SkyscraperPage Forum - NEW YORK | 3 WTC - 175 Greenwich St. | 1,079 FT

SkyscraperPage Forum (https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/index.php)

- Buildings & Architecture (https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=397)

- - NEW YORK | 3 WTC - 175 Greenwich St. | 1,079 FT | 80 FLOORS (https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=235550)

NEW YORK | 3 WTC - 175 Greenwich St. | 1,079 FT | 80 FLOORS

Turned out to be a great building imo.

Now on to 2WTC to wrap things up! :)

We wrap things up after 2WTC, 5WTC, and Performing Arts Center are complete ;):cheers:

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayden (Post 8296488)

Turned out to be a great building imo.

Now on to 2WTC to wrap things up! :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by winlinmac001 (Post 8296638)

We wrap things up after 2WTC, 5WTC, and Performing Arts Center are complete ;):cheers:

Is the Performing Arts Center still even planned? I haven't heard anything about it in a long time (though that's partially my fault because I don't keep myself up to date on NYC projects).

Back to the main topic, I wish that the crown and spires had not been removed from the design, but otherwise 3WTC is a good-looking building and a nice companion to 1WTC.

Quote:

Originally Posted by spidey7312 (Post 8296798)

Not many updates lately; I have't heard anything new all year. REX Architects did design a building.

Here's the SSP thread: https://www.skyscraperpage.com/forum...=196755&page=4

I spoke too soon. Looks like construction has already started on the Performing Arts Center! NY YIMBY published this 8 hours ago:

https://newyorkyimby.com/2018/08/con...de-center.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 8295918)

3.
http://a4.pbase.com/o10/06/102706/1/...c081418_9b.JPG

I'm thrilled WTC 3 is done, but boy that's some unfortunate "street art." Do I really have to say what the orange and yellow "tadpoles" remind me of? :uhh:

They need to stop beating around the bushes (especially with silly artwork) and build Norman Foster's Plan and get over it. Its like a bunch preschoolers fist-fighting on the basketball court. It's really got to stop. The only way to attract interest is to issue incentives to potential tenants, especially lead-tenants, which also include and not limited to green energy initiatives (tax-deductible) and lower rent per square foot cost. No one is ever going to pay an erroneous amount amidst knowing the site's previous history.

After that, the Port Authority needs to act on the former site of the Deutsche Bank Building as well.

It should still rightfully be called the World Trade Center. Its not just for monetary trade, but a trade of fresh ideas and a new beginning.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArtDecoRevival (Post 8308214)

I'm thrilled WTC 3 is done, but boy that's some unfortunate "street art." Do I really have to say what the orange and yellow "tadpoles" remind me of? :uhh:

Quote:

Originally Posted by winlinmac001 (Post 8310382)

Fosters > BIG

Building BIG would be a BIG mistake!

Hopefully we can get some pics of the offices soon.

Some architectural images from New York

It looks like the Church Street sidewalks have been fully restored for the first time in a little over a decade. I haven't walked completely across since 2007 or so when the first temporary PATH terminal was still up. The only things remaining for 3WTC are one little patch of tile and temporary equipment storage on the north side, and the southwest mall entrance.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArtDecoRevival (Post 8308214)

I'm thrilled WTC 3 is done, but boy that's some unfortunate "street art." Do I really have to say what the orange and yellow "tadpoles" remind me of? :uhh:

LOL. Guess your tadpole idea hits my head. Anyways, this place is great. And nice shot of this!

Does anyone have an idea of what those two things are within the circle?

https://i.imgur.com/HMzGBui.png

Does anyone know whether the connection between 3WTC's lobby and the mall concourse has opened yet?

A new look at Westfield World Trade Center's 3WTC portion currently under construction:

https://youtu.be/mm025XXby-4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enigmatism415 (Post 8608383)

A new look at Westfield World Trade Center's 3WTC portion currently under construction:

https://youtu.be/mm025XXby-4

Jeez, half the animation was just stock footage haha.
Nice design though.

Surprised this hasn't been posted yet!

Uber set to sign massive lease at 3 World Trade Center

Ride-hailing juggernaut Uber is about to sign a massive lease at 3 World Trade Center, where it will relocate its New York headquarters, according to a new report.

The deal will give the ride-hailing app seven floors, totaling more than 300,000 square feet, with an option to take an eighth floor for an additional 50,000 square feet, Crain’s New York Business reported on Friday.

https://nypost.com/2019/09/13/uber-s...-trade-center/

Gorgeous! I love how the new complex capitalizes on the angles of the sun and fully embraces it!

While the construction of 3 WTC is complete, new dining places at the base of the building are still opening up. Sweetgreen (facing south Oculus Plaza) opened up in late October.

https://www.nrn.com/sites/nrn.com/fi...?itok=ROpzADDD

https://nmgprod.s3.amazonaws.com/med...0x1000_q85.jpg

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net...26&oe=61A178C0

https://www.nrn.com/sites/nrn.com/fi...?itok=V5GmIWzn

From 21:35 to 21:43 in this video, a pan up and down from Cortlandt Street looking west to the WTC site shows 4 WTC to the left and 3 WTC to the right in a twin-like configuration.

When/if 2 WTC is complete, the view from Fulton Street looking west might look similar, although 3 WTC and 2 WTC will be farther part horizontally and the Oculus will be just to the left of 2 WTC, rather than 3 WTC being just to the left of 2 WTC (unlike how 4 WTC is just to the left of 3 WTC when viewed from the east).

Viewing the Lower Manhattan Skyline drives me nutz knowing how the initial crown 👑 of 3WTC was intended before being decapitated. That extra 50 meters + luminescent spires would of made a world of difference. Must drive the architects over at Roders & SOM crazy.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a215d722_h.jpg

https://s3.eu-central-1.amazonaws.co...1-1002x846.jpg
Source: dbox, courtesy of Silverstein Properties

After the opening of Sweetgreen in 2021, another restaurant, Fogo de Chão, is currently planned to open sometime in 2024:

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-r...de-Center.html

Quote:

The new 5,009-square-foot restaurant is scheduled to open in 2024 at The Oculus at Westfield World Trade Center, the largest shopping complex in Manhattan with 125 retail shops.

Located at the corner of Church Street and Cortland Street with convenient street-level access, the restaurant will offer a new dining experience to the 10 million annual visitors of the World Trade Center Oculus complex.

Quote:

Designed in partnership with global architecture and design agency Harrison, the World Trade Center restaurant will showcase Fogo’s recent brand transformation with enhanced design and innovation platforms in a warm, timeless and approachable setting. The restaurant will feature an expansive dining room centered around an open churrasco grill, offering guests a view of gaucho chefs butchering, hand carving, and grilling high-quality cuts of protein over an open flame. A Market Table will anchor the front of the grill and feature seasonal salads, fresh superfoods, cured meats, antipasti, and more. In the new restaurant, engaging social gathering spaces will be layered throughout Bar Fogo and the dining room to further enhance the guest experience and ambiance by providing inviting, conversational areas to linger and enjoy All-Day Happy Hour. Dry-aged meat lockers for in-house aging will display indulgent cuts such as a 32 oz. Long-Bone Tomahawk Ribeye, aged for a minimum of 42 days for rich flavor.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fogo-...222639961.html

Quote:

Fogo de Chão is cutting off a 5,009-square-foot slice for itself at 3 World Trade Center.

The Brazilian steakhouse plans to open an outpost in the Oculus mall in 2024, which will join its three existing New York City locations, the New York Post first reported.

It is unclear what the length of the lease and the asking rent were for the Unibail-Rodamco-Westfield-owned space, but average asking rent for Manhattan retail space was $663 per square foot in the third quarter of 2023, according to a report from CBRE.

“As we expand our East Coast presence, we continue to see the growing demand for the culinary art of churrasco that we uniquely offer at Fogo,” Barry McGowan, CEO of Fogo de Chão, said in a statement. “Manhattan is a sought-after destination for millions from around the world, and our goal is to provide a distinctive dining experience that complements the city’s diverse culinary landscape.”

It’s unclear who brokered the deal. The landlord and tenant did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the brokers.

The steakhouse chain was founded in 1979 in Porto Alegre, Brazil, and its Oculus location is part of its large U.S. expansion this year with the brand signing 22 other leases.

The chain plans to give the full meat-over-open-flame experience with a dining room and a high-top area known as Bar Fogo in the World Trade Center mall, but the space is somewhat abridged compared to its other locations. The company signed a 12,000-square-foot lease with Boston Properties at 11915 Democracy Drive in Reston, Va., in November 2022.

Fogo de Chão’s Queens location at 92-50 59th Avenue in Elmhurst spans 8,400 square feet and was signed in November 2022. Its Midtown flagship at 40 West 53rd Street is the largest in the company’s portfolio at 16,000 square feet.

https://ml.globenewswire.com/Resourc...9-9edb6e7b1aec

https://ml.globenewswire.com/Resourc...3-4766e88e43de

https://ml.globenewswire.com/Resourc...8-b83c619a0f09

For a few years now there has been the opening of a taco bell cantina at Street Level Tower 3 advertised on the westfield website:

https://www.westfield.com/united-sta...antina/75564he

https://www.westfield.com/united-sta.../casual-dining

However since nothing has come of this since then aside from this story in 2023

https://tribecacitizen.com/2023/08/3...ing-up-in-wmp/

Quote:

TACO BELL “CANTINA” COMING TO WTC
A. wrote to say there’s a Taco Bell Cantina opening soon in the Westfield mall, across from the memorial. Their “Cantinas” feature an urban restaurant design, open kitchen, custom menu with shareable appetizers and alcoholic beverages. Think Taco Bell with beer, wine, sangria and twisted Freezes.

it's possible that the plan was scrapped. Hopefully not, there was apparently a taco bell in one of the original world trade center buildings https://nealungerleider.substack.com...de-center-taco, so it would be a good homage to the site for another taco bell to open at the site.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HyperPower (Post 10048821)

Viewing the Lower Manhattan Skyline drives me nutz knowing how the initial crown �� of 3WTC was intended before being decapitated. That extra 50 meters + luminescent spires would of made a world of difference. Must drive the architects over at Roders & SOM crazy.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a215d722_h.jpg

https://s3.eu-central-1.amazonaws.co...1-1002x846.jpg
Source: dbox, courtesy of Silverstein Properties

It's nauseating really.... the stripping of the 1WTC spire, removal of 3WTC's spires and the absolute watering down of 2WTC in subsequent design proposals makes this a very hard dichotomy of "what could have been" vs "what actually happened". The worst of the original 4 towers, 4WTC, unfortunately remained the same, unaltered, and as mundane as possible. The 3 WTC changes were particularly unfortunate because the 4 spires at each corner is a pretty unique and original concept at those heights. This complex stood no chance against a developer who's moniker is "Low End Larry." <sigh>