San Antonio (Alamodome) Cut from World Cup Stadium List
http://goal.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/0...there-were-27/
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Here is the list of the cities (and stadiums) remaining:
Atlanta (Georgia Dome) Baltimore (M&T Bank Stadium) Boston (Gillette Stadium) Charlotte (Bank of America Stadium) Chicago (Soldier Field) Cleveland (Cleveland Browns Stadium) Dallas (Cowboys Stadium)(Cotton Bowl) Denver (Invesco Field at Mile High) Detroit (Ford Field)(Michigan Stadium, Ann Arbor) Houston (Reliant Stadium) Indianapolis (Lucas Oil Stadium) Jacksonville (Jacksonville Municipal Stadium) Kansas City (Arrowhead Stadium) Los Angeles (Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum)(Rose Bowl) Miami (Land Shark Stadium) Nashville (LP Field) New York City (I'm assuming this means the new Meadowlands Stadium) Oakland (Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum) Orlando (Florida Citrus Bowl) Philadelphia (Lincoln Financial Field) Glendale-Phoenix (University of Phoenix Stadium) San Diego (Qualcomm Stadium) San Francisco (Candlestick Park)(Stanford Stadium) Seattle (Qwest Field)(Husky Stadium) St. Louis (Edward Jones Dome) Tampa (Raymond James Stadium) Washington, D.C. (Fedex Field)(RFK Stadium) |
How old is it again? I can't remember off the top of my head.
I think that after UTSA uses it for a couple of years, that it should be scrapped. Maybe by then there will be MLB calling, or at least MLS. I just can't see it being used for much other than that, unless the non-historical eastern edge of the space takes on a bit of a transformation. |
Completed in 1993.
miaht, you're right in implying that it hasn't reached its death quite yet, but this facility is definitely entering its twilight years. If we assume that the building now 16 years old, would it be unreasonable to consider that it is 2/3 used up? Would another 8 years be about right in terms of when the overall viabilty runs negative or do we think it'll be viable long after that? |
It hosts high school all star games and playoff games. It hosts a mid-level college football bowl game. It will be the home of the UTSA football team. Serves as a training camp for the Dallas Cowboys. It has hosted a Final Four in college basketball. It is also a concert facility. I'm sure it also hosts plenty of other events as well. Without the Alamodome quite a few of these events would not happen in San Antonio. It seems to be something you want to keep, unless something better were going to be built.
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HS All-Star games are minimally impactful. AlamoBowl is a nice draw, with quality economic impact. Dallas Cowboys use facility rent-free, so that is a money-loser. Final Four is never coming back. I challenge anyone to name the last concert that was held there. There are, of course, home and garden shows and boat shows, but last i checked plenty of cities without 65,000 seat stadiums could host those. |
Last concert off the top of my head...Luciano Pavarotti.
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when was that? 1999?
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Celine Dion was at the dome not too long ago. Some time in 08.
A time will come when a new stadium will need to be built, under what circumstances, I don't know but building while still operating the dome and then demoing the dome once the other is built is what's going to have to happen. |
Hemisfair Arena - 1973-1995, 22 years
Alamodome - 1993-present, 16 years AT&T Center - 2002 - present, 7 years If we assume that the lifespan of facilities could be considered about similar, and that the dome has taken over partial duties of Hemisfair Arena (high school graduations, some concerts, headstart registration,) we can say that without any major renovations to the place, we can expect it to be done/useless in the next 6-9 years; that'll put the dome at 20-25 years old in 2013 and 2018 respectively. I just hope that better land use is addressed before anything goes up or down at the site of the dome. |
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Imagine the east, north, and south sides of the park lined with mid-rises around a central green space. Imagine!!! |
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There could be several reasons they cut San Antonio. Maybe the dome wasn't the best facility for Soccer, maybe other cities have a better record for supporting the game, maybe it's too hard to fly into the city, maybe the recent crime numbers scared them.
They don't really say, but I bet the larger metros will be the last ones standing (and maybe Indianapolis). |
yeah but it's a year newer than the Georgia Dome it opened in 1992
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Last Concert at the Alamodome
The last concert was held this past November. The Cult played to a crowd of around 10,000. It was the Post Race Concert for the Innagural Rock and Roll Marathon San Antonio.
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^^ OK then..
I am not saying that the Alamodome should eb removed immediately. I just want to be sure we are all aware of the facts to better inform us prior to the next time someone tries to tell us what a magnet it is for events and visitor spending and how we should spend 10s of Millions of $$$ to keep it "current". It is not "current" and we cannot afford to bring it up to "current". So lets agree to enjoy it while it lasts and plan to have a meet-up at the 2025 demolition. |
Different topic, same building:
from bizjournal.com Alamo Bowl is working to bring higher-ranked teams to San Antonio Quote:
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Bringing Oregon State instead of Michigan State will expose a new area of the country to SA. This is true and this is good. It WILL NOT dramatically alter the city's sports profile. When you think San Diego sports, what do you think of...? Chargers? Padres? Wes Mantooth? Holiday Bowl? Exactly. Caveat for the AlamoBowl folks: All these years, they have been oh-so--happy to welcome Midwesterners to town, taking them from snowdrifts to sunshine. That was always listed as a big reason for the Bowl's success in drawing out of towners. Well, what if UCLA is coming to the Alamo Bowl? Weather is no draw and attractions aren't really either. I mean, who wants to fly 4 hours to go to Fiesta Texas when DisneyLand is 20 minutes away? Different to invite people from LA or Tuscon than from Des Moines or Ann Arbor. I am not saying it wouldn't be successful. At this point, the local market will probably support the game and the Big 12 team will usually draw casual fans. But don't think that a Kansas v UCLA game would raise our profile or enhance the city's reputation any more than a Texas Tech v Penn State game. |
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If we list SA sports, we think Spurs,....... High School All-American Bowl, ........ & didn't that Trinity University lateral about 30 times to win some game? Weatherwise, we better hope that a school in Oregon or Washington take the 2 seed. For nationwide coverage and just a larger overall fanbase, we better hope that USC is the 2 seed. Although, that 2 seed will mean nothing if they are playing a 4 or 5 seed from the Big 12. Will it make a difference if its Michigan, Penn State, Oregon or Arizona playing Kansas or A&M? Probably not. USC vs. Texas or OU? Probably. Thats the best case scenario I can see, if they manage to match up that 2 seed with another contender. It might be the "championship game" in some peoples minds since, without a playoff system, nobody agrees on the rankings anyways. It COULD raise the Bowls profile, but how much & is this the only reason the Dome is "useful?" I still think that aside from a miracle, the Dome has become useless. Maybe they can sell it to UTSA and use the money to buy land just East of the Dome to build a baseball stadium. Then we could try to lure MLB here. If that doesn't work, we can get the College World Series a couple times and call it a success.!! |
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Alamo Bowl scores Pac-10 deal
Guess it's official. We'll see what the next move is.
from bizjournals.com San Antonio Business Journal - by W. Scott Bailey Quote:
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Here goes the Dome conversation again.
The main problem with the dome being so out of date is that it wasn't built to compete with the newer stadiums at the time. Political leaders told San Antonians that it was, but it wasn't. The Alamo dome can't hold a candle to the Edward Jones Dome or the Georgia Dome. Those facilities were bi=uilt to house NFL football teams. St. Louis built their dome to draw a team just like San Antonio did, except they built it for a team move in ready. Is the EJ Dome comparable to the domes that have been built in the last couple of years? Not necesarily. It sucks to lose out on a possible World Cup site, but there are a lot of great stadiums in the US. It is very competative to get the World Cup in this country. Most people say that the Alamo Dome is not fit for a NFL franchise...there are 32 teams in the NFL in 31 stadiums, 25 of which I believe are supperior to the Alamo Dome. Even if we made this last cut, it was going to be a highly doubtful that we would have been selected. If UTSA can get its program running as they hope and they move to the FBS the Dome could get new life as a major sports venue (college sports). If everything went great and UTSA got into Conference USA, its home field would be one of the best stadiums in the conference. The stadium may not be up to NFL standards, but it would be a fine college venue. I agree that the Alamo Bowl taking the Holiday Bowl's slot as the Big 12 #3/4 and the Pac 10 #2/3 probably wouldn't do much for tourism throughout the year. But there is a difference in the event itself, especially for the Big 12 schools. It would be a better bowl which would bring more money. In other words it would be a good thing. I think that the two bowls should be on a rotating schedule: the Alamo Bowl the better bowl for two years and then the Holiday bowl for two years, and then repeat. UTSA will build their own stadium before they would ever buy the Alamo Dome. If the city was going to part ways with the dome, you would have to assume that the property is worth more without the dome, but then there is the question on the environmental soundness of that property. It took millions to cleam up the site where the dome is, I'm not sure what is under the parking lots. Over the next 5-10 years a decision will have to be made about the dome, but now with UTSA football coming into the picture and the event in the Alamo Bowl growing in importance San Antonio can't live (you know what I mean) without a football stadium. I would like to see development on East Commerce, River North, and Downtown before on the dome site, but the vision is nice. |
You're right. I guess once I start seeing some more use out of it, it will not seem so useless. UTSA playing there will do all of SA some good.
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The much maligned Alamodome will host a men's sweet 16 regional in 2011.
:cheers: http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/A..._regional.html Quote:
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