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Redkey Oct 13, 2012 12:15 AM

TORONTO l Oxford Place l 326 M / 1,070 FT x 2 l Norman Foster
 
This is the Toronto Metro Convention Centre Redevelopment. This whole proposal is massive as it incorporates the long awaited Toronto Casino, a brand new convention centre, two office supertalls and two other buildings all while building over rail tracks (and demolishing the old convention centre).

"Oxford Place Facts
Developer and owner: Oxford Properties Group
Architect and Planner: Foster + Partners
Location: Front Street, bounded by Simcoe Street and Blue Jays Way
Total area: 11 acres with 7.35 million SF of master planned mixed-use development
Elements: * 1.1 million SF of Convention Centre
* 2.5 million SF of Office
* 1 million SF of Retail
* 600,000 SF of Residential
* 450,000 SF of Casino and Amenity Space
* 1.7 million SF of Hotel and Amenity Space
* 4,000 Parking Stalls On-Site
* 5.5 acres of public parkland, cooperating with neighboring stakeholders
Timeline: Contingent on City of Toronto support and Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corporation operator selection process. Oxford will be in a position to submit a rezoning application shortly after the necessary decisions are made."


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle4608014/

http://www.marketwire.com/press-rele...to-1712716.htm

http://torontoist.com/wp-content/upl...-rendering.jpg

http://oxfordplace.ca/images/slide-aerialSkyline.jpg

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/837...photoen201.jpg

Dale Oct 13, 2012 12:40 AM

What is the likelihood that the casino will pass ?

DanOttTor Oct 13, 2012 12:49 AM

Are those twin tower supertalls? WOW!

Looks like one massive project.

DrNest Oct 13, 2012 1:13 AM

There's been a lot of talk in the past couple of years of a casino in downtown Toronto. Often it's talk of converting the land at Ontario Place, but in my opinion a more centrally located casino to the downtown core is more likely to be approved.
I can't say for sure, but I would postulate that there is a very high likelihood that the casino will be approved.

Dale Oct 13, 2012 1:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrNest (Post 5865056)
There's been a lot of talk in the past couple of years of a casino in downtown Toronto. Often it's talk of converting the land at Ontario Place, but in my opinion a more centrally located casino to the downtown core is more likely to be approved.
I can't say for sure, but I would postulate that there is a very high likelihood that the casino will be approved.

Gotcha, thanks.

Urbana Oct 13, 2012 3:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanOttTor (Post 5865033)
Are those twin tower supertalls? WOW!

Looks like one massive project.

If they are supertall it will be a close call, I would guess between 290 and 320 meters (950-1050 feet), based on their relationship to the observation area of CN Tower.

cruzin4u Oct 13, 2012 4:31 AM

The image states "For massing / illustration only".

The casino will pass once a few people's pockets have been lined with that green stuff.

I'd rather not see twin towers, as we have so many of them as is - but the development does look promising.

isaidso Oct 13, 2012 1:39 PM

Yes, these illustrations are rarely accurate when it comes to scale. They usually enlarge the proposal and reduce the size of everything else. The Delta Hotel (blocked by the 'Convention Centre' sign) is actually 160m tall or 29% the height of the CN Tower, but here they've made it look much shorter than that.

If the scale in the illustration is accurate, the office twins would be about 350m but as I've pointed out the scale is off.

blacktrojan3921 Oct 14, 2012 8:18 AM

This better be a supertall |:c.

Su-per-tall, su-per-tall~

Fatality Oct 17, 2012 9:31 PM

Ah, very hard for this one to actually get approved. No doubt this one is going to take some time. Yes, I hope the towers are supertalls but I wouldnt get my hopes up.

Also, the fact that it is right in downtown upsets a lot of people due to traffic concerns and the concerns of people with gambling problems.

The traffic concern is a reasonable concern, because a casino will definetly cause pressure on the roads and on the gardiner.

But the concern about those with gambling problems is ridiculous. If that made sense then why keep any beer shops open? Close them down as well for those that are alcoholics.

Considering this is Toronto, this is a very decent proposal overall.

Redkey Oct 18, 2012 12:30 AM

I also think this isn't the best location for a casino. Its a good location, don't get me wrong; but the best option IMO would be to build it on an artificial island they make by Ontario place. Who knows, maybe a hotel on that island too? Very Burj al Arab.

Fatality Oct 18, 2012 12:58 AM

^ I would agree but the same arguments would still pop up...transportation (if it is an island then will there be ferries or the additional cost of a tunnel?). Also, the problem of those with gambling problems and so on...

It just seems like everything is criticized a bit much without giving a proper answer. City council really havent seem to have given a definite answer as to if they even want a casino. Same with the people of Toronto. And those that want it but not like this dont have a proper alternative themselves. (There was a thought to put it in Scarborough which eases on the traffic problem but I dont think Oxford wants to put it there because its not as glamorous as being close to downtown Toronto).

isaidso Oct 18, 2012 2:55 AM

No, you want a casino central and easily accessible not tucked away on some out of the way place. What's the good of that?

Fatality Oct 18, 2012 5:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by isaidso (Post 5870541)
No, you want a casino central and easily accessible not tucked away on some out of the way place. What's the good of that?

Yea but how they look at it is if there is a good casino, people will go even if it is farther away and less accessible like Scarborough (not that I agree).

Dylan Leblanc Oct 19, 2012 3:55 PM

Here is the site of the eastern two towers of this project.

Wikipedia - http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier...er_skydeck.jpg

isaidso Oct 25, 2012 6:38 AM

Word out of City Council is that the 2 tall eastern office towers are each 326m or 1070ft.

DrNest Oct 25, 2012 1:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by isaidso (Post 5879131)
Word out of City Council is that the 2 tall eastern office towers are each 326m or 1070ft.

Great news! Perfect height for our first Supertalls. They will blend perfectly with the CN Tower, and are located in a good spot to keep the flow of the skyline from all directions. If anything they will link the CN Tower to FCP and Scotia Plaza and the CBD even better.

Ed007Toronto Oct 25, 2012 3:31 PM

TORONTO l Oxford Place l 326 M / 1,070 FT x 2 l Norman Foster
 
Rumours of two supertalls coming to Oxford Place. 1070 feet each Foster will design.

http://urbantoronto.ca/news/2012/10/...ll-skyscrapers

NYguy Oct 25, 2012 3:36 PM

http://urbantoronto.ca/news/2012/10/...ll-skyscrapers

Quote:

According to this City Hall insider, Oxford is planning for three of the proposed towers to be taller than the 80-storey towers currently proposed for the Mirvish + Gehry block. What will no doubt shake up the development community is that the two eastern towers — those that will contain residential units and commercial space — are seeking 1,070 feet each.
With Foster, this can be exciting.

caltrane74 Oct 25, 2012 4:09 PM

Toronto gets First Supertall Proposal in Ten Years

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QIqGOsIA2q...rmanfoster.jpg
Norman Foster New York City Design for World Trade Centre


Toronto Gets First Supertall Proposal in 10 Years



Today, we have learned through the administrators over at the forum www.urbantoronto.ca that the Oxford proposal for the Convention Centre and Railway lands south of Front Street in downtown Toronto and adjacent to the Union Centre Rail Terminal Plan two office skyscrapers with a total height of each tower to be 326 meters high. The secret did not reveal how many planned floors these office towers would have but at that height they would have to be between 75 to 85 office floors to attain that height.

Old New York World Trade Centre Design?


A question that has been asked by many on the Urban Toronto Forum, is whether these designs have been poached from the design competition to replace the New York City World Trade Centre Towers in 2001. The design looks similar to a Norman Foster proposal that I have included here:

The proposals for the Toronto Convention Centre look quite familiar, almost like we've seen them before. And trust it's not that we don't mind having them here in our city. We will take them, for the number one reason that they are not a box. So the party of speculation now begins regarding timelines, although to be honest, for these towers to begin, the convention centre must first be rebuilt, and relocated for that all to happen the current site would need to be demolished, but without loosing any convention space. So this timeline will be drawn out. Still we are excited about the prospect of these towers gracing the skyline, and right next to the CN Tower, nonetheless.

The Oxford Proposal for the Toronto Convention Centre and Railway Lands

For those uninitiated here is the Oxford Proposal for the Toronto Railway lands that was revealed about two weeks ago.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-djpSJ3NWbm...convention.jpg


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