ozone said:

When I read this and think about what Las Vegas, Phoenix, and Fresno might all be criticized for (i.e. "bad rap"), I would think for being car-oriented, with uninteresting urban environments.

You replied:

It implies that you thought whatever criticism he was offering of Vegas, Phoenix, and Fresno, was also valid against Sacramento. But, you're right, you did not say explicitly why you thought, based on where he lives, that his critique of those cities was preposterous. So, why do you think that?

Yes it can lol A train in Dubai or Beijing or Tokyo or NYC are still trains. People are still people on those trains.

I never said "gosh I really love big government in Dubai or China keeping people in line(although Tokyo kills them in this respect)." I just said riding the train in those places is better and more pleasant than in the USA.

They are comparable because they are all examples of people on trains.

KEY WORD: "implies". And that's "implies" in YOUR opinion.

Reaching, much?

Yes, I would have to imply because you weren't clear. If you don't want to be misinterpreted then be clear about what you're saying.

Jacksonville's skyline. It just doesn't get enough respect compared to others, especially Toronto's.

I literally wrote:

"says the guy based in Sacramento"

The ONLY thing that statement "implies" is that a guy from Sacramento only believes Sacramento has an undeserved bad rap because he's FROM Sacramento.

It "implies" NOTHING ELSE.

Methinks YOU need to be clear on what YOU interpret. :rolleyes:

I think you should go reread the thread.

I think LA gets about the right amount of love and respect. While some tired clichés and stereotypes still linger, I think they no longer completely drive the narrative like they did as recently as the mid-2000s. Most of it is simply due to civic maturation/evolution and the ability to access content very easily these days.

The most outdated "bad rap" stuff:

1) LA's very dangerous
2) LA's not a good sports town
3) LA's nothing but transplants
4) Everyone is obsessed with celebrities / wants to be famous
5) A huge proportion of the female population has had plastic surgery, botox, and breast augmentations
6) Every other person is a surfer or skater
7) "86 suburbs in search of a city"

I feel like every other negative trait still has at least some degree of truth to it and is therefore a legitimate knock.

Doing so wouldn't change the fact that you interpreted a message that was in no way, shape or form "implied" (except in YOUR OWN head).

The criticisms of Sacramento often come from a visitors perspective or in comparison to say nearby San Francisco. And at one time what people say about Sacramento would have been true. But it's changed quite a bit. For years, going back to the late 19th Century Sacramento suffered from a "cultural drain" to San Francisco. Now that it has become prohibitively expensive that becoming reversed. I'm not from here but even if were that wouldn't necessarily invalidate my opinion anymore than someone from Las Vegas or Phoenix defending those cities. Neither Las Vegas or Phoenix have a substantial historic walkable urban core that come close to Sacramento. In fact, judged by traditional markers of good urban environments they fail miserably. Los Angeles gets a bad rap for that too but I think that's unfair, there has always been more there than people gave it credit for and its especially true now that they've been infilling like mad and are building a huge rail system.

I never been to Sacramento and don't even know what it looks like but I already know it's better than Vegas.

Las Vegas seems far superior over Sac to me. I am extremely familiar with Vegas and admittedly its one of my favorite cities in the world. I travel through Sac and have explored it and it was a pretty cool city. I usually stop there for a day if I'm traveling to Tahoe unless I take 395.

Why do you act so childish?

Really, Vegas? Yikes, lol.

^ 2019: the year "pointing out facts" became the equivalent of "acting childish" to the ultra sensitive, soft, PC digital community.

if my choice was vegas vs. just about any other US city with a major league sports team, i can tell ya vegas probably ain't winning.

not my cup of tea at all.

No need to explain. YOUR opinion is aligned with the majority, just as most people would find NYC, San Francisco and LA to be superior to Sacramento, too.

Just because a poster or two here has a love affair with one of America's most disappointing state capitals (and underwhelming cities in general), it doesn't negate the fact that Las Vegas is widely considered one of the most unique cities in the US (if not the world), and that it attracts millions more visitors annually than the aforementioned cow town.

Yes I much enjoy Vegas. Amazing recreation, world class food, entertainment capital of the world, shows on the same level of about any other city, airport with tons of direct flights, little traffic, nice roads, hours from the ocean/Mexico/Sierra's, cheap and great food around the city, cheap housing, low taxes, world class shopping, and I love the desert.

I also love the six lane roads and though that isn't most people's cup of tea here.... if you are into the biking/walking everywhere thing using mass transit DTLV is making great progress on that end and it is only a matter of time before we see more proposals.

If you just aren't down with the vibe to each their own. I love it.

I like a three day weekend in Vegas as much as the next alcoholic, but as a place to call home, I would take Los Angeles (and just about any other city) any hour of the day over Vegas.

same.

although, now that i'm in my 40s, even the 3 day bachelor party bender in vegas holds little appeal for me these days.


and as a place to actually live?

day-to-day, everyday?

no fucking way.