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Urban Sky Nov 29, 2015 7:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo the Dog (Post 7249434)
http://sunnycv.com/steve/local/images3/1873hensley.jpg
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Have you guys seen this interesting old map before? The SD River delta used to empty at the SD Bay near present day SAN.

Good god those parcels are huge.

Leo the Dog Nov 30, 2015 3:45 AM

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Originally Posted by embora (Post 7250518)
I think that is fascinating. I read in Iris Engstrand's book "San Diego California's Cornerstone" that (prehistorically, I think) that there was a time when ocean levels were higher when Point Loma was an island. She said that the course of the San Diego River would alternate over time between draining into San Diego Bay and Mission Bay. Btw: For my money, that was a great book on the history of San Diego.

Thanks for the recommended reading!

HurricaneHugo Dec 1, 2015 4:42 AM

Beautiful shot of downtown from Harbor Island by Scott Murphy:

http://i.imgur.com/pYqBx6U.jpg?1

nezbn22 Dec 4, 2015 8:38 PM

Can't begin to express my frustration if 7th & Market gets shot down because Whole Foods isn't pro-labor.

http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/topic...arket-project/

dtell04 Dec 4, 2015 9:39 PM

http://i1027.photobucket.com/albums/...slguk4jwm.jpeg

They're moving along at park and c now.

eburress Dec 4, 2015 9:39 PM

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Originally Posted by nezbn22 (Post 7258307)
Can't begin to express my frustration if 7th & Market gets shot down because Whole Foods isn't pro-labor.

http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/topic...arket-project/

That sounds about right for our CAN'T DO city. If the NIMBYs (not to mention city or state policies) don't get you, the unions will.

mello Dec 5, 2015 3:02 AM

Why has this not been a problem in DT LA whom has built both a Ritz Carlton tower and a giant project with a whole foods?

SDCAL Dec 5, 2015 4:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mello (Post 7258777)
Why has this not been a problem in DT LA whom has built both a Ritz Carlton tower and a giant project with a whole foods?

You are asking the exact same question I had when I read the article. LA, and for that matter SF are more Union friendly than SD, but they get these projects with high-end big name corporate chains built. My guess is it's either because the projects like this in LA and SF aren't on city owned land (like 7th and Market is), or because LA and SF are top tier markets and these chains are willing to give more concessions to be there then they are in a second tier market like SD. I understand the city wants to keep downtown accessible to all and ensure good paying jobs come to downtown, but I think they need to look at the alternative. Keeping this a surface parking lot for another decade won't do squat to help anyone, and forcing the project to take on lower-end or less recognizable brands will not bring the overall economic benefit I think this project would. There needs to be compromise - and I think having the project agree to union construction and the low income requirement meets the needs even if the businesses won't have union jobs once they are open, so I hope they'll vote to approve it.

spoonman Dec 5, 2015 5:51 PM

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Originally Posted by nezbn22 (Post 7258307)
Can't begin to express my frustration if 7th & Market gets shot down because Whole Foods isn't pro-labor.

http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/topic...arket-project/

Sherri Lighter is the ULTIMATE NIMBY politician who backs virtually NIMBY everywhere no matter the logic. Todd Gloria is also against this project, but he at least has the redeeming value of being pro transit. Lighter is against everything all of the time. I believe she is termed out and a lame duck... can anyone confirm??

mello Dec 5, 2015 8:07 PM

I just read the whole article I don't think this will get shut down just more union bluster and posturing. This is too important of a project to let slip away and everyone knows it. Plus go to the whole foods in Hillcrest there are very smart with it people who have been working there for 5, 8, 10 years! Plus they have tons of people working there compared to a chain like Vons or Ralphs the store is always packed with employees. I understand Vons etc stock at night so you don't really see those people when you shop there. My point is Whole foods must be a pretty decent place to work and I'm sure Ritz Carlton will pay non maids/dishwashers decent wages as well.

SDCAL: I think the big issue here is that it is city owned land if this was private I don't think is would be a problem.

tyleraf Dec 5, 2015 9:49 PM

A quick read with a hopeful take on the EV. http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...-for-downtown/

The ATX Dec 5, 2015 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by HurricaneHugo (Post 7253481)
Beautiful shot of downtown from Harbor Island by Scott Murphy:

http://i.imgur.com/pYqBx6U.jpg?1

That photo is awesome! Views like that are why I'm a skyscraper nerd.

SDCAL Dec 5, 2015 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by spoonman (Post 7259137)
Sherri Lighter is the ULTIMATE NIMBY politician who backs virtually NIMBY everywhere no matter the logic. Todd Gloria is also against this project, but he at least has the redeeming value of being pro transit. Lighter is against everything all of the time. I believe she is termed out and a lame duck... can anyone confirm??

She should be out after 2016 according to ballotpedia. Elected in 2008 and there's a 2 term (8 year) limit

http://ballotpedia.org/Sherri_Lightner

mello Dec 6, 2015 8:32 PM

Good article on the EV and anti stadium take Tyler. The author left out his thoughts on a convention center annex and how the MTS Busyard could possible be moved if it weren't for an arena or stadium being built on it. How are private developers going to come in and pay for removal, clean up, and relocation would it be a public/private partnership. Gary London had an idea of making it a new Eastern CBD in essence with 3.2 million sq. feet of office space. Another article in UT in last 2 days talking about a coming tech boom to SD so we shall see.

nezbn22 Dec 7, 2015 5:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SDCAL (Post 7259057)
I understand the city wants to keep downtown accessible to all and ensure good paying jobs come to downtown, but I think they need to look at the alternative. Keeping this a surface parking lot for another decade won't do squat to help anyone, and forcing the project to take on lower-end or less recognizable brands will not bring the overall economic benefit I think this project would. There needs to be compromise - and I think having the project agree to union construction and the low income requirement meets the needs even if the businesses won't have union jobs once they are open, so I hope they'll vote to approve it.

Couldn't agree more. If this gets voted down, it'll be the biggest case of missing the forest for the trees I've ever seen.

nezbn22 Dec 9, 2015 4:54 AM

Port sounds motivated to get Seaport Village done:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...-seaport-plan/

nezbn22 Dec 9, 2015 4:57 AM

7th and Market moving forward, too:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...n-whole-foods/

a very long weekend Dec 9, 2015 5:39 AM

probably the wrong place to ask, but it looks like i'll be in san diego for christmas, can i ask you for architectural tour type recommendations? PM is fine, or a link to some SD-general forum perhaps? excited to finally spend some time down there (from SF).

Streamliner Dec 10, 2015 5:05 PM

Manchester Pacific Gateway wins final OK
San Diego Union-Tribune
Roger Showley
December 10, 2015

http://cdn.sandiegouniontrib.com/img...15c2d8bc4ecd52

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Manchester Pacific Gateway, the biggest, most expensive project in downtown San Diego history, received final city approval Wednesday.

The $1.3 billion, 3-million-square-foot project with office towers, hotels, a retail “paseo” and a museum would be built on 13.7 acres south of Broadway between Pacific Highway and Harbor Drive. Seven buildings and a 1.9-acre public park would replace the 1920s Navy Broadway Complex and include a new Navy regional headquarters at no cost to taxpayers.
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Director Murtaza Baxamusa, who cast the “no” vote, expressed frustration with the process and the outcome: “I do not think San Diego deserves to be put into this position where our bayfront is being sacrificed here by an old, outdated project. We deserve a broader, more open bayfront.”

Director Michael Jenkins admitted that he had donated to a legal fund to fight the project and decided to abstain from the vote.

“I was not happy with the way the project was proceeding at that time and I remain unhappy about the process,” he said.

But director Phil Rath said none of the procedural and historical objections justify opposition to the consistency finding.
Link to article

mello Dec 10, 2015 7:20 PM

Looks like San Diego's "Front Porch" is going to be pretty respectable in a few years with the new BOSA towers, Navy Broadway, and a revamped Sea Port Village wow things are looking up. If the port was smart they would get moving on the Navy Pier Park as well, I'm kind of surprised they aren't making Manchester do that as part of the deal to develope NBC.


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