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nature's calling Feb 7, 2010 6:45 PM

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Originally Posted by staplesla (Post 4671142)
The cost of building stadiums for professional sports franchises has increased beyond the ability for owners or even public entities to pay for them alone, a consultant hired by the Centre City Development Corp. said Wednesday.

Stadium price tags skyrocketed beginning around 2002, leading to the $1.2 billion stadium opened during the current NFL season for the Dallas Cowboys, said Mitchell Ziets, who made a presentation to the CCDC board of directors.

Ziets provided background information that CCDC officials hope will help them negotiate a financial package for the Chargers to build a stadium in downtown San Diego.

"We're a long way from any kind of football stadium yet," CCDC Chairman Fred Maas said.

All 11 NFL stadiums built or renovated since 2002 were funded by a mix of public and private financing, with multiple jurisdictions often being involved, said Ziets, of Evolution Media Capital in New York City.

Ford Field, the stadium for the Detroit Lions, was built with the participation of the city and county, according to Ziets. Lucas Oil Stadium was built for the Indianapolis Colts with the help of several counties, and other stadiums received financing from state governments, he said.

The Chargers said for several years they wanted to privately finance a new home. But when the site at the edge of East Village became the last viable alternative, they conceded that public financing would be required.

The trend, however, is for NFL owners to shoulder a greater share of the financial burden, Ziets said.

"Teams are willing to put more (money) in," he said. "Are they willing to fund it themselves? No."

He said teams in the biggest markets were willing to put in more money for stadium construction. San Diego is traditionally considered a small sports market, but since Los Angeles doesn't have a professional football team, the definition of the local market is less precise.

* Ziets' report did include several nuggets for those who support the downtown stadium idea:
* Since the early 1990s, 27 of 38 stadium referendums in all professional sports were passed by voters. Of the 11 that failed, 10 were eventually built after passing a later vote, gaining legislative approval or obtaining private financing
* Around the new millenium, a stadium being a catalyst for nearby development was just an idea, but now it's reality, with recent examples being the Padres' Petco Park and Staples Center in Los Angeles
* The Florida Marlins of Major League Baseball managed to attract financing for a new stadium despite a small fan base and poor economic conditions similar to those of California
Lenders who have not been involved in stadium financing in the past are more interested now

Maas said Ziets will return in two to three months with a report that's more precise about the situation in San Diego, and he hopes the Chargers will have completed a financial feasibility plan by then regarding the East Village site.

http://www.10news.com/news/22358446/detail.html

San Diego could use a new stadium.

CoastersBolts Feb 7, 2010 7:07 PM

Isn't 880 West Broadway supposed to open next year? Seems that due to construction progress at that site (or clearly lack there of), that's not going to happen. I'm assuming this project is yet another that has become a victim of the Great Recession.

tdavis Feb 7, 2010 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CoastersBolts (Post 4686727)
Isn't 880 West Broadway supposed to open next year? Seems that due to construction progress at that site (or clearly lack there of), that's not going to happen. I'm assuming this project is yet another that has become a victim of the Great Recession.

The Irvine Company put this on hold in late 2008.

bmfarley Feb 8, 2010 3:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tdavis (Post 4687027)
The Irvine Company put this on hold in late 2008.

I wonder if the plan to bring HSR to Santa fe Depot played a role... as that project provides additional opportunities for the site.

IconRPCV Feb 8, 2010 6:27 PM

Hey, you know that big party yesterday called the Super Bowl? Well if we get off out arrses and build a new stadium downtown we will will have that big party downtown regularly. In addition that undesirable sense of pride, love and loyalty that all New Orleaneans are feeling with each other and towards their city will one day be ours as the Chargers will eventually win it all, but they need a new home first to do this.

Mariobrotha Feb 10, 2010 6:52 AM

Cruise Ship Terminal
 
I don't know if it's been touched on straightforward-like here or not, but is the terminal being built on the Broadway pier just a temp while the one on B Street is rebuilt? The articles I've found seem to point in that direction, others at the fact that there may ultimately be two terminals operating side-by-side.

Anyway, I thought the Broadway pier was supposed to be a park...

tdavis Feb 10, 2010 6:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mariobrotha (Post 4691429)
I don't know if it's been touched on straightforward-like here or not, but is the terminal being built on the Broadway pier just a temp while the one on B Street is rebuilt? The articles I've found seem to point in that direction, others at the fact that there may ultimately be two terminals operating side-by-side.

Anyway, I thought the Broadway pier was supposed to be a park...

It's permanent. It was originally supposed to be temporary, but state regulations required they build a permanent one.

Urban Sky Feb 10, 2010 7:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 4686660)
The only "start" that I can "envision" towards a better water front is to get rid of the Navy buildings. What the hell happened to the NBC?????????

2nd that. tear em down

SDDTProspector Feb 10, 2010 7:58 PM

Have not seen this video of the NEVP before, looks like there are showing lane field now part of the NEVP first development cycle.... Who knows?... It still doesn't make sense to have the cruize ship terminal dump right in the middle of NEVP...

I really don't think the port of san diego is working in the best interests of the residents of San Diego....

anyways, they had a meeting today with calf coastal commission the hear the appeal to start the 1st phase...

http://www.portofsandiego.org/north-...n-meeting.html

"The California Coastal Commission will consider an appeal to the Port of San Diego's coastal development permit for the first phase of the North Embarcadero Visionary Plan at a meeting tomorrow.

The meeting will be held at 9 a.m. at the Oceanside City Council Chambers, 300 North Coast Highway, Oceanside, CA."




Additional picture of the proposed phase:
http://www.portofsandiego.org/images..._July_2009.jpg

and

http://www.portofsandiego.org/images...ade_072009.jpg

and

http://www.portofsandiego.org/images...way_072009.jpg

mongoXZ Feb 11, 2010 4:42 AM

I recently stumbled upon this vid about NEVP on youtube. It must be pretty old because it said it would be completed by 2010.
Video Link

Derek Feb 11, 2010 7:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SDDTProspector (Post 4692373)
Have not seen this video of the NEB before, looks like there are showing lane field now part of the NEB first development cycle.... Who knows?... It still doesn't make sense to have the cruize ship terminal dump right in the middle of NEB...

I really don't think the port of san diego is working in the best interests of the residents of San Diego....



Additional picture of the proposed phase:
http://www.portofsandiego.org/images..._July_2009.jpg

and

http://www.portofsandiego.org/images...ade_072009.jpg

and

http://www.portofsandiego.org/images...way_072009.jpg



Like that'll ever happen...

SDDTProspector Feb 11, 2010 8:00 AM

Port of San Diego got the smack down by the coastal commission
 
Looks like the previous post of the NEVP revisions is dead already!!!

The California Coastal Commission had killed the attempt of the Port of San Diego to add a variance to the previously approved NEVP.....

http://documents.coastal.ca.gov/repo...24b-2-2010.pdf

Quote:

"SUMMARY OF STAFF RECOMMENDATION:
Staff recommends the Commission deny the de novo permit. The primary issues raised by the subject development are the project’s inconsistencies with the requirements of the certified Port Master Plan (PMP) that expansive public access and recreation amenities be developed along North Harbor Drive, particularly at the foot of Broadway. The proposedproject involves public access improvements, but the nature and usefulness of the proposed improvements are both substantially different and not equivalent to those called for in the certified PMP.
The North Embarcadero Visionary Plan PMP Amendment was approved in 2001 and outlines a program of public access improvement along Harbor Drive including developing a wide esplanade alongside the shoreline, landscaping and streetscaping improvements, passive green spaces, and narrowing and curving Harbor Drive to accommodate a major park or plaza at the foot of Broadway.
The proposed project eliminates both the curve in Harbor Drive and the oval-shaped park/plaza next to the Broadway Pier. Instead, Broadway would terminate at a rectangular plaza/pier entrance, with the esplanade continuing on both sides. The plaza will also function as a driveway to the recently approved auxiliary cruise ship terminal. In addition to the park/plaza and road revisions that are inconsistent with the PMP, the proposed project involves construction of a promenade that is significantly different."
Another document showing notes from the meeting (form for disclosure):
http://documents.coastal.ca.gov/repo...24b-2-2010.pdf

I dont trust the San Diego Port authortity at all, they are in it for the fast buck and dont give a crap about the residents!!!:hell:

Here is a comparison of the orginal Park versus the parking lot the Port authority is proposing........

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._4892347_n.jpg

and

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs236...._3985887_n.jpg

Compared to the truck ramp the Port authority is proposing:

http://www.portofsandiego.org/images..._July_2009.jpg

kpexpress Feb 11, 2010 8:38 AM

To my understanding the Coastal Commission was going to award permits tomorrow in Oceanside. No?

Derek Feb 11, 2010 3:15 PM

F*** the Coastal Commission.

bmfarley Feb 12, 2010 3:43 AM

You know... the NBC site looks like it could be a decent location for High Speed Rail to terminal... I am thinking of an alignment approaching as a tunnel underneath Pacific Highway and terminating underground at NBC... the development could still occur above... with some modifications. See teh SF Transbay Terminal for a similar design.

Assuming the Navy would still be okay with this idea... big assumption too.

kpexpress Feb 12, 2010 8:34 AM

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=11971756

read the comments. reading these makes me so depressed. are people really this stupid and closed minded?

Fusey Feb 12, 2010 8:46 AM

^ Newspaper and local news forums always have the worst trolls. I thought they'd be a problem yesterday at a rail discussion here in Honolulu, but hardly any of them showed up.

kpexpress Feb 12, 2010 8:50 AM

http://voiceofsandiego.org/opinion/a...cc4c002e0.html

Derek Feb 12, 2010 4:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kpexpress (Post 4695788)



He must be a Raiders fan.

Derek Feb 12, 2010 4:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kpexpress (Post 4695776)
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=11971756

read the comments. reading these makes me so depressed. are people really this stupid and closed minded?



Yes, people really are that stupid.


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