NEW YORK | 666 5th Ave. | 1,400 FT | FLOORS
666 Fifth Ave. may be transformed into a slender tower
September 10, 2015 By Amanda Fung http://www.thecityreview.com/fifth666zzz.jpg Quote:
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Holy crap! A 1,400 foot-tall Zaha Hadid!? I must be dreaming :)
Real Estate heavyweights mull turning Fifth Ave. tower into mall By Lois Weiss September 10, 2015 | 12:02am Quote:
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Another 1,400 ft. Midtown supertall, this time by Zaha Hadid. Sounds good to me.
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Lol. Said this yesterday...
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The Ying-Yang has exploded! :cheers: If there's another tall tower proposed tomorrow, I might have a stroke. Too much good news to recently. :worship: Incredible news. Seems like height decreases on other projects result in more towers that are even taller. Maybe what we need are more height decreases because luck is on our side. :D In a great location. https://www.google.com/maps/vt/data=...DKDEErzy_zbdFo |
Some details: the built FAR of the office building is roughly 1.25 million square feet -- the entire floor area is around 1.5. There's also 50,000 square feet of unused air rights at 21 W 57th.
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Any chance of some airright transfers from St. Thomas?
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I'm guessing 3,000 feet, red, lava smoldering down the sides, and it opes some sort of portal to hell. Long live the 666 tower
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It seems reasonable that if given the chance, St. Thomas would welcome the oppoortunity to sell the remainder of what they had hoped to sell before Amanda Burden made her decision in favor of the neighborhood whiners who seem shocked to learn that they bought homes in midtown Manhattan. If so, it serves the nimbys right that there would be an even taller tower now on the same block as 53w53. |
Hopefully it's a better proposal than her Park Ave tower.
http://archinect.com/news/article/59...tower-unveiled |
Mods should change thread title to 1,400 ft.
Zaha Hadid doesn't do standard-issue towers, so this building will not be a typical box. |
Correct me if I'm wrong but if they go through with this would't this be close to one of the biggest office buildings (in sf) ever purposefully taken down in the city?
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I think they are going to add on top of it. Convert the building into a hotel/residential super tall. Assuming that's what they mean by "restack". Something like a 5 Beekman situation for example, only a super tall. At least I think that's what the articles mean. :uhh: |
I was under the impression it would be more like 380 Madison, where they would remove entire sections of the building in order to put that square footage higher up
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It would be more like the Norman Foster tower going up on Park Ave. Technically an alteration due to zoning rules but really a new tower. |
As very attractive as a new 1400 foot building will be, which btw we can surely assume will be more architecturally significant then the current piece. It is another case of taking office space thats already serving and holding a lot of people, and turning that sf into huge apartments that will not only serve very few, but do nothing in terms of stemming actual residential demand. It reinforces this idea that height really isn't a good measure of the density of people these buildings are bringing into the area, or that all of this new construction is helping the city 'grow'.
Frankly the buildings that are making a dent are the relative crapola on far west 42nd. NY really needs many many more of these right now. |
Not sure if a Hadid tower is good or bad for NY. She certainly does some interesting architecture, but not always in a good way.
Hope it's a stunner, and not something people look at 50 years from now saying "WTF were those people in the 2010's thinking by building this crazy thing?". LOL |
A NY version of 1000 Museum rising in Miami would be nice. She seems to like that type of design.
Some of her work: http://static.dezeen.com/uploads/201...dezeen_ss2.jpg Credit: http://www.dezeen.com/2014/09/05/zah...scrapers-trio/ http://www.condosforsalemiamibeach.c...65756d3232.jpg Credit: http://ivanparada7.blogspot.com/2014...s-will-be.html http://www.noticiasarquitectura.info...a-york-640.jpg Credit: http://www.multifamilyexecutive.com/...ints-nyc-mad_o A slender super tall with that futuristic touch and an alien nature could be something that we may see. Although how it will fit on 5th Avenue in terms of its aesthetics is another question, but I have a feeling something incorporating elements in the projects above will rise. While A.M. stern likes his art-deco, Hadid's designs look like something you'd see in a sci-fi movie. |
^That second one is particularly Gigeresque. Almost creepy in my opinion. I hope nothing like that rises on Fifth Avenue.
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Also for a reminder, here's Hadid's proposal for 425 Park.
http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.c...bump.jpg?w=360 |
Whatever she builds , will be nothing like those crazy alien monster towers. This is Midtown not Miami beach. You won't see an an insect or birds nest tower going up here fellows, I can guarantee it. I'll bet my bottom dollar that this tower ends up being a rather boxy tower with some frills added on for affect. Large swooping sides and this and that won't be on the table. I honestly think you're all getting your knickers in a twist over nothing. No way in hell boys will something remotely resembling that weird Miami tower be showing up in Midtown freakin Manhattan, lol!
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Wow, this came out of nowhere. I have a direct view of this building from my office and it's one massive office building. This is very interesting, as the years go on and these mid-century office towers become more antiquated, I'm sure we'll see more and more of these developments.
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Imagine how much better Nordstrom would have been if it kept the same form but had some Hadid frills. I'm hopeful for a touch of her Miami where as I was never optimistic for AS+GG Chicago. |
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your words sound hopeful Chris . . .
"A slender super tall with that futuristic touch and an alien nature . . could be something that we may see" . . And that sounds just fine with me . . I think . . You never know 'till you see it of course . . Any of the posts of Hadid's work shown in this thread so far . . would look much cooler less squat . . if they were formed into a much taller - more slender proportion . . . That's exactly what we're suppose to get here anyway . . Serious sleek architectural alien "futuristic" - Absolutely. Bring it on . . Sophisticated Soaring Shape is the most inspiring . . But beware of the shapes option in the hands of the less talented . . Shape can easily get ridiculous . . goofy badly-proportioned Mighty-Toy "futuristic" - . . please God . . no cringe-worthy sh*t ! . . not in Manhattan . . not on 5th Ave. Hadid's work is consistently good . . providing developer and client . . don't mangle the essential brilliance of design . . to save dough at the end of the process . . Let's hope a tall beauty here is forthcoming . There's plenty of bad bland "normal" background buildings in Midtown to absorb the jolt. (even some new ones) . . |
a massing is present in this cityrealty rendering right of 432 Park - towering over 53w53rd:
http://www.6sqft.com/subway-inn-site...pertall-tower/ http://www.6sqft.com/wp-content/uplo...h-street-6.jpg |
http://nypost.com/2015/10/20/the-nex...t-skyscrapers/
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Sad note. http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/162903616/original.jpg |
RIP Zaha, she was very talented! :(
I wonder what the fate of this tower will be now, we'll need to find another starchitect. |
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Since nothing has been released, hard for any of us to really opine, because we have no idea of the plans. |
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I also think it would be a bit insulting to her to not user her design now that she's passed. She would have wanted to see it built.
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In Memoriam: Zaha Hadid’s Projects in New York
http://www.6sqft.com/in-memoriam-zah...new-york-city/ 666 Fifth Avenue Midtown Vornado Realty and Kushner Companies Unbuilt | 2015 Perhaps one of the most exciting design rumors to surface last fall was that real estate titans Steve Roth and Jared Kushner may be conjuring up a plan to build a 1,400-foot mixed-use supertall skyscraper at 666 Fifth Avenue designed by Zaha Hadid. According to the Post, Hadid had already prepared a scheme that would re-stack vertically the existing 41-story office building. http://www.6sqft.com/wp-content/uplo...fth-Avenue.jpg Google Earth rendering of what a 1,400-foot tower could look like on the site of 666 Fifth Avenue, via 6sqft |
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Its kinda like a taller 1000 Museum in a sense. I'd be happy with a design such as this gracing 5th Avenue. It'll be a testament to her work, and will solidify it permanently to the NYC skyline. http://www.designboom.com/wp-content...ignboom-03.jpg Credit: http://www.designboom.com/architectu...miami-skyline/ |
I hope they build that! I dig it... it does look like a twice as tall version of the Miami one.
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I would be very happy with that design. We'll see.
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Its speculative and most likely not what the design will look like. I do hope it will share some of the elements of 1000 Museum or her other work.
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I think 6sqft would be better off mentioning that such a design will be in a similar style to Hadid's other work, but not use a stretched 1000 Museum for sake of hypothesizing a potential tower. Its misleading and a publicity tactic. |
I honestly was never a big fan of her work. It's a tragic loss for her family and the industry as a whole though. She was a pioneer for other female architects.
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Anyway, a 1,400 ft tower would look nice there. But between this and Barnet's potential new tower, along with the tower at 520 5th Ave., Fifth Ave is being pushed back into the spotlight of tall skyscrapers. None other than the ESB of course leads the way. |
Grieving and Going Forward: How Zaha Hadid’s Firm Plans to Move On
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Such a tragic loss the the architecture community, it is good to see some of her final projects will be moving forward.
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Kushners Set to Get $400 Million From Chinese Firm on Tower
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http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...-666-fifth-ave
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$4 billion? Trophy asset? Bring it on! :yes:
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Yeah, we never quite got a look at the "reconfiguration" that was planned. But for the amounts of money involved, I definitely think this would be more than simply converting the upper floors to residential. https://therealdeal.com/2017/03/13/a...ower-at-2-85b/ Quote:
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Mixed used, with the addition of residential will make height a priority in terms of pricing. Better views demand better prices. So given that there is a luxury residential component on the upper floors, it will most likely catar to similar buys like we've seen on 57th Street. And with that, a tower needs to stand out to attract those tenants. |
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I can still see that scheme taking shape, it would need that large construction loan. The current king of "hybrid" new and old construction in New York is SHoP Architects. They should be in the mix, though we never know who would be involved in these things. |
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