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Onward Apr 16, 2007 3:40 AM

SAN ANTONIO | Urban Core Development Thread
 
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elmariachi Apr 16, 2007 4:50 AM

The Vistana sure is going to stand out in that spot. I can't can't wait until its done. I bet it is easily going to reach 200 feet. Hopefully more. 14 stories plus the "crown".

On a side note, i really like the way the Drury looks now, with the lighted stick on top. Too bad I can't stand the Drury sign itself.

Great pics by the way. Thanks for sharing them.

Complex01 Apr 16, 2007 4:53 AM

You know any day, we should see a crane at the Vistana site. I am waiting for it...


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KevinFromTexas Apr 16, 2007 4:57 AM

Great job on those pics, Texan101. Thanks!

JACKinBeantown Apr 16, 2007 5:15 AM

Nice pics. You know, the Riverwalk is a great place for people, but SA seems to be making the mistake of not really having much street level retail and other people-friendly things at the street level of its newer buildings. That could come back to haunt the city. Otherwise it's a really nice downtown.

TXLove Apr 16, 2007 10:42 AM

very nice photos

Mopacs Apr 16, 2007 1:15 PM

Thanks for the updated shots of the Hyatt! Its coming along nicely, and starting to make an impact on the skyline.

sakyle04 Apr 16, 2007 1:52 PM

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Nice pics. You know, the Riverwalk is a great place for people, but SA seems to be making the mistake of not really having much street level retail and other people-friendly things at the street level of its newer buildings. That could come back to haunt the city. Otherwise it's a really nice downtown.
The tipping point, we believe, will come with more residents. That said, there has been noticeable growth in this area in the last few years...

sarocks14 Apr 16, 2007 3:51 PM

Great pics. I'm interested in seeing Main Plaza completed...got a year to go though haha

sirkingwilliam Apr 16, 2007 3:56 PM

Who are the tenants for those two (brown) buildings?

sarocks14 Apr 16, 2007 4:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sirkingwilliam (Post 2771254)
Who are the tenants for those two (brown) buildings?

Isn't it the City?

sakyle04 Apr 16, 2007 4:52 PM

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Who are the tenants for those two (brown) buildings?
The near one is some sort of water treatment facility and the far building is the former SAWS headquarters...

So, yes, in a roundabout way - they are city buildings. Hopefully, one day, they will be bulldozed to make way something new and interesting.

Boris Apr 16, 2007 8:22 PM

Cool shots. The DT Hyatt's comming along nicely.

Looks like you got up on some parking garages for your shots. :notacrook:

sirkingwilliam Apr 17, 2007 2:31 AM

Why not tear down both buildings and expand the convention center on that land with a walk way over Market St. connecting the two buildings.

JACKinBeantown Apr 17, 2007 2:50 AM

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Originally Posted by sakyle04 (Post 2771384)
The near one is some sort of water treatment facility and the far building is the former SAWS headquarters...

So, yes, in a roundabout way - they are city buildings. Hopefully, one day, they will be bulldozed to make way something new and interesting.

Like a city park. That would make for some nice green space. It would also use up a good chunk of land for something other than a building, thus forcing the rest of the land in the area to be at a higher premium and therefore more fertile ground for even taller buildings.

Onward Apr 17, 2007 4:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Boris (Post 2771861)
Cool shots. The DT Hyatt's comming along nicely.

Looks like you got up on some parking garages for your shots. :notacrook:

Yep, Even went to the top of the Marriot hoping for some shots. But couldn't find any public windows facing the new Hyatt. Now those would have been some good shots!

ryan5021 Apr 17, 2007 10:03 PM

FYI, there is now a crane at the Marriott Courtyard site.

sakyle04 Apr 17, 2007 11:18 PM

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FYI, there is now a crane at the Marriott Courtyard site.
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Complex01 Apr 18, 2007 12:52 AM

HA, if that is not an Early Fiesta treat i dont know what is...

Oh wait i do....
  • A nice glass of cold beer
  • Crawford getting Suspended

I want to see a picture of the crane...


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starvinggryphon Apr 18, 2007 4:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Complex01 (Post 2774607)
[*]Crawford getting Suspended

TRUE THAT!!! Saw the crane today being assembled. Can't Wait! Also, the carnival opens today and there is a lovely feeling downtown like everybody's waiting for sunset to start drinking and get this Fiesta started. There were a gang of margarita stands setting up in Market Square and everybody from UTSA was just watching from afar just waiting helplessly. :slob:

KevinFromTexas Apr 19, 2007 2:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ryan5021 (Post 2774266)
FYI, there is now a crane at the Marriott Courtyard site.

Sweet! Can anyone tell me if The Vistana has started construction yet? I saw one of Texan101's pics of it, showing the site, but is the asphalt gone at the site? Have they begun digging yet?

And I'm wondering if we should start a San Antonio Update thread in this section of the forum like the one for Austin. Perhaps this thread can be it? Whaddya think?

You guys could come on and report construction progress with a single post like "such and such building is up to 41st floor" ;), instead of creating a thread about it or mentioning it in another thread which may not be directly an update kind of thread. It would keep people more up to date on what's going on in San Antonio. I've sort of missed some of it myself because of that.

sirkingwilliam Apr 19, 2007 4:51 AM

I think this would be a perfect thread for a "San Antonio Update" stickered at the top. I'm hoping to get my camera fixed so I can venture out and snap the city.

KevinFromTexas Apr 19, 2007 5:04 AM

Alright, I've made it a sticky topic and changed the title to San Antonio Update.

sirkingwilliam Apr 19, 2007 5:24 AM

Good stuff!

Can there also be updates on suburban developments or is it strictly downtown projects?

KevinFromTexas Apr 19, 2007 6:17 AM

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Originally Posted by sirkingwilliam (Post 2778062)
Good stuff!

Can there also be updates on suburban developments or is it strictly downtown projects?

Whatever you like, but stay on topic of development related stuff. This includes highrises, lowrises, retail, transportation, (roads, rails, and airport), and sports stadiums, but keep the "sports talk" out of this thread. Anything that doesn't pertain to San Antonio's development, even population figures or anything else should be posted in its own seperate thread. This thread should be about updated news and facts about ongoing construction projects, and construction images and announcements of new projects. You can still make a post about a new project in its own thread if you like, as well as here and in the city compilation thread. This thread should stay on topic of construction news so as to keep people posted of what's going on.

You can check the Austin Update thread to see what should be posted here.

greenbelt Apr 19, 2007 12:22 PM

Nice picks, we love San Antonio!

sirkingwilliam Apr 19, 2007 3:26 PM

I'm not trying to start anything by asking this, but why was the position changed? The SA Update thread was stickered at the top now it is not.

sakyle04 Apr 19, 2007 3:39 PM

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I'm not trying to start anything by asking this, but why was the position changed? The SA Update thread was stickered at the top now it is not.
It is arranged geographically.

If Houston gets a Sticky thread it will be anchored to the right side of the page and the same would be true for El Paso and the left side of the page. :yes:

KevinFromTexas Apr 19, 2007 4:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sirkingwilliam (Post 2778743)
I'm not trying to start anything by asking this, but why was the position changed? The SA Update thread was stickered at the top now it is not.

The topics will move above each other as they get replied to. So if the Austin Update is below the San Antonio one and someone replies to it, it'll move to the top, and if the San Antonio Update is below the Austin one and someone replies to it, it'll be on top afterwards. It's just how the forum program works. Try it and see.

starvinggryphon Apr 19, 2007 5:02 PM

Hey Kevin, the Vistana is certainly under construction now. The asphalt was removed long ago and forgive my layman's terms but cavities have been drilled, the rebar tubes have been inserted and the concrete is being poured as we speak. Also an awesome new rendering was erected on the corner of Commerce and Santa Rosa.

KevinFromTexas Apr 19, 2007 6:24 PM

^ Thanks!

sirkingwilliam Apr 19, 2007 6:27 PM

Thanks!

starvinggryphon Apr 19, 2007 7:58 PM

Has anyone visited the Vidorra site lately?

elmariachi Apr 19, 2007 9:02 PM

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Originally Posted by starvinggryphon (Post 2779657)
Has anyone visited the Vidorra site lately?

I passed by a couple days ago but there still isn't much going on. They have started digging a little though.

kornbread Apr 20, 2007 5:28 PM

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Originally Posted by elmariachi (Post 2779822)
I passed by a couple days ago but there still isn't much going on. They have started digging a little though.

Maybe they're going to plant some tomatoes:shrug:

sakyle04 Apr 22, 2007 1:51 AM

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Maybe they're going to plant some tomatoes
Ha.

I never would have guessed that there would be a 20-story condo East of 37, so I think that's why I have so much patience...but could this process take any longer?

Maybe we are just used to seeing hotels fly up (recently Hyatt and soon Courtyard on St Marys) and we don't understand the delays of financing and then building 20 stories of individually sold "homes".

sirkingwilliam Apr 22, 2007 2:19 AM

Maybe the long wait has to do with whatever they're having to dig into? My own theory, lol.

kornbread Apr 23, 2007 3:21 AM

For them to supposedly break ground in December and there not be any kind of activity at the site for 4 months, it sure seems like the groundbreaking was for appearances only. For all we know, they may still be trying to reach 60% (going on one year since they started selling the units).

We were in town this past weekend and the Broadway is all boarded up in a way that seems like they are trying to hide THEIR lack of activity.

I think there is demand for downtown condos, but I'm not so sure people are buying into high-rise living. I mean, if the market was really hot we should have already started to see something rise.

It could be that best thing going on downtown are the apartment projects. These could give people a try before you buy feel for downtown and kickstart some development in about 5 years.

sirkingwilliam Apr 23, 2007 5:21 AM

I believe they've already sold the 60% percent.

sakyle04 Apr 23, 2007 2:25 PM

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For them to supposedly break ground in December and there not be any kind of activity at the site for 4 months, it sure seems like the groundbreaking was for appearances only. For all we know, they may still be trying to reach 60% (going on one year since they started selling the units).

We were in town this past weekend and the Broadway is all boarded up in a way that seems like they are trying to hide THEIR lack of activity.
I agree with this theory...

If the place was sold out (or even sold to a level that was profitable for the developer) that tower would rise so fast our necks would snap.

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I believe they've already sold the 60% percent.
And they may have sold 60%, but it may be that the number of profitability is 75% and that's the number that they're really waiting on before they sink 10s of millions into a building.

texboy Apr 23, 2007 5:46 PM

My theory is that Vidorra is right now situated in a part of the city that is very detached...Yes there is Sunset station, but to be honest there isn't a WHOLE lot of nightlife/energy/convenience to that part of town, coupled with the fact that the east side is just not very pretty....yes I think Vidorra will be a nice addition to our skyline, but it will take some time before the east side of 37 is going to be an attractive place to live IMHO. Lets take the Vistana...that was just announced like what a year to maybe a year and a half ago...and they are already doing construction on it! Vistana is in an up and coming part of downtown. Its in an area close to UTSA downtown, Houston Street, walking distance to the financial district and the riverwalk .... its in a great location!

sakyle04 Apr 23, 2007 6:07 PM

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My theory is that Vidorra is right now situated in a part of the city that is very detached...Yes there is Sunset station, but to be honest there isn't a WHOLE lot of nightlife/energy/convenience to that part of town, coupled with the fact that the east side is just not very pretty....yes I think Vidorra will be a nice addition to our skyline, but it will take some time before the east side of 37 is going to be an attractive place to live IMHO. Lets take the Vistana...that was just announced like what a year to maybe a year and a half ago...and they are already doing construction on it! Vistana is in an up and coming part of downtown. Its in an area close to UTSA downtown, Houston Street, walking distance to the financial district and the riverwalk .... its in a great location!
I agree to a large part....

BUT I think it is important to note that the economics of making an apartment building work (or a hotel for that matter) versus the economics that drive a condo building are VERY different.

Apartments build and then lease, hotels do much the same - therefore they can go up faster, since the sooner they open the sooner they make money.

Condos have to sell first. Money is made when enough units have sold. Build too quickly and the project will bleed money...

sirkingwilliam Apr 23, 2007 6:35 PM

The Vistana was announced 8 months ago in August of 2006. However that is a apartment building, Vidorra is a condo highrise. Two different breeds of animal.

sirkingwilliam Apr 23, 2007 6:36 PM

Isn't downtown ideal for apartment living? Why aren't there more apartment highrise projects planned?

SAguy Apr 23, 2007 9:19 PM

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sirkingwilliam-Isn't downtown ideal for apartment living? Why aren't there more apartment highrise projects planned?
Look for the River North/Museum District to explode with new apartments and condos within in the next few years. In fact, KSAT 12 recently reported a new hotel/condo was in the works for a vacant lot in this district. I didn't catch the location but it appears to be near Pearl Brewery.

sirkingwilliam Apr 24, 2007 12:53 AM

Just got back from downtown, dropped off some friends who wanted to watch the parade, and drove by the Vidorra site. The entire site has been cleared, so much has progressed at Vidorra so that's looking good. Also, never noticed that the building at the northwest corner of Houston St. and Alamo Plaza was being turned into a Hotel Indigo. Cool.

Finally, does anyone know what the 6-story building at Hackberry Ave. and Nolan St. across from Dignowity Park is going to be? It look renovated and very nice. Actually, there's a small pocket in that area that seems to be on track to becoming a quasi King William like neighborhood, with the homes and streets having that feel, I saw atleast half a dozen homes under renovation, really nice homes next to homes that either have just been renovated or were renovated within the past few years. So that area is shaping up nicely.

sirkingwilliam Apr 24, 2007 3:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SAguy (Post 2788670)
Look for the River North/Museum District to explode with new apartments and condos within in the next few years. In fact, KSAT 12 recently reported a new hotel/condo was in the works for a vacant lot in this district. I didn't catch the location but it appears to be near Pearl Brewery.

Any new information on this one? By the way, when by the Hotel Indigo building and construction was still going on.

21bl0wed Apr 24, 2007 7:49 AM

estimated 250,000 at the river parade tonight...I was dissapointed with the floats though.


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