PHILADELPHIA | 30th Street Station District | 1,200 FT - 180 FT | 85 - 12 FLOORS
 

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19 towers over 12 floors - Estimated Heights

1,200 FT - 85 FLOORS - Transit Terminal Tower - 2901 Arch Street
705 FT - 47 FLOORS - Cira II - 3001 John F. Kennedy Blvd
670 FT - 45 FLOORS - 2928 Race Street
605 FT - 40 FLOORS - 3100 Cherry Street
590 FT - 40 FLOORS - 2929 Race Street
570 FT - 38 FLOORS - 3000 Baring Street
435 FT - 30 FLOORS - 3100 Winter Street
405 FT - 27 FLOORS - 3120 Race Street
380 FT - 25 FLOORS - 3101 Powelton Ave
375 FT - 25 FLOORS - 3001 Winter Street
330 FT - 22 FLOORS - 3100 Baring Street
320 FT - 20 FLOORS - 3000 Cherry Street
315 FT - 20 FLOORS - 3020 Race Street
305 FT - 20 FLOORS - 3001 Powelton Ave
295 FT - 19 FLOORS - 3100 Hamilton Street
255 FT - 17 FLOORS - 3100 Powelton Ave
225 FT - 15 FLOORS - 3101 Race Street
210 FT - 14 FLOORS - 3100 Spring Garden Street
180 FT - 12 FLOORS - 3125 Baring Street

$6.5B price tag for 35-year University City overhaul

Read more at:http://www.philly.com/philly/busines..._overhaul.html

Phase I
Schuylkill Yards - 8 towers
30th Street Station improvements
Bus Terminal
Cira II - 705 FT

Phase II
Arch and Race Street Pedestrian Bridges
3000 Cherry Street - 320 FT
3100 Cherry Street - 605 FT
3020 Race Street - 315 FT
3120 Race Street - 405 FT
4 other buildings under 12 floors tall

Phase III
Race Street Pedestrian Bridge to Center City
Schuylkill River West Banks
2928 Race Street - 670 FT

Phase IV
Powelton Ave bridge
Schuylkill Bluffs park Phase I
2929 Race Street - 590 FT
3101 Race Street - 225 FT
3100 Winter Street - 435 FT
3001 Winter Street - 375 FT
3100 Powelton Ave - 255 FT
9 other buildings under 12 floors tall

Phase V
Transit Terminal Tower - 1200 FT

Phase VI
Baring St Bridge
Drexel Park extension
Schuylkill Bluffs park Phase 2
Schuylkill Bluffs pedestrian Bridge
3001 Powelton Ave - 305 FT
3101 Powelton Ave - 380 FT
3000 Baring St - 570 FT
3100 Baring St - 330 FT
5 other buildings under 12 floors

Phase VII
3125 Baring St - 180 FT
3100 Hamilton St - 295 FT
3100 Spring Garden St - 210 FT
6 other buildings under 12 floors

The phasing is shown in the video of the project starting at 3:17 here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSGV...ature=youtu.be

Website:
http://www.phillydistrict30.com/

30th Street Station district should not be confused with Schuylkill Yards, which is a separate project. The link to that thread is here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=221324

And here are some larger images:

http://archnews.wpengine.com/wp-cont...wofStation.jpg

http://archnews.wpengine.com/wp-cont...tonVillage.jpg

http://archnews.wpengine.com/wp-cont...CenterCity.jpg

http://archpaper.com/2016/06/amtrak-...lery-0-slide-0

suddenly Philly just became a contender for the top 3 skylines in the USA for 2025

I've been poring over the plan for the last 12 hours or so.

Two interesting tidbits:

- "Amtrak parcel at 30th & JFK" (i.e. the Cira II parcel) is shown suggesting hotel programming
- same parcel is identified as a "priority development parcel" in Phase I

Could this mean the Cira II parcel is developed cotermoniously with later SY phases?

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Surprised no one has posted this semi-plan rendering. (I have no idea how to resize it)

http://static1.squarespace.com/stati...enter+City.jpg

SY is a very concrete development plan being spearheaded by Drexel and Brandywine. Its initial phases are supposed to be starting imminently.

Philly District 30 is the long-term, overarching development plan spearheaded mainly by Amtrak but including a very long list of partners (this includes Brandywine and Drexel). While the render porn aspects north of Arch aren't due to be realized until a 2025-2050 timeframe, its initial phases (reconfiguration and expansion of 30th Street Station) are also planned to start in relatively short order.

Actually, Philly District 30's Phase I is scheduled to be finished around the same time SY is. This is very much on purpose, as SY eats all the easy development parcels around the station, which in turn justifies the Amtrak overbuilds.

Think of where we are as analogous to the very very early parts of the Hudson Yards project ... more than a decade ago.

Well the studies have been done and price tags are being placed. I would say the Schuylkill Yards project is much further along because the backing is there with Drexel. But to have some renderings and figures thrown around it makes things much more exciting.

The short answer is that they are both long-term visions, but they also both have near-term projects that are already in motion.

For Schuylkill Yards, they are planning to break ground in the fall on Drexel Square, the renovation of the Bulletin Building, and an improved MFL head house. They already announced that the first office tower – across JFK from Bulletin – will be 2017/2018, depending on a tenant I suppose. Improvements on JFK will also be advancing.

For the District Plan (which technically includes Schuylkill Yards, by the way), the partner groups announced a series of next steps at the press event yesterday. These essentially reflect the near-term projects listed in the plan documents.
- Preliminary engineering on the MFL to station underground connection
- Further study of the new concourse where the valet garage is today
- Improved station retail
- Advancement of Station Plaza / expansion of the Porch
- Adjustment of expressway off-ramps and layout of bus terminal north of Arch Street
- Not mentioned was changes to Regional Rail access, but these are also coming with SEPTA Key (fare control gates) and likely re-opening the eastern mezzanine to access the tracks.

The rest of the project would still be called a “vision” at this point. But the idea is that these near-term projects continue to build momentum and value to attract the kind of tenants and investment needed for the vertical development. Once that happens, Schuylkill Yards will advance first, and likely the rail yards development (with the exception of maybe the area just north of the station around Cira Centre) would follow only once SY is complete.

It remains to be seen what sort of commitment the City will make towards accomplishing this project. They were not part of the team that sponsored this plan, but yesterday it seemed like they were embracing the plan. Let’s see if they step up with some of the infrastructure – would love to see western riverfront access and the bridge across the Schuylkill at Race Street happen sooner rather than later.

I wouldn't call them visions... more like "long term development plans." Essentially, both developments will happen in some way, shape, or form, but the heights and designs may change or vary.

Basically, Schuylkill Yards is a long-term development between Brandywine and Drexel which will take place over the next 20 years.

The 30th Street Station District is a plan between Amtrak, Brandywine, Drexel, and multiple other large players and will be developed over the next 35 years.

So yes, each plan will happen in some way, shape or form - which is why everybody is excited about the plans. However, each project will be long term.

I mean, they spent several million dollars on just the planning for this development - so they better be serious.

30th Street Station District Green space renderings

Schuylkill Bluffs Park:
https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/RLw...ffs%20Park.png

Highline Park:
https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Lry...031st%20St.png

Race Street Pedestrian Bridge:
https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/xZe...0at%20Race.png

http://philly.curbed.com/2016/3/15/1...lan-renderings

Map labeling the separate parts of the project and Schuylkill Yards:

http://planphilly.com/uploads/media_....752.793.s.png

30th Street Station District Plan to cost $6.5B, add skyscraper to West Philly

http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelp...wine-amtr.html

30th Street Station Development Plans Announced

Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/property/20...WxbXYGMoWPB.99

http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelp...wine-amtr.html

^This is the same link that Summers posted, but I needed to directly quote from the article.
One of the things that will change (hopefully), is relocating the I-76 entrance ramp. That ramp has got to be one of the scariest place to enter. It's definitely a 2 hander on the steering wheel.
Traffic criss-crosses there. It's surprising that there's not a place where you can genuflect before entering. :worship:

Interactive renderings (!) Someone should do screen grabs of some of these, especially the outdoor ones showing new towers.

Bar above Main Hall of Station: http://www.insitevr.com/view/4Jx5I0oVZZ#2

New "North Concourse": http://www.insitevr.com/view/4Jx5I0oVZZ#3

Retail Corridor between North Waiting Room and new concourse: http://www.insitevr.com/view/4Jx5I0oVZZ#4

Underground MFL connection: http://www.insitevr.com/view/4Jx5I0oVZZ#5

Bus terminal: http://www.insitevr.com/view/4Jx5I0oVZZ#6

Station Plaza @ JFK: http://www.insitevr.com/view/4Jx5I0oVZZ#7

Station Plaza @ Market: http://www.insitevr.com/view/4Jx5I0oVZZ#8

We should take bets on when the first tower is built. My guess is that construction will start in the summer of 2030.

Summer of 2021 - you heard it hear first :)

I want to believe!

I've said it before, but this plan is HUGE. This project is only matched in scale and ambition by Hudson Yards in NYC. Besides that, I don't think there is another potential project in the U.S., and few even internationally, that have the sort of intermodal connectivity in a dense, urban setting. That this area can start from scratch so as to have consistency in planning throughout the whole area without having to know any buildings or displace anyone is another is fortunate. Brandywine has a good track record, and the institutional support from SEPTA, Amtrak, and Drexel make this whole thing really promising. I hope companies see the potential here and make it happen sooner rather than later.

Sure the skyscrapers are nice and all but the best part of all of this is what they're planning to do at human scale. the general area of 30th Street has never been terribly accommodating to pedestrians and even rather decent efforts to place-make there like The Porch (awful name) still exist as an oasis in the midst of a swirl of traffic. Rebranding necessarily means recreating here. The renders of more appealing streetscape along 30th Street are encouraging as well as that ambitious connection to 30th St MFL/SST.

We've been fed tons of drawings of happy people frolicking in new parks under soaring towers before but I'm noticing a difference in the names of the entities involved from this latest imaginefest and those from years past...many private and quasi-public organizations are involved but nowhere among them will you find 'City of Philadelphia'. Perhaps that's why this seems so possible.

This project and SY will result in a new "Center City". It's nice to see Philly competing with other cities like Miami.

Looking at this image started me to thinking more about 'place-making'.



30th Street Station needs no help making its presence known but looking at the Regional Rail platforms and the canopy over them brought my mind to what's been done to Denver Union Station and plans for DC Union. Considering the architecture that's envisioned for SY and the 30th Street plan, I don't suppose that some unifying modern symbol between the classic structure of the train station and the rest of the developed buildings would be too unreasonable.

I wouldn't imagine anything on a grand scale like below and the current canopy over the platforms is vintage and beautiful but maybe it's worth a think.

Denver:


architecturalrecord.com

Washington, D.C.


architecturalrecord.com

Picture it from here:

Brandywine's CEO made it clear that Schuylkill Yards will be developed first. 30th Street development, north of the station, won't occur for over a decade. And that is assuming everything goes will with Schuylkill Yards.

Holy shit yo. This city is on fire. Building three real supertalls. Nice to see it happen now quickly. It did be very cool.

So is this the new version of River City? 😜

Are the faded towers Schuylkill Yards?

Yes

Philly continues to impress!

Yes sir. Here is the same image labelled so it's a little more clear which towers are included in this plan, which are already built or under construction, and which towers are included in the Schuylkill Yards plan.

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0...58&oe=57C1A470

From left to right:

FMC Tower - under construction - 49 floors - 736 FT
Evo - complete - 33 floors - 430 FT
Schuylkill Yards Towers - 8 towers planned - 70 floors to 28 floors - 1,095 FT to 375 FT
Cira II - planned as a part of the 30th Street Station District - 47 floors - 705 FT
Cira Centre - complete - 28 floors - 434 FT
Transit Terminal Tower - planned as a part of the 30th Street Station District - 85 floors - 1,200 FT
Remainin 30th Street Station District towers - 17 towers planned - 45 floors to 12 floors - 670 FT to 180 FT

Nice. Just FYI, the camera in this rendering is about 100 feet above the CITC spire and just a bit farther east. It will roughly be the view from the very top. The tower is not shown in the image so it doesn't block any of the rail yard development.

However, you can see it in all other renderings where it would appear on the skyline :cheers:

The proposed cap and buildings are amazing, but what really gets me excited are the plans around 30th street station - a new tunnel connecting the El/trolleys to the station, reopening the north concourse, new access to the SEPTA and Amtrak platforms, completely changed traffic patterns, an expanded 'porch' on the south side, a new plaza just to the west of the station where a parking lot is now and a new intercity bus station just to the north. The best part is that most of these improvements are scheduled to be built in the next ten years or so - before the bulk of the buildings are built.

idk about getting into the top 3 but definitely top 5. Top 3 will almost certainly be NYC, Chicago, and Miami. 4 and 5 are gonna be SF and Philly, and they'll have to duke it out to see who gets 4.

Philly is still underdeveloped too in a lot of spots considering its age-- if it's ever built out and up to all its potential...wow. One can dream. But I'm very hopeful after seeing all the plans laid out in the last year for this, and Schuylkill Yards, and the general trajectory of the city the last 20 years.

The western expansion of the skyline was and is inevitable--due to 30th Street Station, the universities, and large portions of underdeveloped lands along the river.

Along with hoping these plans all come to fruition over the next 20 years, I'm hoping the Delaware River finally becomes the waterfront neighborhood it should be -- lined with apt/condo towers, a light rail, city parks, and a fun bar scene. Some day. Anyways, exciting times in the olde Birthplace of America. It will be fun to go back to these comments/posts years down the road to see how things develop, and if our optimism becomes reality. Cheers.

Plus, throw in the proposed high-speed rail station at Market East, and eastern skyline development becomes even more likely. :yes:

Not that it matters but philly's skyline is already better than miami's. Miami has volume but they're cookie cutter generic condo towers

Not to get to much into city-vs-city stuff (which, to be fair, is natural when talking about future projects like this), the premise was for 20 years in the future. If things pan out, Miami's skyline will be pretty awesome 20 years from now.

Meh, skylines arent the be all end all for cities, I'd argue it's much more important how they look at street level, where Philly excels and other cities who shall not me named do poorly despite having a few more tall buildings. That being said I'm glad this project will extend the skyline, and I hope great attention is given to how these buildings affect the pedestrian experience.

Who has the photoshop skills to combine some rivercity renderings with this one?

Very true but them there tall buildings have a romantic effect on people's eyes. It starts at the street of course - Midtown Manhattan wouldn't be quite the same with the same kind of street activity that you'll find around 21st and Race at 11pm on a weeknight. One thing tends to lead to the other, though, especially in an older organic city like ours.

This is so so so important. Rarely does a good ground level come out of an idea with so many aerial renderings of pretty glass buildings. What we don't see is where the exhausts, blank walls, utility driveways and such are. Based on the names in the plan and the groundwork that has been done so far I do hope and think we are looking to extend the ideal behind the porch and not the one behind the really awful new Drexel dorms. While those that just care about pretty pictures ooh and ahh at the these renderings, the rest of us are crossing our fingers for a ground level that isn't nearly at monolithic.

Yes, absolutely.

If you look at the plan, there is actually way more attention paid to the public realm and ground level than big towers. It's just that the 6 or so fancy renderings with towers got all the press. There are 20+ eye level renderings in the plan showing various interventions within the station, public realm improvements, etc.

My dreams are coming true!!!!!:d:d:d

Welcome to the forum! :cheers:
Might have to wait a while for those dreams though. :D

!!!!!!!:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d

Sorry to be a little off topic. But I just want to say I hope they build some of this sooner ha. I got the call nobody ever wants to get earlier this week. I went from thinking I was a completely healthy 26 y/o to being diagnosed with a rare form of non hodgkin's lymphoma. So if Brandywine, if you are out there, please convince Vanguard to move to a new super tall and I can watch it as I get treatment at UPenn. Fate has sealed the deal, I won't be making it to the end of this plan.

^ I'm sorry to hear that! You will be alive and well. In the upcoming years there will be a lot of good surprises medicine and treatment wise for various illness, cancer ect.

Thanks man. It's been very tough for my family and especially my fiancé. We have built such a wonderful life in Philadelphia and just moved to Rittenhouse a month ago. I love following all the posts from everyone and I really want to be here to see the city at its full potential. I have faith that Penn will deliver the best care possible.

^ Prayers and best wishes.

I am so sorry to read this. I wish you an incredibly successful treatment. I am so sorry.

B 17 / Laetrile worked for my friend. I think it has to be taken in large dosages. I've almost died many times (in the most horrific way) from UC, you've got this.

Also I'd recommend a very pure diet. Only food from the amish at reading terminal and absolutely nothing with sugar in it. Also only < 15 ppm water from either an in house distiller or RO filter. That's the only thing that works for me.