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Either way, one thing can definitely be said about this project - it is perhaps the first tall building in or near downtown to be fast tracked like this at current. I am guessing they feel something big developments are coming and they want in on being the first to provide high end office space, other than the new Frost Tower. I have said it many times before and I will say it again here: We should hear about something major coming to downtown SA by year end. If we don't, then this building boom will be short lived and all we can do is hope for another building boom in the near future. I'm not in the business, but forecasting and analyzing are all about the same. I am just hoping for something in the W. Pecan St. and N. Flores St. area - traffic isn't too bad, nearby parks and retail are developing for future workers, and revitalized streets and sidewalks are currently or soon to be in the works. Too bad that hotel in front of Weston Centre pulled out, that would have helped jump start the area. |
The modifications to the building are subtle, but do add dimension to the structure. The vertical enhancements on the upper floors of the building are reminiscent of the new Silverline center in Tysons Corner, VA. This building is beautifully lit at night and adds interest to the suburban landscape.
http://www.silverlinecenter.com/gallery.html |
The updated design elements move the building into the realm of being not embarrassing, but it's still nothing to get excited about. The top could use some tapering... that would help polish the turd a little more.
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And that's something you do NOT see on the outskirts of Houston.:slob: |
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@JACKinBT, embarrassing really?! I really like reading your posts, don't always agree, but hey! we all have our own opinions, that being said, do you really think it's that bad?!
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I really like what Pelli Clarke (the same architect doing the Frost here in SA) did with McKinney and Olive in Dallas:
http://pcparch.com/project/mckinney-olive It's got a larger footprint to work with, but it's basically the same height (20 floors) as this project, and is a stunner. There's also a really lovely green space streetside that interacts well with the parking garage: https://i.imgur.com/Zx3DQGM.jpg |
☝️that's cool
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I said it's not embarrassing. And yeah, that one in Dallas is cool. :cheers: |
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Why did they have to get it in by the next HDRC? Why not wait a month? Or two months? Or however long it takes to get this right? |
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A lot of the people on the forum like the development design.
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So much better than the original. It's still a pretty blah office building but still handsome and will add nicely to that area. I'm glad they added extra interest in the glass box volume, with the vertical elements and breaking up of the windows. I can see the vertical pieces lit at night to create something quite beautiful.
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They’ve invested millions into this already and have a timeline for it. They needed to get the design approved by HDRC so they did as they were asked and resubmitted. There’s a very long process they have to follow and this is one of the steps. |
I realize that there are several people here who like the design of this building. I respect your opinion 100%. I'll say what I said before in different words: the re-design of this building makes it something that will be a strong addition to the neighborhood. I would prefer it have a more interesting design, but all the elements are there to make it something nice to be in and walk by: ground level retail and street interaction, a nice interior I'm sure, and probably some high quality glass. That's all good. But wouldn't it be nice to have something to somehow complement Frost on an equal level?
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Considering it's literally up against a freeway intersection maybe the blunt instrument approach is more fitting compared to something refined and elegant. More like a buffer building. Yeah, I like that.
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HDRC Greenlights Major Hotel-Office Tower on Lower Broadway
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I just saw the post and this is great news. All these projects has got me excited about watching the changing skyline.
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This is great news
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Here is an overview of where 1603 Broadway is in relation to all the property Grey Street Partners owns on Broadway as well as off Broadway in the Government Hill district.
Grey Street has big plans for the Government Hill land. The yellow outline is the Silver Venture lower Broadway office development that will soon be the new HQ for Credit Human. |
I feel as though this is the beginnings of a second skyline here, no? Obviously not the same size as say the Galleria in Houston, but akin to that. Pretty cool.
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This should be part of the basic urban core skyline. Especially if they start building up on Broadway, I would think that whatever they do here will be an extension of the downtown skyline, not separate from it. |
I do hope that GreyStreet saves some of the historic architecture along Broadway across the street from this particular tower or at the very least integrates and rehabs the current facades.
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Or West Campus in Austin, but with the private sector being a larger driver. After all, SAC, Trinity, and Incarnate Word were early drivers of some of the denser multi-family residential outside of the Pearl proper (but within the vicinity).
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Dang, I knew those guys owned a lot of land in Midtown, but that's even more than I thought! Thanks for the maps. very exciting.
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Another article with more renderings:
https://www.virtualbx.com/constructi...-office-tower/ |
https://sanantonio.legistar.com/Legi...|Text|&Search=
Site plan with the stacking plan, plus the renderings we've already seen. |
“San Antonio has had a decades-long history of building mediocre, mid-rise office buildings with a mediocre, mid-rise hotel next to it,” Neff said, noting that this will instead be a building that is “going to be admired by its neighbors.”
https://therivardreport.com/board-to...wer-go-for-it/ |
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Looks like Neff Sho 'Nuff it the nail on the head. :tup: |
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Finally, someone speaking out! This is a major BREAKTHROUGH!!!:cheers: This building will look AWESOME!:cheers: |
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The design for me right now is so so. It just looks like generic modern architecture. I'm actually not a fan of modern architecture because its simplicity sometimes can make it a bit boring. San Antonio has better buildings outside of downtown than this design that are 3 decades old. You guys seriously have some of the best postmodern non-downtown buildings in the state. Suburban office buildings sometimes can be boring, but San Antonio seriously has some really nice postmodern office buildings.
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I did a Google search of "I-10 Houston suburban office buildings". This fits right in.
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C....0.fuDFNE1cKqU |
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FYI almost all of the I-10 buildings have separate garages behind them and this one will not. |
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Is the opinion that it will fit in on I10 in Houston a complement or put down? I don't understand why we are talking about I10 in Houston.
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Put down. But it would complement what is already there.
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That said, I like this building for the spot it is being built. I like the moden style because I like the overall project. (Not because I want modern) |
For sure Rynetwo. Made that drive a handful of times myself, & your spot on. That's why I was kinda perplexed by the comment.
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I appreciate that drive into Houston too. It's the first real feel of tallish buildings in a very tall city. But the architecture is lacking when compared to others, in my opinion. That's how I feel about this building too. Am I happy it's going up? Yes. Is it as good as Frost or the Tower Life? Not by a long shot.
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I think the comment is more an observation of that style of architecture being redundant since it's been done in so many cities. Admittedly, there are some buildings like that in Austin that I cringe about since they're not original, for example, glass box X 20 = meh.
I think the building will look ok. I'm sure the facade will be nice. My main gripe is the flat roof. That's really the thing that bugs me about modern architecture. It's building tops that make them stand out. |
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^Well, ok then. :haha: I mean, there are buildings in Downtown Austin that I don't think are worthy of their location because of their design, and I wish I could exile them to more suburban locales outside of downtown where they'd be more impressive. Their height would at least be something in those areas but in downtown, their design just doesn't cut it.
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