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KevinFromTexas Sep 17, 2009 6:43 AM

Local architects to design new federal courthouse
 
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Web Posted: 09/16/2009 12:00 CDT
Local architects to design new federal courthouse

By Guillermo Contreras
- SAEN

An all-local architecture team was picked Tuesday to design the new federal courthouse in San Antonio.

The team of Lake/Flato Architects, Kell Muñoz Architects and Ellerbe Becket was chosen by the federal government after a design committee interviewed six finalists last month, said U.S. District Judge Xavier Rodriguez, who served on the committee. The other five were from out of state but had local firms as proposed partners on their design teams.

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miaht82 Sep 17, 2009 1:15 PM

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“Within two years, we'll likely complete the design aspect,” Rodriguez said recently. “By 2012, the city says it will have the SAPD (building) site demolished and ready for the swap.”
So I guess that means that the (new) SAPD HQ's will have to be built within the next couple of years in order for the old one to be demo'd. We should be hearing something soon then.

oldmanshirt Sep 17, 2009 1:41 PM

Sweet, Lake/Flato does some killer stuff. This is gonna look good.

ydoc14 Sep 17, 2009 10:27 PM

So is $125 million a "highrise" price figure?

KevinFromTexas Sep 17, 2009 11:47 PM

It depends more on the size of the lot, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's at least 100 feet tall. I would imagine courthouses are pretty expensive since they have upgraded security systems and layouts.

But for comparison sake, the new courthouse in Austin which broke ground last month, will cost at least $102 million and have 8 floors. The published height before said it would be 135 feet tall. It'll have 252,420 square feet and occupy a full block.

You can read about it here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=173556

miaht82 Sep 18, 2009 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ydoc14 (Post 4461762)
So is $125 million a "highrise" price figure?

Just like Kevin said, depends on many things. But here are some more comparisons just for the sake of comparison. Costs change, but;

St. Louis got a $184 million, 29 story building in 2000. But it is also the largest in the US with close to 1Mil sq. ft.

At about half that size is Jacksonville, with a 14 story, $84 million building, built in 2002.

Our current total size of the entire complex is 292,250 sq. ft and over 600 parking spaces. Something maybe slightly bigger than Austins is probably a good comparison. I believe the number is $142 million for construction.
As is, the buildings would fit side by side on the SAPD lot with no room for parking. The Federal Building, minus the courthouse, is currently 7 stories. Many are saying that the current buildings are way too small. So I would think that we are probably looking at 10 stories, at least, to accomodate for some growth, maybe higher if parking is an issue on that lot.

tgannaway89 Nov 9, 2009 7:46 AM

The SA Federal Courthouse will cost about $142 million and break ground in 2012. It will be located at 214 West Nueva Street, the site of the current Police HQ. A new public safety headquarters to be built across from this site is currently accepting bids through December.

http://gsa.gov/graphics/pbs/FY_2010_...ed_3172009.pdf

Paul in S.A TX Oct 1, 2010 5:48 PM

Federal Courthouse project update! Will there be a new landmark to grace the skyline?
 
Looks like this project will move at a snail's pace. Hopefully it will be a timeless type landmark structre like the Tower Life.


http://www.mysanantonio.com/business...104112109.html


http://i56.tinypic.com/wgvq4y.jpg



The St louis Federal courthouse. I took a few pictures of this buidling when I was in St.Louis back in 2001, it's huge. San Antonio should build something like this, of course San Antonio style.

http://www.usmarshals.gov/district/m...es/stlouis.jpg



I hope they redesign the tower and build something like this. (:

Paul in S.A TX Oct 1, 2010 6:17 PM

http://activerain.com/blogsview/1240...-antonio-texas

KevinFromTexas Oct 1, 2010 6:46 PM

Has anyone read anything about what the square footage would be? That would be helpful in determining how tall it'll be. And yeah, that one in St. Louis is sweet. I believe it's the tallest federal courthouse in the US. It's over 500 feet tall.

KevinFromTexas Oct 1, 2010 6:50 PM

Paul, I merged these two threads. I had forgotten about the one I posted last year, too. By the way, those look to be the same article.

jaga185 Oct 1, 2010 7:05 PM

Holy crap, a new courthouse of that stature would be orgasmic, just saying.

It should definitely incorporate the styles of the city, maybe an Art Deco or Gothic style. I hope it's not a bland cookie cutter, beige building.

This is the time for the city to spark some what of a new era for the city. If our city government want progression and change for downtown, they should start it themselves with a well designed, twenty first century, federal courthouse that will be timeless, something we can be proud of.

Keep-SA-Lame Oct 1, 2010 7:22 PM

Wait, is just the Courthouse moving or is the Federal Building being moved as well?

edit: If the adjacent parking lot is also city property being given to the Feds, that makes for a pretty big lot.

Paul in S.A TX Oct 1, 2010 7:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas (Post 5001159)
Paul, I merged these two threads. I had forgotten about the one I posted last year, too. By the way, those look to be the same article.

Ok... cool thanks!

Daren Oct 1, 2010 8:48 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas (Post 5001151)
Has anyone read anything about what the square footage would be? That would be helpful in determining how tall it'll be. And yeah, that one in St. Louis is sweet. I believe it's the tallest federal courthouse in the US. It's over 500 feet tall.

I think I read somewhere that it is supposed to be about 375,000 sq ft
That was a while back, so that number might have changed by now.

miaht82 Oct 2, 2010 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas (Post 5001151)
Has anyone read anything about what the square footage would be? That would be helpful in determining how tall it'll be. And yeah, that one in St. Louis is sweet. I believe it's the tallest federal courthouse in the US. It's over 500 feet tall.

334,335 sf, but 375,000 sf was also mentioned a couple of years ago.

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Originally Posted by Keep-SA-Lame (Post 5001205)
Wait, is just the Courthouse moving or is the Federal Building being moved as well?

edit: If the adjacent parking lot is also city property being given to the Feds, that makes for a pretty big lot.

The Federal Complex includes the Federal Building. I believe most of those offices will move in the new space as well, although I think I read somewhere that some of the offices were actually moving to the old Courthouse/Post Office.

The current Federal space is 7.66 acres, SAPD - 6.99 acres.

The current property includes 638 spaces, plus all of the street parking. Assuming the new location will include increased parking as well, I tried to envision what the footprint of that would be....
The current configuration over at the county-side (before the new expansion, which will take it to 1,181 spaces,) across the creek from SAPD has a total of 794 spaces, and that takes up a pretty good chunk of land, footprint-wise.
Just for comparison, the Justice Center (including new tower and basement space) totals 493,000 sq. ft. Look at the footprint of that; and one building is 6 floors and the other 11.

KevinFromTexas Oct 2, 2010 12:45 AM

I just looked up the specs for the one in St. Louis. It's 557 feet tall with 28 floors. The square footage is 1,037,375 square feet.

By the way, it's the 2nd tallest judicial/court building in the world. The tallest is the Richard J. Daley Center in Chicago. That building is 648 feet tall with 32 floors, and 1.464 million square feet.

The one that's under construction in Austin is 211,688 square feet. It's only 135 feet tall with 7 floors though, and occupies an entire 275x275 square foot block.

jaga185 Oct 2, 2010 4:33 AM

So this could possibly be 225ft... assuming the footprint is the same, which I know it won't be. This is just my basic calculation here... so you know what I take that back. Does anyone know about what the size of the block is?

KevinFromTexas Oct 2, 2010 9:44 PM

I measured with GoogleEarth, and the new courthouse block is 525 feet on the north side going east to west.

The south side of the block is 507 feet.

The west side is 415 feet.

The east is 529 feet.

I doubt that it will occupy that whole block though. Besides the current police headquarters, there's another small building on the south side of the block facing Graham Avenue. There's also a communications tower next to that building.

The St. Louis courthouse block is 327x425.

ydoc14 Oct 3, 2010 12:41 AM

Let's say the building goes up exactly on the footprint of the SAPD HQ, and doesn't spill over much into the surrounding parking lot. The footprint of the existing building is around 45,000 sq. ft. Let's say the courthouse ends up being 350,000 sq. ft. That would come to about 8 floors of equal footage. Let's say maybe 20' floor heights...that comes to 160' tall.

jaga185 Oct 3, 2010 10:48 PM

Ok, so AT BEST it could be 200ft, but most likely would be 150-160ft... I'll take it.

Lando Oct 5, 2010 8:12 AM

This could be a real nice building. I think 200' is a good height. Hey maybe some of y'all skyscrapers designers on here should do one for this courthouse.:)

Fireoutofclay Apr 22, 2016 10:59 PM

Plan for San Antonio federal courthouse heads to Congress
By Guillermo Contreras
San Antonio Express News
April 22, 2016 Updated: April 22, 2016 2:50pm
http://www.expressnews.com/news/loca...#photo-9881456

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If all goes as planned, San Antonio’s new federal courthouse will have eight courtrooms, 13 judges’ chambers and take up 305,000 square feet, according to the latest plans submitted this week to Congress for a project that has stalled for more than a decade.

Lake Flato Architects began the new San Antonio court’s design phase a few years ago with half of $12 million the federal government set aside for that aspect, Rodriguez has said. Half of the design phase is done and he said it would take six to eight months to finish the rest.


Paul in S.A TX Apr 30, 2016 5:20 PM

[QUOTE=Paul in S.A TX;5001064]Looks like this project will move at a snail's pace. Hopefully it will be a timeless type landmark structre like the Tower Life.


http://www.mysanantonio.com/business...104112109.html


http://i56.tinypic.com/wgvq4y.jpg



The St louis Federal courthouse. I took a few pictures of this buidling when I was in St.Louis back in 2001, it's huge. San Antonio should build something like this, of course San Antonio style.

http://www.usmarshals.gov/district/m...es/stlouis.jpg



I hope they redesign the tower and build something like this. (:

ILUVSAT May 1, 2016 10:25 PM

[QUOTE=Paul in S.A TX;7426389]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul in S.A TX (Post 5001064)
Looks like this project will move at a snail's pace. Hopefully it will be a timeless type landmark structre like the Tower Life.


http://www.mysanantonio.com/business...104112109.html


http://i56.tinypic.com/wgvq4y.jpg



The St louis Federal courthouse. I took a few pictures of this buidling when I was in St.Louis back in 2001, it's huge. San Antonio should build something like this, of course San Antonio style.

http://www.usmarshals.gov/district/m...es/stlouis.jpg



I hope they redesign the tower and build something like this. (:


That would be awesome. But, this is not up to "San Antonio" as to what is built. It's up to the Federal Government.

jeffreininger May 2, 2016 1:12 PM

[QUOTE=ILUVSAT;7427220]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul in S.A TX (Post 7426389)


That would be awesome. But, this is not up to "San Antonio" as to what is built. It's up to the Federal Government.

That building is hideous...in my opinion.

Keep-SA-Lame May 2, 2016 1:53 PM

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/loc...al-6701835.php

The courthouse has already been designed.

The Model May 2, 2016 4:26 PM

Wasn't there a rendering that was out on this maybe a year or two ago? The rendering wasn't very tall, and was more spread out. I know that the rendering will not be what we get here, but it makes me think what they may be thinking too. I'm crossing my fingers for something tall like St. Louis too!

Keep-SA-Lame May 2, 2016 4:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Model (Post 7427867)
Wasn't there a rendering that was out on this maybe a year or two ago? The rendering wasn't very tall, and was more spread out. I know that the rendering will not be what we get here, but it makes me think what they may be thinking too. I'm crossing my fingers for something tall like St. Louis too!


http://www.expressnews.com/news/loca...#photo-9881451

Again, the majority of the Federal courthouse has been designed already. Right now they're working on securing funding from Congress. According to that article they're not done with the design yet, but I can't imagine it would be much different than the latest rendering:

http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/45/54/35...13/920x920.jpg

sakyle04 May 2, 2016 6:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Keep-SA-Lame (Post 7427923)
http://www.expressnews.com/news/loca...#photo-9881451

Again, the majority of the Federal courthouse has been designed already. Right now they're working on securing funding from Congress. According to that article they're not done with the design yet, but I can't imagine it would be much different than the latest rendering:

http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/45/54/35...13/920x920.jpg

So basically it is the same design as St Louis but laid on it's side. ;)

Trillhippy210 May 26, 2016 6:23 PM

SA to get new federal courthouse
 
It’s Official: $144 million Approved for New Federal Courthouse in San Antonio

jaga185 May 26, 2016 6:28 PM

The article did say the design has been in limbo for years and now they can get back to work. There is still just something off about it for me. I'm so glad it was approved though.

AwesomeSAView May 26, 2016 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sakyle04 (Post 7428051)
So basically it is the same design as St Louis but laid on it's side. ;)


How many stories do you think these towers are??

Anyone's guess.....:shrug:

RyanfromTexas Feb 25, 2017 6:39 AM

empty lot?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AwesomeSAView (Post 7454531)
How many stories do you think these towers are??

Anyone's guess.....:shrug:

Anyone know if this project has broken ground yet? Funding approved a year ago...

Urbannizer Oct 28, 2017 7:27 AM

The Incredible Shrinking Federal Courthouse

[quoteSan Antonio (Bexar County) - A revised plan for the new San Antonio federal courthouse is in the works that is substantially smaller in actual size compared to previously presented concepts.

The Fort Worth regional office of the General Services Administration held an outreach meeting in San Antonio on Wednesday for general contractors in order to gauge what interest there would be in doing the project through a design-build delivery method.

The outreach meeting came as something of a surprise given the fact that just over 11 months ago the GSA awarded the construction contract to Austin-based White Construction Co.

White Construction, however, is no longer with the project.[/quote]

https://www.virtualbx.com/files.php?..._658141681.jpg

kingkirbythe.... Oct 28, 2017 1:09 PM

What a disappointment.

jaga185 Oct 28, 2017 6:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kingkirbythe.... (Post 7968241)
What a disappointment.

Cosign

Spoiler Oct 28, 2017 8:16 PM

"No, ma'am, that's the new federal courthouse. The HEB is a couple blocks south."

jaga185 Oct 28, 2017 8:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Spoiler (Post 7968537)
"No, ma'am, that's the new federal courthouse. The HEB is a couple blocks south."

:D
https://i.giphy.com/media/3oEduIdr5sK0A4xH6E/giphy.webp

PDD Oct 28, 2017 9:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kingkirbythe.... (Post 7968241)
What a disappointment.

When it happens, better it happens with projects like the courthouse. Not a skyscraper we're looking forward to being built.

jaga185 Oct 28, 2017 9:44 PM

delete*

jaga185 Oct 28, 2017 9:45 PM

I made two accidental posts, if someone wants to delete both of these posts... that'd be greeeat.

AwesomeSAView Aug 16, 2018 2:44 AM

Anyone have the "new" renderings of the new courthouse announced today?

It will be smaller in square footage, so could that mean it could be taller?:shrug:

Articles on SA news websites say the project has been redesigned.

JRG1974 Aug 16, 2018 4:31 AM

This was the last I saw. Does anyone have something newer?

https://www.virtualbx.com/constructi...al-courthouse/

JRG1974 Aug 16, 2018 4:33 AM

This was the last I saw. Not sure if there has been anything new.

https://www.virtualbx.com/constructi...al-courthouse/

Does anyone have anything newer?

Rynetwo Aug 16, 2018 2:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JRG1974 (Post 8283083)
This was the last I saw. Not sure if there has been anything new.

https://www.virtualbx.com/constructi...al-courthouse/

Does anyone have anything newer?

https://www.bizjournals.com/sananton...a-federal.html

JRG1974 Aug 16, 2018 3:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rynetwo (Post 8283348)

Unfortunately, I think that means the design on the virtualbx site will be the plan. They sure have been real quite on the building and the redesign. Not the worst building in the world, but I would have liked something with a little more grandeur. I think the original design was much nicer. I understand the cost constraints, just wanted more.

Fryguy Aug 16, 2018 5:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRG1974 (Post 8283412)
Unfortunately, I think that means the design on the virtualbx site will be the plan. They sure have been real quite on the building and the redesign. Not the worst building in the world, but I would have liked something with a little more grandeur. I think the original design was much nicer. I understand the cost constraints, just wanted more.

[generally speaking] It is never wise to spend for the now when spending should be done for the future. This project has always been shortsighted to a significant extent. The money made available for this project was appropriated years ago, why they want to continue to use that same initial amount is beyond me. This change, demand changes, and this structure is supposed to be built for decades. Similar to highway projects that take decades (i35), by the time they are finished, they need something more. :koko:

Spoiler Mar 15, 2019 11:00 PM

Ground breaks next week!

https://www.bizjournals.com/sananton..._news_headline

Rynetwo Mar 19, 2019 2:15 PM

https://therivardreport.com/san-anto...al-courthouse/

New look to the courthouse.


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