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ArquitectoMontenegro Nov 6, 2018 5:50 PM

I had mistook the Spire replacing Ruocco Park-- you're correct it is this Blue Campus/Aquarium that will directly replace it.

The Waterfront Park is very active because of its proximity to the large amount of apartments and condos in Little Italy (where there are fewer hotels in comparison to other areas like Seaport Village).

I think Lane field, and Ruocco Park would be better used if there were more residential units near them. They are too far for activities like walking your dog. I live in Little Italy and frequent the Waterfront Park but Lane Field is just far away enough that it is inconvenient to get there--and it is also poorly programmed. If Lane/Ruocco had a play ground I bet you'd see more people. The playground aspect of Waterfront is always being used.

Grassy fields don't attract a crowd--programmed elements like sculptures, fountains, playgrounds, dog parks attract users.

I was not aware about the legalities barring residential buildings on those blocks, it does not make a lot of sense to me to allow hotels but not apartments. I suppose it is what it is.

Thank you for your informative response, Will O'Wisp

HurricaneHugo Nov 7, 2018 9:30 AM

SDSU West looks like it will pass with Soccer City looking at a massive defeat

Nv_2897 Nov 7, 2018 11:36 PM

The crane for Savina has been taken down
https://i.imgur.com/VIRo98S.jpg
*Credit to skyline webcams for the imagery

HurricaneHugo Nov 8, 2018 9:11 AM

That is one good looking skyline!

Imagine when Manchester's plan is complete

Can it expand further to the left or does the FAA stop it?

chjbolton Nov 8, 2018 4:54 PM

So... I don't know San Diego much.
Anyway care to explain why it hasn't broken the 600ft/200m mark yet? It is an FAA thing with the airport nearby? Cos that would suck...
A little peak here and there wouldn't hurt.

Nv_2897 Nov 8, 2018 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by chjbolton (Post 8372938)
So... I don't know San Diego much.
Anyway care to explain why it hasn't broken the 600ft/200m mark yet? It is an FAA thing with the airport nearby? Cos that would suck...
A little peak here and there wouldn't hurt.

Yes, the reasoning for the 500 limit is the nearby airport and yes, I do agree some height would be awesome; Fortunately there are big projects that are under construction or will be very soon that will help improve the skyline.

Nv_2897 Nov 9, 2018 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by HurricaneHugo (Post 8372652)
That is one good looking skyline!

Imagine when Manchester's plan is complete

Can it expand further to the left or does the FAA stop it?

I totally agree with you that the skyline looks really great right now and will look even better in the nearby future. Unfortunately, the height stops a block or two after Ariel Appartments due to FAA height restrictions

HurricaneHugo Nov 9, 2018 3:31 AM

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Originally Posted by chjbolton (Post 8372938)
So... I don't know San Diego much.
Anyway care to explain why it hasn't broken the 600ft/200m mark yet? It is an FAA thing with the airport nearby? Cos that would suck...
A little peak here and there wouldn't hurt.

Yeah it's the airport.

Specifically, it's because airplanes should fly to their left when aborting a landing at the last minute. That puts their path over downtown.

Many can make the argument that the southern portion of East Village wouldn't be in the path and the FAA could raise the limit a lil bit.

SDCAL Nov 9, 2018 2:35 PM

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Originally Posted by HurricaneHugo (Post 8368572)
Well that spire sure would be iconic...

Is there a rendering that shows the top of it? It’s weird that it’s the iconic part of that project, yet all the renderings show it cut-off. Can’t really make a judgement on how it looks without seeing the whole thing.

chjbolton Nov 9, 2018 6:28 PM

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Originally Posted by HurricaneHugo (Post 8373740)
Yeah it's the airport.

Specifically, it's because airplanes should fly to their left when aborting a landing at the last minute. That puts their path over downtown.

Many can make the argument that the southern portion of East Village wouldn't be in the path and the FAA could raise the limit a lil bit.

Thanks for the answer guys.
And GAWD!!! That is so frustrating...
Cities and airports you know! San Diego, Seattle, London... :uhh:

embora Nov 10, 2018 5:07 AM

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Originally Posted by HurricaneHugo (Post 8354296)
Wait the construction at 11th and Market is a 36 floor tower?!

Does anybody know if that's going up first or the 6 story towers?

From personal observation, it looks like both the 36 and 6 story towers are being built right now.

Will O' Wisp Nov 10, 2018 8:08 AM

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Originally Posted by HurricaneHugo (Post 8373740)
Yeah it's the airport.

Specifically, it's because airplanes should fly to their left when aborting a landing at the last minute. That puts their path over downtown.

Many can make the argument that the southern portion of East Village wouldn't be in the path and the FAA could raise the limit a lil bit.

The missed approach procedure for KSAN in approach to Rwy 27 (aka the usual landing over Balboa Park) is to stay on the runway heading and immediately climb to 2500 feet, then wait for further instructions. Going the other direction the procedure is to stay on runway immediately climb to 5000 feet, then head towards Chula Vista before flying out over the ocean (alternately, the newer GPS procedure is to climb to 2000 feet then make a climbing right turn out to sea). In none of there procedure will the pilot ever deviate from course anywhere close to downtown.

From an air operations standpoint all that's really necessary is a sort of cone descending towards the airport, and when you're will to edge up on those limits airliners can end up far closer to the tops of downtown skyscrapers than in SD (as this airport in Brazil demonstrates).

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Honestly, I mostly put it down to perceptions. Even if covering downtown north of little italy in 800 footers wouldn't prevent safe operations at Lindbergh, getting so close to the tops of buildings while in an aircraft tends to freak people out. So CALTRANS limits building within 1.5 miles of an airport to 500' above the ground and the city limits (most) buildings to 500 feet above seal level.

202_Cyclist Nov 10, 2018 11:58 AM

FAA is the agency to that determines permissible heghts in the vicinity of airports, through its obstruction analysis review. The FAA will look at distance from the airport and the height of the proposed buildings.

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/portal.jsp

This analysis is largely driven by ensuring that an aircraft can clear any potential obstacle if it has one engine inoperable during takeoff.

https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/avia...1_Overview.pdf

Will O' Wisp Nov 10, 2018 5:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 202_Cyclist (Post 8374983)
FAA is the agency to that determines permissible heghts in the vicinity of airports, through its obstruction analysis review. The FAA will look at distance from the airport and the height of the proposed buildings.

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/portal.jsp

This analysis is largely driven by ensuring that an aircraft can clear any potential obstacle if it has one engine inoperable during takeoff.

https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/avia...1_Overview.pdf

The legal dynamics of aviation obstacle regulation are fairly complex and involve all levels of government from federal to local. The FAA is not technically involved in the approval or permitting of any structure, that falls under jurisdiction of the local municipality (in this case the City of SD). However the FAA defines the FAR Part 77 "imaginary surfaces", a roughly conical region centered above the airport, which define what it considers ideal for safe aircraft operations.

http://www.doav.virginia.gov/Images/...urfacesmed.jpg

The FAA does not have any direct methods to enforce compliance upon developers, but since the FAA is allowed to decertify an airport for air travel state and local governments are heavily incentivized to refuse permitting of structures violating these boundaries, at least if they want to keep their airport from being shut down. The FAA even has even already written up a law for cities to pass just to make that easier for them.

The Part 77 surfaces define what the FAA considers necessary for safe aircraft operations, but they're not exactly going to complain if your local municipality wants to be more restrictive than that. To that end when CA passed the California Aeronautics Act it required the Caltrans Div of Aeronautics to give approval to any structure taller than 500' AGL within 1.5 miles of an airport, which it never has and probably never will. This is why One America Plaza tops out at exactly 500 feet. However, portions of the East Village are further than 1.5 miles away from Lindburgh and the Part 77 FAA surfaces after taller than 500 feet in the area. But because the City of SD has decided that would just look silly the Centre City PDO limits building heights to 500 feel above sea level across all of downtown. Although the City Council can overrule this and has done so in the past, unless your project is going to be iconic as One America Plaza (or the Seaport Village observation tower hopefully!) they're probably going to say no.

SDfan Nov 10, 2018 8:37 PM

The red is coming:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...110_123349.jpg

HurricaneHugo Nov 11, 2018 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by embora (Post 8374912)
From personal observation, it looks like both the 36 and 6 story towers are being built right now.

Do we have renderings of the 36 story tower?

I don't know how I missed that one

Will O' Wisp Nov 13, 2018 1:16 AM

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Originally Posted by HurricaneHugo (Post 8375617)
Do we have renderings of the 36 story tower?

I don't know how I missed that one

We have renderings aplenty

http://pvp.trb.com/4880098443001/201...=4880098443001

https://officeinsight.com/wp-content...k-Market-3.jpg

http://www.ideadistrictsd.com/wp-con...hbors-UCSD.png

spoonman Nov 13, 2018 1:38 AM

I thought that tower was supposed to be ~42 floors. Did it change? If I recall, that is the tower that was conceived by another developer and sold to Bosa?

Boatguy619 Nov 13, 2018 2:36 AM

That first photo isn't Park and Market. Thats the Bosa development "Broadway Block" also going up nearby. Park and Market is the UCSD extension right? Too many big projects to keep track of, I love it.

Will Savina have anything on its rooftop? It sure look's like theres going to be something up there, hopefully not just for tenants. SD really lacks good rooftop bars/ clubs.

superfishy Nov 13, 2018 5:39 AM

I hope the Seaport redevelopment gets going before the next economic lull.


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