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I don't know if this is the final design. If so, it's ok, but it will be nice to see an 82 story tower in JC.

http://handelarch.com/projects/type/...sidential.html

Journal Square
Jersey City
Journal Square is a new mixed-use high-rise development awarded through a design competition to Handel Architects and HWKN. The three tower project – the tallest at 82 stories - includes over 2,000 apartments, as well as office space and retail. A sweeping, tree-filled plaza will host farmer’s markets, evening film projections and public events along its low stairs that slope down to the PATH station. Wide, public walkways under each tower’s entrance encourage people to move easily from the plaza into the surrounding neighborhood


http://handelarch.com/images/project...l-square/1.jpg

Wow OMG is this serious? I always thought it was a shame that the Journal Square project never went anywhere.

If this is a serious proposal, which I hope it is, this is mind-numbingly fucking awesome. The whole New York area is an unstoppable force. It feels like we're close to rivaling the Tokyo megalopolis...with a better set of skylines ;)

If built this building can easily pass the 1,000 foot mark. It would be anywere between 1,100 to 1,200 feet high.

This project is absolutely fantastic, and hopefully comes to fruition... would make a very iconic addition to the JC skyline, and hopefully encourage similar developments in DoBro and LIC.

So if this happened, where would it be located in relation to the PATH station? Would they build above the tracks to the Northwest of the station (across JFK Blvd?) Or would they build to the East-Southeast of the PATH station?

It would be right next to the JSQ station?

The description says, "A sweeping, tree-filled plaza will host farmer’s markets, evening film projections and public events along its low stairs that slope down to the PATH station."

I wasn't sure whether that meant construction on the east side of JFK Blvd or the west side. If I had to guess, I'd assume the east side so that people don't actually have to cross JFK Blvd to get to the station entrance.

Going by this rendering, it's on the east side.

http://handelarch.com/images/project...l-square/2.jpg

Towers on the blue parcel, plaza on the green parcel.
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/9...jerseycity.png

That would really be something if this project comes to fruition!

Pleeease let this be real.

Supertalls for JC, Brooklyn, Queens, wow that would be so sweet, someday... someday...

Holy cheeses and crackers.

It would be instantly noticeable from the World Trade Center, and the World Financial Center from Manhattan if it is ever built. It is taller than anything else in Hoboken or Jersey City.

This would be further away from the main cluster of towers in the Exchange Place and Newport areas, but still an excellent addition.

If this is really going to be built, it will be another step into expanding high rises and skylines away from Manhattan. Greater New York is going to expand in these next few years.

This proposal is on a very high level of badass.

Ya see, there is one MAJOR problem to this. How in the hell are they going to fill 2,000 apartments in Jersey City? It's likely going to be lowered significantly if it is even approved. If I am wrong someone please correct me... then I will be excited for this.

The rental vacancy rate in the core counties of the metropolitan area are around 1%. There's a desperate shortage of rental apartments.

The area continues to be a desirable place to live and work. Whether that constitutes this kind of demand I cannot say, however I don't think the area has been built up by accident.

There has also been a proposal around this area as well for 2 buildings that would be around 600 feet tall. It would also be residential, but nothing happened as of yet. I am certain that Journal Square would someday be a high rise residential area. These 5 towers are just the beginning of what would someday be a massive skyline in Jersey City and Hoboken.

Is this related at all to that tall proposal from a few years back from that developer who was, well, quite elderly?

Yowzers. This is the first I've heard of it. There was a proposal for twin towers back around '06, the tallest being around 60 stories. There is a big hole in the middle of JSQ where they cleared some old buildings for it. Last I heard, the city was pressuring the developers to either build something or sell the site.

It would be pretty badass if this went through, although I remain skeptical for the time being. It's a very radical change for a neighborhood that, though brimming with potential, still has yet to see much development action.

2,000 apartments is nothing. There's way more than that coming. Downtown Jersey City was blowing up before the recession, and has a huge pipeline of residential hi-rises approved and ready to start. Journal Square is not currently a hot neighborhood, but it's only one stop further from the hot part of Jersey City, and is a serious transit hub. It's also a relatively inexpensive area. I could see these apartments moving pretty quickly.

Jersey City put up about a dozen+ very tall residential buildings in the last 8 years or so, and they're all pretty much filled up.

I wouldn't count on much more of a skyline from Hoboken. It's approaching build-out (it has only think of one big vacant lot downtown) and is NIMBY-central. Also, the one big hi-rise Hoboken does have, the W Hotel, is so hideous that it may have ruined Hoboken's taste for high-rises.

Do you mean this one?
http://blog.nj.com/ledgerupdates_imp...rge_render.jpg
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/200...eils_jour.html

I don't think so. They appear to be on different parcels.
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Old project site ............................................................... This project

Well you won't attract much residents if your house is near a funeral home. I think that would scare most people away.

Made a quick model-its BIG.

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5643/jsquare.jpg

From WTC:
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/8800/jswtc.jpg

Ahhh, so is that old unrelated proposal long dead or on the back back burner somewhere?

It's kinda far from the main skyline, still cool though :D

I go through that area pretty frequently, but I'll have to refresh my memory on the turn of events there. There was a specific reason why the older proposal never got built, and a lot would have to happen before this one could. Journal Square could and should support more office development though.

At the risk of sounding like a pessimist, this proposal seems pretty far fetched. :sly:

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. If anything arises out of this, it will not be a supertall, in fact I doubt it will even reach 800 feet. :yuck:

I've never heard of anything on this exact site, and I think it's a new proposal.

There's another major Journal Square site that's received tons of press (a two-towered development, the taller being 62 floors), but that's on an adjacent site.

Personally, I would like to read about which developer is involved with the project. I looked at the webpage on the architect's site and it's more or less marketing material.

Somehow this would look much better on the waterfront rather than so far away from Jersey City's main cluster.

I think we can all agree on that, it is a bit far away :shrug:

This is located in Journal Square, which is Jersey City's main transit hub.

They're trying to shift highrise development more towards Journal Square, and just rezoned the neighborhood to allow towers.

I don't see developers moving to Journal Square though until the waterfront is mostly filled up. There's still PLENTY of surface lots near the waterfront open for development.

There is lots of room for skyscrapers in Hoboken especially around Hoboken Terminal and the Lincoln Tunnel areas. I would like to see World Financial Center and World Trade Center like development around here.

Honestly i cant see office pace being built out in JC anytime in the near future. With the flood of new space going up in Manhattan particularly at the Hudson yards which is offering great rates i cant see why corporations would want to be anywhere else.

Hoboken has a height limit and so does Neighboring Weehawken which is where the Lincoln Tunnel is located....

True Hoboken residents want to keep the city small. The Lincoln Tunnel area is not very accessible. There's usually a massive traffic backup in the mornings and evenings. The path train only goes into Hoboken about 20 blocks to the south. They have a light rail you can connect to but it's not big and doesn't run enough yet.

The LRT runs every 5-15 mins and its decently sized system , and its being expanded.... There already building up the rest of the Weehawken Waterfront will low rise structures....should be finished in 2015....

Journal Square is a rail and bus hub for commuters, and can handle more office development than it has. However, the JC waterfront was developed as an alternative to lower Manhattan. Before that, there was not much in that area, and Journal Square was the more traditional urban center.

Back to the old failed proposal, looks as though the city wants to get something going...

http://www.nj.com/jjournal-news/inde...t_wants_d.html
Jersey City signals it wants developer of massive Journal Square project to act, or face default

http://media.nj.com/jjournal-news/ph...8408-large.jpg


March 10, 2012
By Terrence T. McDonald


http://thejcra.org/jcra_files/Image/..._Rendering.jpg
http://www.thejcra.org/index.php?p=p...details&pid=17


This will probably come back to life under a new developer.

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http://www.globest.com/news/12_310/n...t/-319741.html
MEPT Faces April 1 Deadline for Journal Square Project

By Antoinette Martin
March 20, 2012


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While that project struggles I don't think the prospects are great for seeing something happen soon with this new 82-story development. But when the redevelopment plan kicks in, Journal Square will be transformed...

http://www.thejcra.org/jcra_files/Fi...pment_Plan.pdf

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Hoboken was the main terminus for NJ Transit trains (until the Midtown direct provided "direct" service into Penn Station). It's still a major hub, and there was a proposal a few years ago for a "Hudson Yards-like" development there as well. It could have been a major rival to development in Jersey City, though visibly there's no difference between the two cities from a waterfront point of view.


http://blog.nj.com/hobokennow_impact...en1_Page_4.jpg
http://www.nj.com/hobokennow/index.s...transit_r.html


Can Hoboken withstand a 75-story building?
NJ Transit proposes skyscrapers for $500M development at train tracks

By Tricia Tirella and Timothy J. Carroll
09/29/2008


Needless to say, this didn't go anywhere, for now.


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http://thehobokenjournal.blogspot.co...rce-press.html


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http://thehobokenjournal.blogspot.co...rce-press.html

Hobokeners and NJT employees were flat out against that proposal...so it was dropped. A new Proposal was drafted a few months ago and has the approval of most residents and employees.... The Jersey City side would be better served with Monsters that tall... That plan was also supported by a corrupt Mayor who is now out of office , he didn't care for Hoboken and would let just about anything get built. The New Mayor has come out with the Plan below...it has yet to get to NJT....but seeing how Hoboken has forced NJT hand in the past several times it shouldn't be hard. The Secaucus plan that NJT had proposal died aswell , there not really that good when it comes to real estate.... There plans are often out of place and met with a firestorm of opposition.

Hoboken Terminal Yard Redevelopment Plan Second plan

This plan seems much more realistic than the old proposal and both of the Jersey City supertall plans. I could actually see this moving forward and this is something I can get excited about.

Any development is good there, and I'm all about development around transit, especially rail terminals. Hoboken would have gotten the benefits if the original plans could have been built (how many towns that small could have boasted a corporate headquarters that large tower likely would have provided), but they want to linger in the shadow of Jersey City. I'm doubtful the 82-sotry proposal can get built, particularly with the original 2 tower proposal in limbo. The economy of the past few years hasn't helped many of these developments. But things are beginning to thaw all over New Jersey as projects come to life.

Wow, something like this would absolutely dominate the Journal Square skyline, though it would definitely be nice to see that area be much more of a hub, sort of a midtown to the waterfront downtown of Jersey City.

I am definitely gonna have to do some wandering on the Jersey side some when I get there in just over a month.

With the new and proposed development downtown, an increasing population in Hoboken and JC, not to mention some of the development going on in Newark, can the PATH handle the increase in ridership? Its already beyond packed during rush hour.

I am certain that things will work out. Especially since there are proposals to expand the PATH system, and the HBLR system it will work out. There has also been two other proposals that would help. The 7 line extension to New Jersey and the Gateway Project but it has to be seen which proposal would be picked.

I love the Handel Architects proposal. The connectivity between the towers at the base looks beautiful. I Think those terraces will be very popular.

That's an understatement. But slightly increased service will help some. What will help more is if that 7 extension to Secaucus gets built. It's currently just a study, but is being looked at as a cheaper and more practical way of getting more transit into the City from Jersey (over the canceled rail tunnel project).