

wow

munchymunch Dec 8, 2015 3:59 AM

The more I look at it, the more confused I get.

gramsjdg Dec 8, 2015 4:05 AM

Waaaaaaay too much going on with that facade. Kind of a gaudy, garish, German Baroque-ish totem-pole.

Prezrezc Dec 8, 2015 4:10 AM

Well, things do look a bit run-amok to the point at which the fenestration/skin can't be truly appreciated.
If they ratchet the artwork down without making it look borderline banal, we have ourselves a neo-Deco icon a la 111 West. the gold/bronze treatment along the towers surface can stand a bit of being kept in check, too.
I think the architect was described as "Stern meets Gehry".

Randomguy34 Dec 8, 2015 4:13 AM

^ gramsjdg, I'm also starting to notice how this tower has a lot of gears. It looks like they're merging German Baroque with Steampunk, Art Deco, and Futurist. This must be the villain's headquarters in all future movies filmed in New York

Beedok Dec 8, 2015 4:15 AM

So that's the new set up for summoning Gozer the Gozerian?

Gresto Dec 8, 2015 4:32 AM

Ugliest building ever designed.

4thethrill Dec 8, 2015 5:20 AM

Pretty interesting. I'm sure this design is something akin to what clothing designers do for their runway shows; exhibit loud and extravagant concepts to showcase art and creativity. This isn't going to be made but maybe the ideas will be incorporated in the future.

Busy Bee Dec 8, 2015 5:27 AM

What a vulgar lurid rod.

Busy Bee Dec 8, 2015 5:37 AM

Among other things it reminds me of a skyscraper manifestation of that satanic sculpture painting thing behind Al Pacino's desk in the Devils Advocate. Am I wrong?

Yackemflaber69 Dec 8, 2015 6:24 AM

Keep it out of gotham and send it to Dubai where it belongs.

TechTalkGuy Dec 8, 2015 6:43 AM

I wish Donald Trump would have designed this tower, then it all would have made sense.

But as the design appears, it's chaos. :rolleyes:
Then I watched the video and couldn't stop smiling the entire time.
Do we need this building?

Urbana Dec 8, 2015 7:08 AM

This is, of course, a mess. It does stir something in me though. I would not mind seeing a return to ornamentation in contemporary design - of course, executed with more tact than this.

Luckily, this project won't be moving forward as reported by curbed. What blew me away though is that the architect seemed to confirm that this was a genuine plan for an actual developer and not a pie in the sky experimental design.

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2015/1...7th_street.php

BVictor1 Dec 8, 2015 7:34 AM

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Originally Posted by AtlantaMustang (Post 7261590)

Where are Gozer and the Keymaster?

dc_denizen Dec 8, 2015 9:59 AM

Horrific

dumbo Dec 8, 2015 12:45 PM

is this the lair of some super villain?

Busy Bee Dec 8, 2015 10:37 PM

Idk, but the top is definitely the antichrists penthouse.

Ryanrule Dec 9, 2015 4:39 AM

Yeah is this like a superweapon or something?

Doubleu1117 Dec 10, 2015 12:23 AM

It definetly has too much going on, but it doesnt look nearly as bad as it should on paper. I would love to see a return facade ornamentations, and that modern day gargoyle thing is pretty cool.

chris08876 Dec 10, 2015 12:50 AM

It would probably look wicked in the skyline. There really wouldn't be anything close to it in the city. Its so radically different. Its like a cracked out version of the 20's pre-war architecture, only with a 21st century twist. Sure would make heads snap up at a 102 floors.

Crawford Dec 10, 2015 1:10 AM

This is a very cool vision.

In any case, I'm happy to see this site moving forward. With these kinds of air rights, and in that location, we'll probably get something pretty tall and special.

scalziand Dec 17, 2015 3:27 AM

Maybe this is the Schvo tower site. :shrug:

Raraavis Dec 17, 2015 7:01 PM

Apparently they would use some kind of robotic stone carving technology. No skilled artisans would employed other than the design and robotic engineers.

I don't have to love this design to desperately want something this unique to be built.

NYguy Jan 9, 2016 1:35 AM

http://www.engineering.com/BIM/Artic...hitecture.aspx

http://res.cloudinary.com/engineerin...001_iahiv9.jpg


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Combining Robotics with BIM for Architecture


At 1,492 ft high, the so-called Khaleesi Tower isn’t on the same scale as supertall skyscrapers such as the Shanghai Tower. However, it will certainly hold its own in Manhattan.

Like most towers, the main structure is constructed from glass and concrete. The stylized architectural details are to be carved out of limestone-tinted concrete panels and hydroformed sheet-bronze. These accents will be supported by structural extrusion enclosures and cantilevers made from a brass-tinted alloy.

Traditionally, this type of highly detailed carving would be a massive project for stonemasons that could span decades. Instead, Gage plans to bring the idea of Gothic cathedral-style architectural accents into this century (and to keep the project timeline in check) by carving them using computer numerical control (CNC) machining and robotics.

“Boxes clad in steel and glass are so last century,” said Gage. “Computers and robotics are giving architects access to levels of complexity [that] we haven’t had in centuries.”

There aren’t any set plans for construction yet—the tower is a design commissioned by a local developer. However, as the project progresses from design toward realization, building information modeling (BIM) will have the chance to showcase its talents at project coordination.

Gage plans to introduce the popular design and construction process into the project in order to prevent crossed wires and miscommunications—especially with the volume of detail work required for the robot-machined art pieces.

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photoLith Jan 9, 2016 6:34 AM

Although I would love to see ornamentation used again, this thing is just ridiculous.

NYguy Jan 12, 2016 3:12 AM

Video Link

camdoodlebop Mar 9, 2016 7:54 PM

imagine the upkeep on this building whenever a piece of it chips off or gets stained

jayden Mar 28, 2017 4:10 PM

No thanks.

NYguy Apr 24, 2018 7:09 PM

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toddguy Apr 29, 2018 1:42 AM

The only place I can see this working in the U.S. is in downtown Vegas (where they allow taller buildings father from the airport near where the Stratosphere Tower is located.

Or maybe this would be a residence for The Predator?

Hudson11 Apr 29, 2018 2:17 AM

looks like something that would be found buried underground in Egypt or Mexico.

franktko May 1, 2018 12:34 AM

I'm sure Trump loves it

Duffstuff129 May 3, 2018 4:15 AM

I've got to say - I'm pretty surprised at the reaction to this one. The fact that it was apparently commissioned with some kind of intent of being realized makes me tremendously excited. It's obviously incredibly gaudy and, were it to ever move forward even an inch toward actual development, the ornamentation would certainly be toned down one or ten notches, but that's what makes this tower such an exciting prospect!

The idea of such a heavily ornamented building, where the ornamentation is actually more than mere ornamentation, to the point where it even seems (see note 1) to constitute the actual structure of the building, is a fascinating hybrid, in my opinion of: 1. the ideas that underlie the structural engineering of buildings like the John Hancock Center and Minoru Yamasaki's WTC, in which the facade's most interesting visual elements are the structural supports; and 2. art deco sensibilities, in which strong lines and culturally powerful symbolism drive the aesthetic.

I simply love the boldness of this tower - it would be a marvel for the entire world - a truly puzzling piece which, I have no doubt, would quickly become among the most famous New York landmarks. Imagine the staid silhouettes of the New York skyline livened up by this playful, yet beautifully sinister parti. And then imagine standing beneath it, making out clearly the monolithic details, that would in other buildings be invisible, as you puzzle out this web of symbols - eagles, fans, gears - who knows?

This building is clearly meant to be strange and fascinating and I for one am willing to allow myself to be swept up in its gaudy excitement. Why? Because there would be nothing like it in the world - and no one would ever attempt to imitate it. And the final design, once it is refined and, hopefully, merely made more elegant, yet no less detailed or bold, would become the envy of all the cities in the world, even as it is maligned in its own time as too large, too strange, and too uncharacteristic of its city. Just as they said of the Eiffel Tower, the Empire State Building, and nearly every beautiful monstrosity that dares to be absurd.

I made my first post in many years to express this thought - I'm surprised that a skyscraper forum was drawn in by something so massive and whimsical!

Note 1: I mean that the building would appear to be supported by its ornamentation, even though I'm quite sure that it would have no or nearly no actual structural relevance.

chris08876 Sep 25, 2018 11:40 PM

Turkish developer Sedesco adds to Billionaires’ Row assemblage with $80M buy

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Turkish developer Sedesco is putting together a Billionaires’ Row assemblage with the purchase of a development site for $80 million.

Sedesco closed last week on its purchase of the property at 41 West 57th Street from Florida-based seller Asuman Polat, property records filed with the city Tuesday show.

The purchase gives Midtown-based Sedesco about 100,000 square feet of buildable area on the block between Fifth and Sixth avenues. The company in 2012 paid $71.5 million to buy an adjacent property at 50 West 58th Street.

Neither Sedesco nor Polat could be immediately reached for comment.

The purchase now gives Sedesco full control of the property at 41 West 57th Street, which is a point of contention between Polat and billionaire real estate investor Kamran Hakim.

Polat triple net leased the property to Hakim in 1998 for a term of 40 years, expiring in 2028. In October of last year, Hakim transferred the lease to Sedesco for $27.9 million, property records show.

But in March, Polat filed a lawsuit in Manhattan State Supreme Court claiming Hakim defaulted on the lease in July 2016 by failing to pay more than $60,000 he owed to the landlord.

The case is still ongoing.

Renderings for an ornate, 102-story residential tower at the site appeared online in 2015, though they appear to be merely conceptual.
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TRD

JMKeynes Feb 13, 2019 9:40 PM

This may be the article I was thinking of.

The Best Forumer Feb 19, 2019 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Duffstuff129 (Post 8175238)
I've got to say - I'm pretty surprised at the reaction to this one. The fact that it was apparently commissioned with some kind of intent of being realized makes me tremendously excited. It's obviously incredibly gaudy and, were it to ever move forward even an inch toward actual development, the ornamentation would certainly be toned down one or ten notches, but that's what makes this tower such an exciting prospect!

The idea of such a heavily ornamented building, where the ornamentation is actually more than mere ornamentation, to the point where it even seems (see note 1) to constitute the actual structure of the building, is a fascinating hybrid, in my opinion of: 1. the ideas that underlie the structural engineering of buildings like the John Hancock Center and Minoru Yamasaki's WTC, in which the facade's most interesting visual elements are the structural supports; and 2. art deco sensibilities, in which strong lines and culturally powerful symbolism drive the aesthetic.

I simply love the boldness of this tower - it would be a marvel for the entire world - a truly puzzling piece which, I have no doubt, would quickly become among the most famous New York landmarks. Imagine the staid silhouettes of the New York skyline livened up by this playful, yet beautifully sinister parti. And then imagine standing beneath it, making out clearly the monolithic details, that would in other buildings be invisible, as you puzzle out this web of symbols - eagles, fans, gears - who knows?

This building is clearly meant to be strange and fascinating and I for one am willing to allow myself to be swept up in its gaudy excitement. Why? Because there would be nothing like it in the world - and no one would ever attempt to imitate it. And the final design, once it is refined and, hopefully, merely made more elegant, yet no less detailed or bold, would become the envy of all the cities in the world, even as it is maligned in its own time as too large, too strange, and too uncharacteristic of its city. Just as they said of the Eiffel Tower, the Empire State Building, and nearly every beautiful monstrosity that dares to be absurd.

I made my first post in many years to express this thought - I'm surprised that a skyscraper forum was drawn in by something so massive and whimsical!

Note 1: I mean that the building would appear to be supported by its ornamentation, even though I'm quite sure that it would have no or nearly no actual structural relevance.


In many ways, the words of a forumer come easy. We risk very little, yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we must face is that in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is probably more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. But there are times when a architect truly risks something and that is in the discovery and defense of the new. The world is often unkind to new talent, new creations. The new needs friends. With this tower, we experienced something new, an extraordinary creation from a singularly unexpected source. To say that both the building and its maker have challenged my preconceptions about fine architecture is a gross understatement. They have rocked me to my core. To many of us have forgotten what fine architecture is about. It is about towers such as this.

Visionist Sep 26, 2019 11:56 AM

I must be one of the very few people who unironically loves this. To me it represents the perfect wedding of the little angel and devil on our shoulders.

The angel wants us to be selfless, to help others and be righteous and all that. The devil wants us to be selfish and push others down to get what we want.

This building would be built for selfish purposes, but it would also be a gift to the architectural community; no longer would we be hamstrung by the same tired old stylistic thinking. Modernist, postmodernist etc. Instead we could literally build anything provided somebody wants to pay for it.


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