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dl3000 Jan 19, 2010 6:45 AM

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Originally Posted by OneMetropolis (Post 4655276)
:previous: So typical. All the hype, than a loss. And the most famed cliché to follow it "there's always next year,"

Exactly what I told people at the end of the game. The whole thing almost word for word. I definitely was nervous about this game.

HurricaneHugo Jan 19, 2010 8:34 AM

I couldn't even move from my seat until they kicked me out... :(

kpexpress Jan 20, 2010 12:48 AM

Speaking of SD stadium, to my surprise the topic is not included on tomorrow's CCAC agenda. Mostly CUP's and medijuana.

gttx Jan 20, 2010 7:01 PM

So here is a question for all of you San Diego skyscraper enthusiasts:

What do you think of the East Village? Is there hope for this area of downtown? If so, what do you envision going in there to help catalyze future growth?

eburress Jan 20, 2010 9:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gttx (Post 4658637)
So here is a question for all of you San Diego skyscraper enthusiasts:

What do you think of the East Village? Is there hope for this area of downtown? If so, what do you envision going in there to help catalyze future growth?

Yes. A new football stadium!!!

HurricaneHugo Jan 21, 2010 6:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gttx (Post 4658637)
So here is a question for all of you San Diego skyscraper enthusiasts:

What do you think of the East Village? Is there hope for this area of downtown? If so, what do you envision going in there to help catalyze future growth?

Chargers Stadium. :D

kpexpress Jan 21, 2010 7:30 PM

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Originally Posted by gttx (Post 4658637)
So here is a question for all of you San Diego skyscraper enthusiasts:

What do you think of the East Village? Is there hope for this area of downtown? If so, what do you envision going in there to help catalyze future growth?

East Village Green, Library, affordable housing, expansion of education (city college, NSAD, etc.), and families families families - this area is in need of families more so than any other place in the entire city.

kpexpress Jan 21, 2010 7:37 PM

Last night at the CCAC meeting, the committee voted unanimously to start the process (should take 12-18 months) to raise the cap on how much CCDC could collect in tax increment to eliminate urban blight and redevelop downtown from now til 2043. The cap sits now at around 2.8 billion, and could increase up to 7 billion according to Frank Alessi of CCDC. Many of us had concerns about what this extra money was for, although talk of a stadium did occur, the reason the committee voted unanimously was with the current money and cap in place there wouldn't be enough money to do all that is needed to see the downtown community plan come to fruition (stadium aside).

I think however that this is laying the groundwork for a backdoor deal between the mayor's office, CCDC, and the Chargers to funnel more money their way to see a stadium be built. Although I am not a huge fan (still on the fence in fact) of having a stadium built in the east village, it would take a lot of money (way more than the cap and budget has) to develop the bus depot site. Although not specified in the community plan that the bus depot should be a football stadium, in fact the plan calls for everything but a massive stadium, the bus depot will be redeveloped and moved elsewhere in the city hopefully before the end of our lifetime(s).

Fusey Jan 22, 2010 1:15 AM

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Originally Posted by gttx (Post 4658637)
Is there hope for this area of downtown?

Deporting the hobos at Father Joe's to their home states would be a great start.

eburress Jan 22, 2010 7:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Fusey (Post 4661062)
Deporting the hobos at Father Joe's to their home states would be a great start.

Hobos = stranded Jets fans?

S.DviaPhilly Jan 23, 2010 10:06 PM

A pretty decent proposal for the stadium and other stuff........
 
Found this on another thread. These are two retired san diegans trying to help out


LaPlayaHeritage


Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: San Diego
Posts: 19
Smile Ballot Question for the November 2, 2010 Public Vote
Proposition – New downtown Chargers stadium and redevelopment of the City-owned Mission Valley site. January 23, 2010, by Katheryn Rhodes and Conrad Hartsell MD, rhodes@laplayaheritage.com 619-523-4350.

Ballot Question for November 2, 2010 Public Vote: Shall the People of the City of San Diego prepare land in the East Village area of downtown San Diego for a new multi-purpose Chargers NFL Stadium/Convention and Event Center and Build the Permanent Homeless Shelter using CCDC Redevelopment Funds; create a intergovernmental structure with the County of San Diego Association of Governments (SANDAG) to finance construction of the Regional asset; and Redevelop the City-owned 166-acre Mission Valley site into a 75-acre River Front park, a Fire Station, and housing specifically for college students, staff, and faculty; Veterans; and seniors displaced from the closing of mobile home parks?

Preparation of public land in the East Village to be financed using City of San Diego taxpayers’ CCDC Redevelopment Funds:
· Relocate the MTS Maintenance Yard to other City of San Diego vehicle facilities yards.
· Buy 2.5 acres of private land needed for the project footprint.
· Remove the contaminated soils created by the City of San Diego from under the proposed site.
· Construct the Basement Level for a new multi-purpose structure.
· Incorporate adaptive reuse of the Historically Designated Wonder Bread building into the new design and require all archaeological artifacts recovered to be properly cared for at the San Diego Archaeological Center at San Pasqual.
· Incorporate public restrooms and drinking fountains accessible from the street for public use.
· Resolve the Homeless problem in downtown San Diego, by in part, building the Permanent Homeless Shelter before a stadium is occupied.

Create a Intergovernmental structure with the County of San Diego Association of Governments (SANDAG) to finance the public’s cost of building the Stadium/Convention and Event Center structure, in cooperation with the Chargers organization and the NFL.
· Chargers have pledge $200 million and the NFL has pledge $100 million for construction of a new NFL Stadium.
· The balance of construction costs for the new building would come from the County of San Diego Association of Governments (SANDAG) who have access to State and Federal Stimulus Fund for regional assets.

Redevelop the City-owned 166-acre Mission Valley site.
· Create a Redevelopment Project Area.
· Create a 75-acre public park along the San Diego River and build a new Mission Valley Fire Station on the 82-acres of City of San Diego Water Department owned land.
· Sell a portion of the 84 acres of developable land to San Diego State University (SDSU) for student, staff, and faculty housing with proceeds from the sale of the public land used to finance the 75-acre public park, fire station, and affordable housing for seniors and Veterans.
· Set aside a portion of the 84 acres of developable land for the creation of Veterans Housing for returning Veterans, disabled Veterans, and Veterans attending college on the GI Bill.
· Construct very low affordable housing for seniors displaced by the closing of mobile home parks on a portion of the 84 acres of developable land.

New revenue streams for the City of San Diego taxpayers would be created by the Redevelopment of publically owned City of San Diego land including:
· The 166-acre Mission Valley Site with a 75-acre park, a new Fire Station, and housing.
· The 67-acre Sports Arena property in the Midway area for mixed-use and affordable housing when the lease expires in 2017.
· A new planned hotel on the 76-acre site of the De Anza Mobile Home Park in Mission Bay.

HurricaneHugo Jan 24, 2010 12:07 AM

But What About The Walkability Of The Neighborhood???!!!

Poor Bums Are Going To Have To Walk All Around The Stadium Cuz They Could Just Cut Through The Mts Yard!

Derek Jan 24, 2010 4:22 AM

All talk, no action. ;)

kpexpress Jan 24, 2010 7:36 AM

why don't they build the homeless shelter in the mixed use redeveloped area in Mission Valley?

Fusey Jan 24, 2010 4:23 PM

^ Donna Frye would complain about the height. :haha:

Fusey Jan 24, 2010 7:57 PM

All right, looks like something is actually getting built downtown despite the recession. Too bad it's the new cruise ship terminal, which, if I recall correctly, received negative comments from most of the regulars in this thread.

From the Union-Tribune:

http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/...34634cbc5420f3
http://www.signonsandiego.com/photos...jan/23/102449/

bmfarley Jan 24, 2010 8:45 PM

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Originally Posted by S.DviaPhilly (Post 4663768)
Found this on another thread. These are two retired san diegans trying to help out


LaPlayaHeritage


Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: San Diego
Posts: 19
Smile Ballot Question for the November 2, 2010 Public Vote
Proposition – New downtown Chargers stadium and redevelopment of the City-owned Mission Valley site. January 23, 2010, by Katheryn Rhodes and Conrad Hartsell MD, rhodes@laplayaheritage.com 619-523-4350.

Ballot Question for November 2, 2010 Public Vote: Shall the People of the City of San Diego prepare land in the East Village area of downtown San Diego for a new multi-purpose Chargers NFL Stadium/Convention and Event Center and Build the Permanent Homeless Shelter using CCDC Redevelopment Funds; create a intergovernmental structure with the County of San Diego Association of Governments (SANDAG) to finance construction of the Regional asset; and Redevelop the City-owned 166-acre Mission Valley site into a 75-acre River Front park, a Fire Station, and housing specifically for college students, staff, and faculty; Veterans; and seniors displaced from the closing of mobile home parks?

Preparation of public land in the East Village to be financed using City of San Diego taxpayers’ CCDC Redevelopment Funds:
· Relocate the MTS Maintenance Yard to other City of San Diego vehicle facilities yards.
· Buy 2.5 acres of private land needed for the project footprint.
· Remove the contaminated soils created by the City of San Diego from under the proposed site.
· Construct the Basement Level for a new multi-purpose structure.
· Incorporate adaptive reuse of the Historically Designated Wonder Bread building into the new design and require all archaeological artifacts recovered to be properly cared for at the San Diego Archaeological Center at San Pasqual.
· Incorporate public restrooms and drinking fountains accessible from the street for public use.
· Resolve the Homeless problem in downtown San Diego, by in part, building the Permanent Homeless Shelter before a stadium is occupied.

Create a Intergovernmental structure with the County of San Diego Association of Governments (SANDAG) to finance the public’s cost of building the Stadium/Convention and Event Center structure, in cooperation with the Chargers organization and the NFL.
· Chargers have pledge $200 million and the NFL has pledge $100 million for construction of a new NFL Stadium.
· The balance of construction costs for the new building would come from the County of San Diego Association of Governments (SANDAG) who have access to State and Federal Stimulus Fund for regional assets.

Redevelop the City-owned 166-acre Mission Valley site.
· Create a Redevelopment Project Area.
· Create a 75-acre public park along the San Diego River and build a new Mission Valley Fire Station on the 82-acres of City of San Diego Water Department owned land.
· Sell a portion of the 84 acres of developable land to San Diego State University (SDSU) for student, staff, and faculty housing with proceeds from the sale of the public land used to finance the 75-acre public park, fire station, and affordable housing for seniors and Veterans.
· Set aside a portion of the 84 acres of developable land for the creation of Veterans Housing for returning Veterans, disabled Veterans, and Veterans attending college on the GI Bill.
· Construct very low affordable housing for seniors displaced by the closing of mobile home parks on a portion of the 84 acres of developable land.

New revenue streams for the City of San Diego taxpayers would be created by the Redevelopment of publically owned City of San Diego land including:
· The 166-acre Mission Valley Site with a 75-acre park, a new Fire Station, and housing.
· The 67-acre Sports Arena property in the Midway area for mixed-use and affordable housing when the lease expires in 2017.
· A new planned hotel on the 76-acre site of the De Anza Mobile Home Park in Mission Bay.

That is interesting; however, I note a few things....
1) Multiple items are included in this single ballot measure? Stadium, low-income housing, public bathrooms, homeless housing/shelter, Mission Valley site re-use.... where does it end? Seems like too much on one ballot... I encourage splitting them up.

2) Regardless of a ballot measure outcome, cooperation is needed from the transit agency - they are essentially a state agency and and have their own mission.

Derek Jan 24, 2010 11:56 PM

Why must they feel the need to send things to the ballot? Just fucking do shit and get it done!! :)

HurricaneHugo Jan 27, 2010 5:25 AM

CCDC Board Meeting, tomorrow Wednesday, January 27, 2010 at 9:00 am, 401 B Street, Suite 400, downtown San Diego.

http://www.ccdc.com/events/resources/Agenda30.pdf

Agenda Item 12. Evolution Media Capital, LLC. Informational Item regarding the financial feasibility of reusing the MTS site for a stadium

eburress Jan 27, 2010 6:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 4665043)
Why must they feel the need to send things to the ballot? Just fucking do shit and get it done!! :)

I completely agree. No good can come from asking San Diegans what they think. If ANYTHING is ever going to get done in this town, it will be in spite of its residents' opinions.


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