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^ Hm, two inward curved towers could prove to look like City hall but interesting enough. If anything, both sides (the city and Oxford) need to stop bull and come clean about what exactly their planning. These supertall proposals seem incredibly fishy as per timing considering the amount of news coming out about how bad this would be for the city in the long run. If anything, Oxford should make some contribution to help traffic flow or fund some of Toronto's subway dreams. If they are able to to put some significant contribution to ease traffic flow (whether that be subways or doing something with the gardiner) it would be a better contribution than the supertalls (though it pains me to say so). However, what I've said is probably ludicrous because I've just asked them to put the billion plus to transportation (where they wont get anything back) rather than in two towers that they could make a profit off of. Too bad nothing gets done for the greater good nowadays :/
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Oxford to Fund New Transpo Infastructure to Deal with Front Street Convention Centre Proposal
In Toronto, amoung the representatives here, Adam Vaughan has become the most outspoken critic of this project, indicating that Toronto doesn't have the transit infactructure to deal with the coming crush load of proposals in the core. As a carrot Oxford has proposed, building a railway deck of the railway lands with a park so that the North and South Convention Centre buildings can be linked together. In addition to the public park over the railway tracks, Oxford is promising to build a state-of-the-art tunnel to allow the new property to be serviced underground for Truck and Delivery Service. |
That's good to hear Cal. It's a start to aiding Toronto's transport issues.
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" Each tower would have 40 stories for commercial establishments and 30 stories for apartments, making it 70 stories. Oxford Properties Group Executive Vice President Michael Kit said that the residential aspect of the proposal could be cancelled if the demand isn't high enough."
"Further, he said that Oxford might abandon the entire $3 billion project if the council does not approve the casino aspect of it or approves the casino, but demands a change of location. " http://www.maplegambling.com/news/20...-buildings.asp Hm...I sort of predicted this....the supertalll announcement was simply to draw attention away from the casino and then next thing we know Oxford just "might" cancel 30 stories of the towers if the demand isn't there... well they shoudn't have proposed a 3 billion project when the condo boom is just about over... |
So you think that Oxford, a big player in the Toronto construction industry, decided to jump into the condo market right as it was just about over? A team of experienced professionals, who are dedicated to making money, thought they would just throw it all away? I think it's far more likely they know something that you dont.
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I'm not implying that I know more.
I just think that this proposal may have more to it than it shows. It may end up hurting Toronto in the long run because of how Oxford is changing their stance on the whole project... Here we have the first possible supertalls in Canada and in the next few days they voice their own doubts about whether they can accomplish that. Does that not seem weird? |
That info was in the Star article from more than a week ago. It does seem curious how noncommittal the individual interviewed was.
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any updates on these towers?
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Nothing much on the towers but there is this:
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I'm liking the way they intergrate the Park with the Entertainment Facilities.
This could become a landmark venue, even without the towers. |
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Personally, I love Foster's WTC proposal, and if a version comes to Canada, I couldn't be more thrilled (much less so about the Casino aspect) |
If we actually got a design like the Foster proposal for NYC it would be a sure sign that Toronto is finally embracing its new found status and shaking off its timidness. Honestly, I'm sick to death of the minimalist conservatism of the International Style.
It would be a breath of fresh air to get a design like the one shown and a big relief, to be honest. |
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Interesting... there haven't been many proposals for urban casinos in the US. The casino business is usually pretty inflexibile with its demands for giant single-level gaming floors, even when they are allowed into uber-profitable urban sites.
We have one in downtown New Orleans, and it basically works like a convention center on a massive footprint. |
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im sorry but the supertalls are ugly
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I didn't like the supertall's design when I initially saw them. Especially when it was something very similar as the proposal for the WTC in NYC. However, I now really like the look, particularly the height, and am longing to see them constructed in Toronto as illustrated in the rendering.
Would I like them as much if they were 125m instead of 325m? No, not at all, but as a supertall, they're good with me. |
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