Agreed, it's nice to see a building going in that space that isn't an apartment building.

Are there any rumors on who's occupying the office space? Their site says "Retail and office space are available Q1 2021." however I'm curious if that date will stick.

It looks like the Port approved the permit for Harbor Park to be built directly in front of the Gaylord Pacific Resort and Convention Center.

http://https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/growth-development/story/2020-12-09/harbor-park-a-47-5m-coastal-attraction-in-chula-vista-okd-by-port

https://www.portofsandiego.org/press...al-development

Just a cool shot from a webcam


https://resource4.earthcam.net/v0/ob...JjyzaSLQ!!.jpg

It looks like another attempt to develop Fifth Avenue Landing is rejected. Some port commissioners believe the project is too large for the site, among other objections. One quote from the article jumps out at me.

Port commissioners reject $455 million hotel project on San Diego’s downtown bayfront

Is it really reasonable to expect the California Coastal Commission to reject an 800 room hotel when the Hilton San Diego Bayfront is right next door? That hotel already has 1,190 rooms with the option of a second tower adding approximately 500 rooms and 55,000 net square feet of ballroom/meeting space.

This is probably just all politics because they are fighting the courts to approve Measure A or whatever it was because it was a voter ballot initiative that got 65% and the City is desperate for the funding and jobs to build the convention center expansion etc.

If they approve this is it will muck up the CC expansion effort.

Super vaccine station being built in tailgate park.

(From Reddit)

https://preview.redd.it/5jyg3po0qea6...=webp&e03a851a

More info on the Seaport San Diego redo:

What’s happening with Seaport San Diego, the $2.5B redo of downtown’s Central Embarcadero?

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https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/d...-201810-13.png

I gotta say, of all the projects I expected might be delayed/canceled by COVID, this was the one I thought most likely. Good to see there's still some motion behind it.

Little Italy site clearing



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Glad to see that Little Italy project moving forward. I also saw earth moving equipment at the last lot of La Jolla Commons just west of the 805. It was 2 things not massive tractors so we shall see if something is brewing there.

Hmm, well the whole site was sold in 2019, including the entitled lot.

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-r...alifornia.html

According to Open DSD the sites permits expire in 2023, so they gotta get crackin or get an extension.

https://opendsd.sandiego.gov/Web/Pro...Details/324553

Nice hopefully they do get cracking because that is a waist of space.

Also noticed a decent amount of the parking lot at UTC probably 2 to acres right next to the new tower in SW Corner of property is fenced off with heavy equipment parked on it... Hmm any word of another tower going in there? Why not with malls and retail looking rough in the coming years keep adding housing!! :cheers:

I don't know of any other towers at UTC, I recall them maybe developing some office, but, who knows? It's hard to keep track these days lol

Will, please help me understand this *again* :haha:

Oh god this article.... :irked:

The height limit thing is, again, removing the 500' above sea level limit. Not the 500' above ground level. So if your site is on a 30' hill, you can build a 500' tower instead of a 470' one.

Regarding "rules for housing under flight paths", state law says every airport needs an Airport Land Use Compatibility Plan (ALUCP) that lays out land usage restrictions for noise, safety, etc. The regional airport authority, which runs SDIA, makes one for each airport in the county based on state and FAA guidance. One of those guidelines says you're not supposed to allow any housing within 6000' feet of a runway end... a rule that just about every airport in California breaks because they didn't start making these ALUCPs until the early 2000s. So instead, they all just froze housing density at whatever it was when they adopted the ALUCP.

A local jurisdiction, like the City of San Diego, can override the ALUCP if it wants to. But then it also assumes all legal liability if, say, an airliner runs into the housing block they just approved. Because of the potential liability issues most cities approve these exemptions on a case by case basis. But then most cities aren't San Diego, where practically half the city is within a mile of one runway or another, and there's constant requests for exemptions. So the city got together and laid out a map of potential exemptions they'd allow, and basically tells the authority "we're preapproved everything on here". Saves everyone time really.

Man I wish journalists would spend a little more time trying to understand what they're writing about instead of being vague and confusing.

Thanks, Will!

Does the 500 foot limit extend to 17th street? I don’t expect anything over 500 feet but wasn’t sure if the 500 foot rule covered all of downtown or dropped lower still in parts (not counting the height from sea level nonsense). Also any idea what the height limit is once you cross over the 5 past downtown?

Here's a map:

https://i.imgur.com/euYKSvz.jpg


The Part 77 surfaces in this chart are recommended height limits, which are just 166.8 feet over most of downtown. Cities can elect to override them, but the State of CA restricts anything that exceeds the recommendations to no more than 500 feet above ground. From the outermost circle, the 500 foot limit extends almost to the Coronado bridge. I would note that this image only includes San Diego International, North Island and Montgomery Field have their own airspace limitations.

As you can see the Part 77 surfaces do get lower closer to the airport, but determining the actual height limit before you start impacting flight operations is a more complex topic.

Thanks. I didn’t realize it went that far out. Using Mapquest it’s showing that’s a 6.6 mile drive from 30th street to the airport. That map shows you’d probably be into 32nd street before you could ever think about a building over 500 feet if it was allowed. I was just curious as lack of housing becomes tighter in the state and the cities here get more pressure from the state to build dense if the downtown area would bleed over at some point into the surrounding lower built areas of the city. Didn’t expect anything over 500 feet but maybe more pressure to build higher on the cities outer limits. 2020’s events have paused things for now but the state seemed set on forcing changes to the cities here about building higher (more dense). Downtown bleeding outward seemed a natural event...

True, but once can achieve density without overwhelming height. I've seen planning documents that show it's physically feasible for downtown San Diego to fit over 200k+ residents with population density greater than Manhattan, without removing the 500' limit. The trick is to increase FAR limits. Low and stocky is just as good at creating density as tall and thin, and often cheaper to boot.

Note: supporting populations larger than ~100k would require significant improvements in infrastructure, especially public transit. Downtown is currently scoped for 90k residents, about 3x its current population.

Got a picture of whatever is going up on 14th and Imperial while taking my sister to the Vaccine Super Station

https://i.imgur.com/4DGraD7.jpg?1

Nice infill!

That building is affordable housing built by Father Joe's Villages. If original construction timelines stick, it should be done around this time next year.

Father Joe’s Breaks Ground On Affordable Housing High Rise

I'm too lazy to read into the community plans, but my guess would be aside from densifying downtown that there would be a more concerted push for more housing stock in Midway now that the 30' coastal zone height limit exemption was approved, parts of Mission Valley (Riverwalk/SDSU:MV), and perhaps portions of Bay Park (lots of NIMBYs but gets trolley) and UTC (I'm assuming they can accommodate more residential high-rises plus trolley). Basically follow the trolley for major environmental incentives for dense residential plus lower parking requirements.

Will, thank you for setting the record straight on the height limits. Are those part 77 surfaces translatable to any jet rated runway, as in: are the same offsets and heights applicable to Miramar and North Island just reoriented to the ends of their runways?

Part 77 is applicable to any federally approved airport runway, regardless of size. However, the requirements are more stringent for military runways.

Which brings us to the subject of North Island, because I'm sorry to say San Diego International isn't the only one restricting the heights downtown...

https://i.imgur.com/pnMldju.jpg

Here's a diagram of North Island's part 77 surfaces. The surface in green is at 525.9' above sea level. As before, any building that breeches it is limited to just 500' in height. So if you got rid of San Diego International, the tallest thing you could build would be... 525.9'. Provided you built it at sea level, because every foot of ground height is a foot you lose in building height, until you reach 500' and then it doesn't matter anymore.

Honestly though, I tend to forget North Island's airspace restrictions exist because they come up so little. San Diego International has a more direct impact on downtown, and Coronado isn't exactly encouraging upward growth. The Authority only got around to approving an ALUCP for North Island in October, nearly 20 years after the state started mandating them. The delay was due to the lack of urgency to protect North Island's airspace, and Coronado's fear that any document that acknowledges they live near a military airbase will decrease home values.

Good Construction News
 

The massive 370 Unit Lennar Project at Park Blvd and the very west end of El Cajon Blvd is now fully under way. Huge density for University Heights :cheers:

I have also seen some nice infill in the old parts of La Mesa as well. The Jefferson is the largest of the projects but there are a sprinkling of smaller ones as well.

Plus Otay Ranch (The giant empty lot behind the movie theatre at mall) now finally being filled with 900 Apartments. The East Side of Chula Vista is quietly becoming very built up. I was on a hill looking east towards the mall and the built environment looked chunky and impressive from that angle. Go CV go :tup:

Then down off the 905 and Caliente exit tons of stuff being built as well, the SouthSide is rising son! :notacrook:

NEW PROPOSALS THREAD!
Toll Brothers are proposing "The Milano" which would be located in front of the new Carté Hotel. The tower would consist of 37 stories and have 356 apartments.

https://i.imgur.com/tpNx3no.png

CA Ventures is proposing 800 broadway which would be located right behind Broadway Block by Bosa (8th and Broadway)

https://i.imgur.com/z5VAaFM.png

Cast Development is proposing "The Fellow" in East Village and would consist of 19 stories and have 129 apartments.

https://i.imgur.com/V38umGn.png

Bosa Development is proposing 8th and B and would consist of 40 stories and will have 514 apartments and have a 0.5-acre park.

https://i.imgur.com/iqv4VBj.png

Finally, we have Broadway Suites which would consist of 20 stories and have 317 hotel rooms.

https://i.imgur.com/H9YFqzw.png
https://i.imgur.com/SB5pSsq.png

Thanks, Nv! Where did you find all these?

BOSA Shifting Business Model
 

Interesting, he is focusing on building rentals in the Core (Not really East Village) and not building his approved condo tower next to Pacific Gate or the one on the block he owns next to Harbor Club.

I've always hated that 8th and B surface parking lot caddy corner to Symphony Towers with a passion so I'm really hoping this one breaks ground before the bubble bursts.

Side Note: I was in Carlsbad and walked around extensively last Thursday and the Village is becoming slightly impressive. There are three new 4 floor developments that have wrapped up recently one is maybe 6 months away but the structure is up.

The downtown is really getting extended North along State St with one project wrapping up and a fairly major one that was approved in October and should break ground soon.

Last North County Note: The old hospital site of Pomerado Medical in downtown Escondido will finally be moving forward with 450 units on 13 acres... A bit underwhelming but hey its housing in their downtown. Heard a couple more projects in or near the downtown recently were approved.

Yeah no problem :)! They're from the Downtown Interactive Map (formerly Civic SD map) It seems that the city has updated it in terms of projects around downtown.
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/webappvi...74826c0553c575

Thanks for that! Really does look like 500' is the true limit even if SDIA up and left because of North Island since as you implied, ground elevation is in the 25' range where the 525'MSL limit kicks in so the Caltrans 500' limit triggers basically all over downtown. Oh Coronado...:D

@mello: I recall an article from 2019 where he said development on the waterfront was overheated and PG was having difficulty filling up. By the looks of it that situation still stands.

@dl3000: The process was made even better by the military's tendency towards blunt honesty. Civilian organizations will bend over backwards to disassociate their language from what they actually do. They're "Airport Safety Comparability Zones" where "land use policies and standards should should be intended to reduce the adverse consequences of accidents". The military calls them Accident Potential Zones, tells you they've calculated there will be an average of one aircraft crash per 8.1 acres over a 30 year period, and say you should eliminate all housing in the area.

Does anybody know what's getting built on Euclid Avenue south of the 94 and north of Market St (@ Hilltop)?

Seems to be a large project

Do you have any link to this project? A quick google search didn't reveal much. It's a great location for a good-sized project.


A lot of uninspired designs in there (The Fellow is kind of cool though). But for Core projects that will serve to fill in skyline gaps, I say hurry up and build them!

UT had a big article about financing for Hotel projects drying up in DT. Do you guys see Cisterra moving forward with 7/th and Market but instead of having the Ritz Carlton just make them regular condos at the top of the project?

Might as well rework the project a bit a build something in this cycle if you can.

Update on Escondido old Pomerado Site: 510 units on 14 acres.... Was approved for 800. Hopefully there is some nice park space or public amenities integrated in to it so downtown Escondido can have something nice.

Streamliner: No link to that project I got the 370 unit figure from the owner of a liqour store/deli on Park Blvd a couple blocks away. He is in the know, been the owner for 10 years.

UTC La Jolla Parcel just west of 805 (La Jolla Commons) the 3rd pad that has been empty for years now has a port o potty and earth moving equipment on it. Come on 3rd tower :cheers:

The University Heights project is called The Winslow and will have 379 units with 7 stories and one below grade parking level. A 15,000 square foot CVS and 542 parking spaces. It’s amenity package will include a pool, coworking space, private dog park, fireside lounge with catering kitchen and fitness center. They just received a $113 million construction loan which recently made the news. What Now San Diego just did an article with some great renderings but couldn’t figure out how to post them here.

Thank you! I found the article here:
https://whatnowsandiego.com/cvs-to-a...hts-mixed-use/

The official brochure is here:
https://whtnwmg.sfo2.cdn.digitalocea...he-Winslow.pdf

Here are the photos:

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What project is going up just East of the downtown police station?

Huge hole in the ground right now

Makers Quarter: Block A. I think.

https://i.imgur.com/QZqQuMC.jpg

Its called Jefferson Makers Quarter

https://carrierjohnson.com/site-clea...arter-project/

https://images1.loopnet.com/i2/nceQc...to-1-Large.jpg

Well, the Terminal 1 replacement project at SAN is still rolling and appears to be on-time with the 8/2019 schedule :cheers:
https://www.san.org/news/news-detail...tional-airport

Photo of the Horton Plaza redevelopment from reddit:

https://i.redd.it/349uuvmdm2i61.jpg

Source

That is a massive affordable housing project that was delayed for 3 years because of some neighborhood oppostion or city didnt disclose something i forget the details. It should have been finished by now but typical SD style is just getting started. I think it is atleast 250 units possibly up to 350.

Try searching: affordable housing development Euclid ave to find articles. More building should be coming just south of there where the Churchs Chicken is being torn down. At lot has been planned for over a decade in that area due to being at the trolley stop.

So you guys like... San Diego building... Stuff?

It's only the most prolific time in the last decade for major projects across the county/city and this thread is dead.

Bummer. I'll try and get out there and shoot some photos.

New construction starts: Pinnacle 2 is under constructing next to Pinnacle 1 that's wrapping up construction. 37 story tower by Holland Partner is also under construction by Broadway and 4th street. 2 towers are under construction in Little Italy which one is almost done on A street. A few blocks down: hole is nearing the bottom.

Recent assessment of Downtown SD by walking and checking the pulse: downtown still has way too many parking lots and vacant sites. There is a lot of blight along C street, Broadway, and east of 7th street and west of Market in East Village. There are pockets of vibrancy now and before covid downtown, and half of downtown is completely dead, particularly in the heart. Vibrancy: Gaslamp, Little Italy and waterfront. Rest dead and tons of homeless people and mentally ills. Downtown needs more infill. The whole city: lacking sport teams with just one, quality airport that is not very modernized from the outside, Fortune 500 companies and tv series based on the city. Lastly, most of the city is suburban by 2/3 and lacking urban density as a city as a whole.

Which are Pinnacle I and II? The only Pinnacle twin developments are the red and yellow ones that finished years ago.

11th and Broadway(white/beige) https://sdcranewatch.wordpress.com/2...nnacle-towers/

The Holland Partner project (220 W. Broadway / Courthouse Commons) is always busy when I walk by and the excavation looks deep. I'll try and snap a photo the next time I'm nearby.

Holland Partner, that Vancouver Washington company has done justice to Downtown San Diego and built a lot of needed apartments in areas that need development. Bosa and Pinnacle are the stewarts of Downtown San Diego. I really don't know where downtown would be without them. Downtown's saving grace!!!

I saw exterior light testing on Pinnacle's nearly completed Tower I on Broadway&11th. The extruded wall/pilaster feature that runs from the base to the roof and cantilevers over the roof (cantilever still under construction) has some LED strip lights running the length of the extruded wall, it changes color too! Should look neat when both buildings are lit up at night.

The tiny 2 story California Inn that they're supposed to restore and put back will look so out of place when its finished (I am glad they kept it). I wonder where it went after they removed it from the site, it would be nice to be able to see the restoration progress. :shrug: