The Irish diaspora
St. Patrick's Day tomorrow. Does the "Irish" community exist outside of a few pockets in the diaspora nowadays?
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In the US, there is no real Irish community. It's all Irish-American, meaning Americanized Irish. It's like how Chinese food in the US is not like Chinese food in China. You can't really tell who is Irish unless you look at the last name.
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Right, different from Ireland obviously. But to what extent does an Irish-American subculture exist at this point?
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"Irish American" identity still Pretty strong in the Northeast and Midwest.
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Most people, I think, celebrated St. Patty's day over the weekend. Hopefully that was the last big hurrah for most in terms of going out in big groups and getting drunk, at least until this whole situation starts to pick up again.
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I have first cousins born and raised in Ireland, and I was rarely the only person in class in this situation throughout my school life in suburban Boston when we did our family history presentations. |
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15% of Canadians identify as Irish-Canadian. This number jumps between 20-30% in Atlantic Canada. The most famous St. Patrick's Day parade is the one in Montreal. It's one of the oldest and largest in North America and has been held yearly without interruption since 1824. St Patrick's Day itself, however, has been celebrated in Montreal since as far back as 1759 by Irish soldiers in the Montreal Garrison following the British conquest of New France.
Montreal St. Patrick's Day Parade https://images.dailyhive.com/2020022...e-montreal.jpg https://dailyhive.com/montreal/montr...rade-cancelled In Toronto, the Irish-Canadian community heavily influenced the city and remains fairly prominent. Although not Irish today, the Cabbagetown neighbourhood (I live 2 blocks away) was once the epicentre for the Irish community. Back then it was a very poor and the Irish migrants who lived there planted cabbage in front of their houses as a source of food. They even have their own Cabbagetown flag. Toronto's Cabbagetown neighbourhood https://i1.wp.com/www.kikucorner.com...size=600%2C804 https://i1.wp.com/www.kikucorner.com...size=600%2C804 |
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There's still an Irish (not Irish-American) concentration on the Bronx/Yonkers border. Katonah Avenue in Woodlawn (Bronx) and McLean Ave. in adjacent SE Yonkers are the main commercial streets. There are still immigration centers, Irish papers for sale, etc. Lots of construction workers with no papers are Irish, even today. Construction pays extremely well here.
Thirty years ago, however, there was an Irish (not Irish-American) concentration that extended southward, all the way to Fordham Rd. in the Bronx. Norwood was heavily Irish until maybe 15 years ago. Still a few remnants. Bainbridge Ave. in Norwood was very Irish until recently. Still a couple of old man bars. There's also a decent-sized community in Woodside, Queens. Of course, assimilated Irish-American communities are everywhere in the NE corridor between Philly and Boston. |
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boston, Chicago, NYC, Savannah, some NOLA
seems to blend out as you go west though. Had a cousin move to SF and we thought he was an astronaut |
Here in KC I see people flying Irish flags here and there.
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Quebec is actually home to the only predominantly* French-speaking Irish diaspora in the world.
(*A significant of minority or Irish-descended Quebecers are still anglophones, but the majority are now native French speakers. Quite a few speak very little English at all.) Their historical presence here is related to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tjz8A5N055I Though many Irish also integrated with francophones outside of that crisis. They were simply immigrants who cozied up more to the French Canadian Catholics more than to the local anglos (generally Protestants), in spite of the fact that almost all of the Irish spoke English as either a first or second language. The house across the street from ours owing to family reconstitutions and compound surnames actually has three Irish surnames present in it. Every single person living there is a Québécois francophone however. Not to be disrespectful but Irishness in Quebec is for the vast majority very much a "Plastic Paddy" thing. More about drinking Guinness, listening to the Cranberries (or maybe The Pogues) and raising a glass on St. Patrick's Day. Iconic Irish stuff like its literary greats or GAA football are largely unknown here even among the Irish-descended. Though maybe I am being too dismissive? I guess that the Irish presence has clearly left an influence on Quebec folk and even popular music, for example. I mean, what else can one make of this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxJwRJlS890 |
we have the "Chi-rish" here in the windy city.
who have WAY more to do with public urination and turning rivers green than anything involving ireland itself. i myself am a significant, but not precisely known, percentage of Chi-rish. http://s3.amazonaws.com/strange-carg...jpg?1392918433 source: http://www.strangecargo.com/chirish-crest |
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Corona - "hold my beer" |
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everybody's an astronaut in SF. can't ignore the flyover states. Butte, Montana has a significant Irish population. here's an older article about it in the Irish Times naming Butte the "Most Irish Town in America": https://www.irishtimes.com/news/the-...erica-1.573655 :cheers: |
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edit: just saw Crawford's post |
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