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jaga185 Jan 17, 2018 3:58 PM

SAN ANTONIO | 1603 Broadway | 20 Floors | 255 Feet | Proposed
 
https://media.bizj.us/view/img/10759...3-broadway.jpg

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Broadway Street corridor makeover to get big boost from marquee projects

The transformation of the Broadway Street corridor is expected to get a major infusion of new capital investment, including a landmark development that backers believe will better connect San Antonio’s midtown and downtown.

That marquee project, 1603 Broadway, is a planned multistory, mixed-use structure earmarked for a site next to Newell Avenue. GrayStreet Partners is developing the project, said Larry Mendez, executive managing director for Transwestern, which will market the space.

Details of the project are somewhat limited as it’s still in the early stages of development. It’s not clear, for example, what the building's price tag will be. Mendez did say the building would span nearly 150,000 square feet.

“It’s going to continue the momentum we’ve seen around Pearl,” he said. “This is all part of the wave. It’s the next step.”

The mixed-use project will complement other dynamic changes occurring in the area, bringing more workers, consumers and potential residents to Broadway Street. It could also benefit several midtown stakeholders — including The Witte Museum, The DoSeum and San Antonio Zoo — that are working to create a cultural corridor along the key north-south street.

Mendez said the plan is for GrayStreet Partners to break ground on the 1603 Broadway project this spring with completion targeted for 2020.

Meanwhile, nearby, work has begun on redeveloping a pair of buildings further south on Broadway that once housed the San Antonio Light newspaper. GrayStreet Partners, which is overseeing the project, has enlisted Transwestern to market that space also.

Once the Light project is completed, Broadway will get an additional 100,000 square feet of new commercial space. Ford, Powell & Carson, a locally based architectural design firm, will help anchor the larger of the two buildings, Mendez said.

“They will be the first tenant in,” he said. “They will occupy the first floor.”

All of this is happening as the city and state prepare to collectively allocate tens of millions of dollars in public funds to improve infrastructure along Broadway.

Asked what the two GrayStreet Partners projects will do for Broadway, Mendez said, “This will be an incredible energizer. This will all link the central business district with the Pearl area.”

JACKinBeantown Jan 18, 2018 3:26 AM

Awesome (only if it has ground level retail).

micahinsa Jan 18, 2018 9:23 AM

Yes, yes, yes! So this will be on the south side of Pearl Parkway, with the other new office tower on the north side of it.

I found some other renderings, posted on the Gensler website here:

https://www.gensler.com/projects/bro...ewell?o=austin

In the first two photos you can see the rendering of the office building on the north side of Pearl Parkway as well:

https://i.imgur.com/yBBCuWS.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/bb7UAO3.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/VRcv4E8.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/6zpoE63.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/eNWUET9.jpg

JACKinBeantown Jan 18, 2018 1:43 PM

It's got a Hello Burger! The hipsters in the lobby will love eating there.

Wait. What about Earl Abel's?

jaga185 Jan 18, 2018 3:24 PM

Looks like Earl Abel's is going to have to move... again...

But yes! I couldn't find the other renderings or was designing it. Thanks, micahinsa! Between this and the 10 story office building, this is going to be a very busy intersection. The article said this is the next step. So that means they are going to start moving east towards the new property they bought. Ahhh!

Sigaven Jan 18, 2018 3:40 PM

Nice project!

Keep-SA-Lame Jan 18, 2018 4:58 PM

Dang, I really liked the new Earl Abel's location.

Also this is amazing.

AwesomeSAView Jan 18, 2018 6:08 PM

Just love THIS development on Broadway!!:cheers:

texboy Jan 18, 2018 6:11 PM

This area is on fire right now, SA is on fire. Love this development.

deeger Jan 18, 2018 6:44 PM

They also toss in a building of similar size across Broadway in two of the renderings. GrayStreet have something else in the works or just for effect? They own a lot of the property there.

Spoiler Jan 18, 2018 8:03 PM

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Originally Posted by deeger (Post 8051743)
They also toss in a building of similar size across Broadway in two of the renderings. GrayStreet have something else in the works or just for effect? They own a lot of the property there.

Graystreet definitely has something else in the works. They own almost everything for blocks to the east. For example, I remember reading that they intend to extend Pearl Parkway across Broadway and Alamo and into the heart of the former SAISD property.

PDD Jan 18, 2018 8:07 PM

In reference to the first 2 photos, what about the building across from 1603 Broadway? Is the used car place being torn down or did they take artistic liberties with the renderings?

jaga185 Jan 18, 2018 8:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PDD (Post 8051899)
In reference to the first 2 photos, what about the building across from 1603 Broadway? Is the used car place being torn down or did they take artistic liberties with the renderings?

Right now i'm sure it's the latter. The C&R motors is still there.

JACKinBeantown Jan 19, 2018 1:03 AM

Google Maps got a good shot of the location.

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.4398...7i13312!8i6656

Hopefully the Pig Stand won't be forced out. It should have historical society protection anyway.

sirkingwilliam Jan 19, 2018 2:06 AM

If I had to guess, Gensler did the entire master plan for GS’s lower Broadway development that will extend Into Government Hill.

micahinsa Jan 19, 2018 8:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jaga185 (Post 8051177)
Looks like Earl Abel's is going to have to move... again...

Can't quite tell from the renderings, but could it be that this development will somehow incorporate the Earl Abel's building? Sort of swallow it up, kind of like the Canopy is doing with the Esquire?

Anyway, I'm really excited about this. If I had one small gripe it would be that all of this development along and up Broadway is already bordering on a nice-ish area, Alamo Heights etc, so I'm sure something would've been built here eventually anyway. I would like to see them do some development in some other areas where nothing is happening. For example, on the west side of the Pearl, literally once you cross the river on Grayson heading west, it goes downhill really quickly. Would be nice if they could branch out in that direction as well.

Spoiler Jan 19, 2018 8:54 AM

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Originally Posted by micahinsa (Post 8052737)
Can't quite tell from the renderings, but could it be that this development will somehow incorporate the Earl Abel's building? Sort of swallow it up, kind of like the Canopy is doing with the Esquire?

Anyway, I'm really excited about this. If I had one small gripe it would be that all of this development along and up Broadway is already bordering on a nice-ish area, Alamo Heights etc, so I'm sure something would've been built here eventually anyway. I would like to see them do some development in some other areas where nothing is happening. For example, on the west side of the Pearl, literally once you cross the river on Grayson heading west, it goes downhill really quickly. Would be nice if they could branch out in that direction as well.

Development happens where property is available to develop, preferably in large chunks. That being said, the several acres of Flasher Equipment property, in the exact area you refer to, was sold last year to a residential developer. So you can look forward to that.

And no, the Earl Abel's building is going bye bye :hi:

JACKinBeantown Jan 19, 2018 1:25 PM

Maybe Earl Abel's is changing their name to Hello Burger.

Sigaven Jan 19, 2018 4:55 PM

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Originally Posted by micahinsa (Post 8052737)
Can't quite tell from the renderings, but could it be that this development will somehow incorporate the Earl Abel's building? Sort of swallow it up, kind of like the Canopy is doing with the Esquire?

I was wondering the same thing. Looking at the rendering it seems like they might be doing that - it appears they might be saving the facade of the earl abel's building and incorporating it into the new building, you can see a one story section of red brick with blue-green glass on the northeast corner of the building. It'll be great if they do so, the facade has some beautiful ornamentation and historic charm that would be a shame to entirely demolish.

Edit: on closer inspection it looks like they are preserving the entire building and adding a second story to it.

micahinsa Jan 23, 2018 1:39 AM

I was in the area the other morning and snapped some pics for posterity. What a dreadful space this is right now; this building is going to absolutely transform this intersection.

I may or may not have stood in the middle of Broadway whilst taking some of these photos.


https://i.imgur.com/88KiYCB.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/tMomOqE.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/jKTtY9a.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/EKjHyxc.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/TqMN4vc.jpg

JACKinBeantown Jan 23, 2018 5:45 PM

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Originally Posted by micahinsa (Post 8056818)
I was in the area the other morning and snapped some pics for posterity. What a dreadful space this is right now; this building is going to absolutely transform this intersection.

I may or may not have stood in the middle of Broadway whilst taking some of these photos.


https://i.imgur.com/88KiYCB.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/tMomOqE.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/jKTtY9a.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/EKjHyxc.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/TqMN4vc.jpg


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jaga185 Jan 23, 2018 7:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JACKinBeantown (Post 8057560)
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For real, those two projects are going to transform Broadway completely. I feel like it wont even look like SA. Let alone when the other side starts picking up steam.

maxus Jan 27, 2018 6:09 AM

http://flic.kr/p/22JUBaW

micahinsa Jan 29, 2018 5:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Keep-SA-Lame (Post 8051452)
Dang, I really liked the new Earl Abel's location.

Also this is amazing.

Rivard Report put out an article on the new Earl Abel’s location:

https://therivardreport.com/earl-abe...k-on-broadway/

I didn’t see anything in the article about this new building. In fact it mentioned several times how significant the new location and move have been for Earl Abel’s, so I can’t imagine they’ll be up and moving AGAIN. Presumably this 1603 Broadway is going to incorporate it somehow or maybe just work around it.

Tornado Jan 29, 2018 3:10 PM

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Originally Posted by micahinsa (Post 8064729)
Rivard Report put out an article on the new Earl Abel’s location:

https://therivardreport.com/earl-abe...k-on-broadway/

I didn’t see anything in the article about this new building. In fact it mentioned several times how significant the new location and move have been for Earl Abel’s, so I can’t imagine they’ll be up and moving AGAIN. Presumably this 1603 Broadway is going to incorporate it somehow or maybe just work around it.

I drive by the new location every day on my way to the Pearl and it never looks crowded. Also, the parking is awful in that small retail strip.

Sigaven Jan 29, 2018 3:39 PM

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Originally Posted by micahinsa (Post 8064729)
Rivard Report put out an article on the new Earl Abel’s location:

https://therivardreport.com/earl-abe...k-on-broadway/

I didn’t see anything in the article about this new building. In fact it mentioned several times how significant the new location and move have been for Earl Abel’s, so I can’t imagine they’ll be up and moving AGAIN. Presumably this 1603 Broadway is going to incorporate it somehow or maybe just work around it.

as I mentioned earlier in this thread, if you look closely at the renderings it appears they preserve the entire building and add a second story.

Keep-SA-Lame Jan 30, 2018 5:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tornado (Post 8064970)
I drive by the new location every day on my way to the Pearl and it never looks crowded. Also, the parking is awful in that small retail strip.

Every table was full when I went a couple of Sundays ago. I think people just park in the big lot under 281 (or, you know, walk from the adjacent apartment buildings).

LakeCourtland Jan 31, 2018 3:13 PM

I was at the general meeting of the Tobin Hill Community Association last week, and the association's zoning representative presented this project to the attendees. He also had renderings, which were very different from these. I believe there was a parking garage on the west side of the building, on top of which the developers said they were building a boutique hotel that would be a total of 18 floors. The meeting attendees seemed fairly happy with the project, including its tall height. I wonder if these were earlier or later renderings?

jaga185 Jan 31, 2018 3:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LakeCourtland (Post 8067946)
I was at the general meeting of the Tobin Hill Community Association last week, and the association's zoning representative presented this project to the attendees. He also had renderings, which were very different from these. I believe there was a parking garage on the west side of the building, on top of which the developers said they were building a boutique hotel that would be a total of 18 floors. The meeting attendees seemed fairly happy with the project, including its tall height. I wonder if these were earlier or later renderings?

Oh wow. Hurry up and release those renderings!

SAtown Feb 1, 2018 8:03 PM

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Originally Posted by micahinsa (Post 8064729)
Rivard Report put out an article on the new Earl Abel’s location:

https://therivardreport.com/earl-abe...k-on-broadway/

I didn’t see anything in the article about this new building. In fact it mentioned several times how significant the new location and move have been for Earl Abel’s, so I can’t imagine they’ll be up and moving AGAIN. Presumably this 1603 Broadway is going to incorporate it somehow or maybe just work around it.

Graystreet doesn't own the building Earl Abel's leased, and there is also that small law firm building (Reynaldo Diaz Law) in between Earl Abel's site and Graystreet's property. Both of those existing buildings are probably historic, too, so I would guess these renderings are mainly for show?

Spoiler Mar 10, 2018 12:51 AM

In the preliminary HDRC agenda that came out today, Graystreet is asking permission to construct a 250' tower on this site.

SAguy Mar 10, 2018 3:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Spoiler (Post 8114684)
In the preliminary HDRC agenda that came out today, Graystreet is asking permission to construct a 250' tower on this site.

250' is 23 floors?

micahinsa Mar 10, 2018 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Spoiler (Post 8114684)
In the preliminary HDRC agenda that came out today, Graystreet is asking permission to construct a 250' tower on this site.

Whoa.

Is that kind of a jump normal? To go from a 7 floor conceptual rendering to 23 floors in the final draft to be put before the HDRC?

Hope it’s spectacular. Imagine the view coming into downtown from 281 and seeing this towering beside the highway...

JACKinBeantown Mar 10, 2018 3:25 PM

Great news. With such an increase in height comes an equal increase in the importance of good architecture. At seven stories I could accept the current design. At 23 stories... nuh-uh.

ryan5021 Mar 10, 2018 5:06 PM

Heard a rumor that it's gonna be a W hotel

Spoiler Mar 10, 2018 8:09 PM

What's really interesting is that Graystreet owns acres and acres of land right across Brodaway to develop, but they are still asking for that much height.

Spoiler Mar 10, 2018 8:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ryan5021 (Post 8115075)
Heard a rumor that it's gonna be a W hotel

If true, the design should be good.

micahinsa Mar 10, 2018 8:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Spoiler (Post 8115233)
What's really interesting is that Graystreet owns acres and acres of land right across Brodaway to develop, but they are still asking for that much height.

Meaning?

Can you explain for the planning-challenged amongst us? Is the idea that they wouldn’t ask for that much height if they were planning something smaller across the street?

Spoiler Mar 10, 2018 10:27 PM

No, just that they have lots of space for their plans, and tall stuff generally happens where space is limited.

UrbanTrance Mar 11, 2018 3:38 AM

Hope this is a good one. I'm actually surprised they are going higher in this area. No complaints from me.

JACKinBeantown Mar 11, 2018 2:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Spoiler (Post 8115345)
No, just that they have lots of space for their plans, and tall stuff generally happens where space is limited.

The location right next to the highway interchange means the view won't likely be impeded for a long time. So it's smart to take advantage of it regardless of how much property they own nearby. At the same time, if they build something smart it sets a positive track record for people wanting to be involved in any future developments on their other property.

micahinsa Mar 11, 2018 8:18 PM

When do they usually start putting renderings out for HDRC submissions? The next meeting is on the 21st, will we likely not see anything before then?

Spoiler Mar 11, 2018 10:42 PM

We likely won't see anything before then, and even at the HDRC meeting I'm guessing they will just show a rendering for massing, not design.

JACKinBeantown Mar 12, 2018 2:58 AM

The massing rendering will still be interesting to see.

ryan5021 Mar 16, 2018 11:54 PM

There are renderings on the HDRC agenda but i don't know how to upload.

jaga185 Mar 17, 2018 12:06 AM

It's a glass wall.... -_-

jaga185 Mar 17, 2018 12:10 AM

https://3snpdc2ba9m5uwuk62n8cs84-wpe...27.00-PM-1.png

https://therivardreport.com/wp-conte...2.26.23-PM.png

https://therivardreport.com/wp-conte...2.26.43-PM.png

Rynetwo Mar 17, 2018 12:16 AM

Very modern and at 260 feet I’d love for this to be built.

jaga185 Mar 17, 2018 12:21 AM

I kind want them to make it taller, like split the top part in half and put it on top of one another.
But I don't hate it. It's current.

Rynetwo Mar 17, 2018 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jaga185 (Post 8122919)
I kind want them to make it taller, like split the top part in half and put it on top of one another.

I can see that. I wonder if they would have said that would be taller than the area can handle?


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