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Derek Apr 3, 2007 4:07 AM

im sorry...but what does BK means again?

sandiegodweller Apr 3, 2007 4:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Sky (Post 2738891)
okay, well, i was talking about on a more "per capita" basis. you have to remember that LA is way bigger than SD, so SDs seemingly "little" growth when compared to LA is actually HUGE for the city.

I hate to be a bummer because it seems you like talking about LA, but i think LA talk belongs in the LA thread.

I don't have any interest in talking about LA. I was just responding with my OPINION that it is difficult to "manufacture" a street scene.

spoonman Apr 3, 2007 4:11 AM

I think there is a misconception that Pecto is what revitalized downtown. Obviously downtown started making a comeback after Horton Plaza was built, but downtown residential took off before Petco was ever approved. Yes it created synergy making things happen faster, but it was more like the third major catalyst.

sandiegodweller Apr 3, 2007 4:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Derek loves SD (Post 2738930)
im sorry...but what does BK means again?

bankruptcy

spoonman Apr 3, 2007 4:12 AM

We've got the whole gang here tonight...lol

sandiegodweller Apr 3, 2007 4:14 AM

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Originally Posted by spoonman (Post 2738945)
I think there is a misconception that Pecto is what revitalized downtown. Obviously downtown started making a comeback after Horton Plaza was built, but downtown residential took off before Petco was ever approved. Yes it created synergy making things happen faster, but it was more like the third major catalyst.

True. Little Italy, Marina, Gaslamp would probably have taken off by themselves. Petco is certainly responsible for everything east of 6th Avenue.

Derek Apr 3, 2007 4:16 AM

^and im damn proud:tup:

Urban Sky Apr 3, 2007 4:16 AM

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Originally Posted by spoonman (Post 2738954)
We've got the whole gang here tonight...lol

GANGS ALL HERE!

I think petco was a bigger player than people give it credit for. Maybe not as a "primary" for ALL of downtown, but especially for East Village.

spoonman Apr 3, 2007 4:18 AM

I absolutely agree with you about East Village

Derek Apr 3, 2007 4:18 AM

^i dont think people give Horton Plaza enough credit as the should...dweller is right about that revamping downtown...


(East Village is a different story...and i agree that Petco played a huge role there...we would never ever see the types of towers going up there right now had it not been for Petco Park)

Urban Sky Apr 3, 2007 4:20 AM

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Originally Posted by sandiegodweller (Post 2738912)
I heard from a good source (attorney) a few months ago that it may be headed for BK or foreclosure.

The reason that it is vital to the area is because it needs to be secure so it won't collapse into surrounding structures or the trolley tracks. It will need to be addressed before you build next to it.

i dont think any building will be going on next to the theater as it is surrounded by streets on all sides with the exception of 4th and B. While the building LOOKS really bad, I dont think its so close to collapse that anyone needs to worry about it. If the Theater remains as is, I don't think the revitalization project will stall at all.

While on the subject, I think that whole block could be used better. I think if anything, they should work with the owners of 4th and B and tear that ugly building down. They can just re-incorporate the club into whatever they decide to build there.

I know it was mentioned that the California Theater is historic and all, but I really can't think of any way to use the existing structure positively.

Derek Apr 3, 2007 4:22 AM

^a hotel i think is (or was) the plan for the theater...


(correct me if im wrong)

spoonman Apr 3, 2007 4:23 AM

There are a lot of things which played a part... the plunge that many new restaurants took, the convention center expansion & surrounding hotels, the trolley service area expansion, etc

It all goes back to the amenities...people followed them...Petco was just another amenity albeit a large one. Staples is the posterchild for how a sports park isn't enough by itself

Urban Sky Apr 3, 2007 4:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Derek loves SD (Post 2738981)
^i dont think people give Horton Plaza enough credit as the should...dweller is right about that revamping downtown...


(East Village is a different story...and i agree that Petco played a huge role there...we would never ever see the types of towers going up there right now had it not been for Petco Park)

Horton Plaza......in a way, yes. But the redevelopers of DTSD had a big part in pushing a lot of seedy businesses out of town. That's the way a lot of people viewed San Diego in the 80s and 90s. A place for porn shops etc.

Let's not forget the Convention Center. I think this had equal, if not greater, impact than Horton Plaza.

Derek Apr 3, 2007 4:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Sky (Post 2739000)
Horton Plaza......in a way, yes. But the redevelopers of DTSD had a big part in pushing a lot of seedy businesses out of town. That's the way a lot of people viewed San Diego in the 80s and 90s. A place for porn shops etc.

Let's not forget the Convention Center. I think this had equal, if not greater, impact than Horton Plaza.

thats true, i see your point:)

Urban Sky Apr 3, 2007 4:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Derek loves SD (Post 2738992)
^a hotel i think is (or was) the plan for the theater...


(correct me if im wrong)

Given the location, I would make it a Mixed-Use tower. At least that's how I'd do it. Think about it, it's almost in the CBD, it's merging with the area that getting some new Residential Towers, there are no Major or first-class hotels around...it's in an excellent location which will be even better once the surrounding blocks are cleaned up. Ground level retail...an awesome club on the back side....That block could be worth A LOT!

Derek Apr 3, 2007 4:29 AM

^if only someone would take the time...:(

spoonman Apr 3, 2007 4:29 AM

I used to go down to Cuban Cigar factory back in '97 and the area had already come a long way.

spoonman Apr 3, 2007 4:30 AM

Anyone used to go to Little Havana?

Derek Apr 3, 2007 4:34 AM

^no...but 5th and Island reeks from all the smoke that comes out of place...


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