You're right, but that is the current situation since after 9/11. Before that, the former WTC( although shorter than the Sears Tower by 86 feet) was enough to tie New York's and Chicago's skylines by overall height of all the buildings. After the Sears, the Twins and the ESB were the 2nd,3rd, and 4th tallest buildings in the US respectively. With 1 WTC, 432 Park, One 57, and other projects rising, NYC might regain that title again if Chicago doesn't get any demand in the future. But for better or worse, they are both the cities that have the potential to build the first 2,000 footer in the Western world.

Yeah, it would be pretty cool if Chicago can boost some supertalls too. Right now NY is pretty much alone in the U.S. :-/

By 2014/15 it will probably look like this:

By pinnacle height:


Chicago:
1. Willis Tower, 527m
2. John Hancock Center, 457m
3. Trump International Hotel & Tower, 423m
4. Aon Center, 346m
5. AT&T Corporate Center, 307m
6. Two Prudential Plaza, 303m

New York:
1. One World Trade Center, 545m
2. Empire State Building, 449m
3. 432 Park Avenue, 426m
4. Bank of America Tower, 366m
5. Three World Trade Center, 352m*
6. Conde Nast Building, 341m
7. Chrysler Building, 319m
8. New York Times Tower, 319m
9. Hudson Yards South Tower, 310m**
10. One57, 306m



By roof height:


Chicago:
1. Willis Tower, 442m
3. Trump International Hotel & Tower, 357m
3. Aon Center, 346m
4. John Hancock Center, 344m


New York:
1. 432 Park Avenue, 426m
2. One World Trade Center, 419m
3. Empire State Building, 381m
4. Three World Trade Center, 329m*
5. Hudson Yards South Tower, 310m**
6. One57, 306m


* if construction resumes (currently at the 7th floor)
** construction should begin this fall

Let's hope Chicago comes back on track. :)

Assuming everything goes as planned, these will be the skyscrapers with roof heights over 300M in NYC at various stages of completeion, construction and site prep by 2020:

Key:
■ : No work has been done on this building at the time of this post
■ : Site prep, no matter how minimal, has been done at the time of this post
■ : Construction is on hold
■ : The building is under construction
■ : The building has been completed

Grand Central Tower ~500M (Site Prep by 2020)
225 W57th ~450M (Completed by 2020)
432 Park -425M (Completed by 2016)
One World Trade Center -417M (Completed 2013)
Two World Trade Center -411M (Completed by 2020)
Hudson Yards North Office Tower -394M (Completed by 2018)
Empire State Building -381M (Completed 1931)
15 Penn -371M (Site Prep by 2020)
One Manhattan West -371M (Completed by 2020)
Three World Trade Center -327M (Completed by 2018)
Girasole -323M (Completed by 2020) (Possibly +400M)
Tower Verre -320M (Completed by 2018)
Hudson Yards South Office Tower -310M (Completed by 2015)
One57 -306M (Completed 2013)
34th and 10th Street +304M (Site Prep by 2020)
One Hudson Yards +304M (Completed by 2020)
Hudson Yards Mixed-used Tower +304M (U/C by 2020)
237 Park +304M (Site Prep by 2020)

After finishing this list all I could think of was "Whoa!"

This decade will rewrite the books when it comes to the skyline of NYC if even half of this stuff gets built, but I'm very confident that the vast majority of these buildings will get built. Not to mention the ones that haven't even been revealed yet.

amazing :D i think theres some others also, im not good with the street names its like 41 and 42nd street or something

and is there any news on grand central tower? i dont think theres a thread about it so no updates that i can read

^^

No info on Grand Central Tower so far. It won't start to really move forward until the rezoning of East Midtown goes through, so I think anything solid is a few years away. But since it'll be rezoning the largest CBD in the world, across the street from GCT, I'm confident once the rezoning does get approved, that will instantly become one of the most valuable developable sites in the country, and should come together relatively quickly depending on what the economy is like then.

Also, Eidolon, that list made my jaw drop. It's one thing to have all those towers rattling around in your head, but it's another to see them listed like that. By 2020 NY should be the near unanimous #1 skyline in the world. Certainly exciting times.

I made another photomontage, this seems like a good place to post it.

Original Photo SOURCE

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8314/7...08054d32_h.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8437/7...28d428e4_h.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8171/7...bf39df8c_h.jpg

Looks awesome :cheers:
Thanks for reminding me of 237 Park btw, added it to the list.

@sbarn und Eidolon: cool rendering and list! :tup:

Just found this on flickr... Grand Central Tower (or at least near it)?

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8461/7...81b0928e_b.jpg
Midtown Megatall Study von GaborCs auf Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8461/7...9ea74916_o.jpg
Midtown Megatall Study von GaborCs auf Flickr


Looks pretty nice imho.

Not that it doesn't already have an argument, but if a decent amount of these supertalls get built NYC will have a very strong claim again as the worlds most impressive skyline.

The mix of height/density/scale will be hard to match. Some cities already are or will be beating it in one category or the other but New York will have a pretty unique mix of the three if it has 15+ supertalls sprouting up in the midsts of its sea of other towers.

^ Absolutely. New York has the density, uniqueness, style and mass (250 skyscrapers over 500 feet!). All it lacks is height. With 1WTC, 4WTC and One57 nearing completion the skyline already got a height boost.

I did a quick calculation (based on official height, 1 and 4WTC included. One57 and 1715 Broadway are not included.):

Average height 10 tallest buildings: 334,7m (~1100ft)
Average height 50 tallest buildings: 243,4m (~800ft)


PS: As of now NY has 56 buildings exceeding 200m (656ft). :yes:

i wish their was a render with all of these proposals, construction, and on hold projects in a render. Like one that show slower manhattan and in the background u have the midtown skyline :D

:previous:
Assuming everything goes as planned, these will be the skyscrapers with roof heights over 300M in NYC at various stages of completeion, construction and site prep by 2020:

Key:
■ : No work has been done on this building at the time of this post
■ : Site prep, no matter how minimal, has been done at the time of this post
■ : Construction is on hold
■ : The building is under construction
■ : The building has been completed

Grand Central Tower ~500M (Site Prep by 2020)
225 W57th ~450M (Completed by 2020)
432 Park -425M (Completed by 2016)
One World Trade Center -417M (Completed 2013)
Two World Trade Center -411M (Completed by 2020)
Hudson Yards North Office Tower -394M (Completed by 2018)
Empire State Building -381M (Completed 1931)
15 Penn -371M (Site Prep by 2020)
One Manhattan West -371M (Completed by 2020)
Three World Trade Center -327M (Completed by 2018)
Girasole -323M (Completed by 2020) (Possibly +400M)
Tower Verre -320M (Completed by 2018)
Hudson Yards South Office Tower -310M (Completed by 2015)
One57 -306M (Completed 2013)
34th and 10th Street +304M (Site Prep by 2020)
One Hudson Yards +304M (Completed by 2020)
Hudson Yards Mixed-used Tower +304M (U/C by 2020)
237 Park +304M (Site Prep by 2020)

(my list re-posted from Hunser's NY supertalls thread)

I guess the quota was met. 3 buildings near or above supertall status have been topped off in NYC in 2012. The next big year might be in 2014 or 2017.

2015 will see 432 Park and the "shorter" Hudson yards supertall top out at the least and 3WTC will also probably top out then.

2017 will see the Hudson Yards mixed-use tower and the taller north office tower at Hudson Yards top out and I think 2WTC will also have topped out by this time too.

That leaves the Tower Verre, Brookfield's Supertall(s?), Girasole and One Hudson Yards, all of which are likely to top out before 225 W57th is completed in 2018 or 2019, but before any of the towers in the midtown rezoning area begin construction (the earliest starting date for them I see is some time in late 2019 or early 2020), leaving only 15 Penn and 34th and 10th with a schedule that I can't guesstimate beyond the fact that they too will be built some day.

I agree, most to all those projects should be coming up in the near future.

Brookfield's supertalls are in preparation as the is work on the site to cover up the railroads, in preparation for the buildings. But the actual project is trying to get tenants, and of course competing with the Hudson Yards to do so. The Hudson yards by the way, seem to be on top demand for tenants, so many of the buildings in that area should be coming up sooner or later after the South and North towers start to rise. 15 Penn, umm, eh, let's just say that project is having some problems with the general public so we just have to wait and see what happens...

i cant wait to see new proposals etc for new towers because of the rezoning, im impressed as it is with all of these, cant imagine when all of those proposals start popping up :D

Updated the first page.


So far we have...
1. 1WTC, topped out (steel)
2. One57, topped out
3. 4WTC, topped out
4. 1715, topped out

(counting only 200m+ towers, as always)

Not bad.

Coming back to live:

1. 107 West 57th Street, 697ft (212m).
Rendering:
http://ny.curbed.com/uploads/screen-...2-33-05-pm.png

2. 610 Lexington Avenue, 704ft (215m).

Still on hold:

1. 30 Park Place
2. 56 Leonard Street
3. 50 West Street

New York has now 58 skyscrapers over 200m completed and topped out, respectively.

and

I'll be away for a month. Feel free to post any updates, especially on supertalls. :)

http://cdn.archinect.net/images/650x...xfhecgc8bd.jpg

425 Park's (conceptual) design. IF the rezoning of Midtown Manhattan is passed, a tower 50% bigger could be built starting in 2018. In my opinion it's a pretty box with plenty of character and I hope the final design isn't too different from this concept. A height increase certainly wouldn't hurt though.

http://archinect.com/firms/release/4...attan/58542132

I thought the rezoning was passed already and that towers nice :).

we're going to have to downgrade the South Tower. It's definitely 250+ m but likely not a supertall.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/146552386/original.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/146552389/original.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/146552390/original.jpg

we're looking at

Com.
Empire State Building
BoA Tower
Chrysler
NYT Tower

T/O
1 WTC
One 57

U/C
3 WTC
432 Park

On Hold/Approved/Proposed
2 WTC - on Hold
Hudson Yards North Office Tower - App
Hudson Yards Mixed Use Tower - App
One Hudson Yards? - App
One Manhattan West - App
Girasole - Pro
Sherwood Equities Tower - Pro
15 Penn Plaza - App
225 W 57th - App
Grand Central Tower - Pro

900 ft+
40 Wall St. - com
70 Pine St - com
Citigroup Center - com
4 WTC - t/o
Two Manhattan West - App
Hudson Yards Coach Tower - App
99 Church Street - on hold

It's rumored that the Girasole will be taller.

I know, but I will believe that when I see detailed renders and perhaps not even then. Lots of plans are put out for supertowers, but more often their height is adjusted down before construction instead of up. We will see though. America needs more supertalls in my opinion.

Of Course we need more supertalls this is America! :tup:

I see no reason why the couldn't. I really don't want any another towers. I'd prefer 432 to be shorter.

impossible.

the only problem with the ny supertalls is they are not as supertall as they should be.

Manhattan West is rumbling into action.


225 W57th demo is progressing.

30 Park Place is starting imminently.

220 CPS is active despite the odds.


http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2012/1..._next_week.php

And 56 Leonard is starting next week.


All in all, I'd say that this has been a very eventful week for New York skyscrapers.

Downtown Projects
the general location of upcoming skyscrapers

http://oi49.tinypic.com/t80rb9.jpg

original photo by jphillipobrien2006 on Flickr

I. 1 WTC - main structure T/O - 1368 ft. Spire height 1776 ft
II. 4 WTC - T/O - 977 ft
III. 3 WTC - U/C - 1170 ft
IV. 2 WTC - On Hold - 1350 ft
V. 99 Church Street - On Hold - 912 ft
VI. 56 Leonard Street - On Hold, construction resuming this week - 821 ft
VII . 80 South Street - Proposed 800+ ft
VIII. Nobu Tower 700+ ft - Proposed
IX. 50 West Street 735 ft - Proposed

Oh yes, 56 Leonard and 99 Church will resume construction pretty soon. :yes:

Some renderings for the proposed GCT Tower(s):

(Note: those are just visions, i.e. what could be built.)

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/146780533/original.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/146799923/original.jpg

Both towers are probably in the 350m range.


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/146799961/original.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/146791371/original.jpg

Single tower design: looks to be about 400m.

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Winning design for 425 Park Ave (by Foster):

http://blog.archpaper.com/wordpress/..._foster_01.jpg

http://blog.archpaper.com/wordpress/..._foster_00.jpg

http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.c...oster-1-mb.jpg

Note: design is not final.

Height: 687ft (roof), ~800ft (crown). Floors: 41

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Hudson Yards:
(heights not confirmed)


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/146552385/original.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/146552389/original.jpg

- North Tower: looks taller now, about 1350' + got an observation platform
- Coach tower: seems to be shortened
- Residential tower: got a height boost (1100' now?)!

^ Don't worry, I'm sure we'll see at least one serious proposal this decade. ;)

The whole skyline as it is now... really powerful. :worship:

RBudhu

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8034/8...74d30160_k.jpg


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8319/8...7ca49b7e_k.jpg

Do you guys see this? The skyline is already fuc*ing amazing! And in the knowledge of what's to come... I can just say this: I'm in awe. :stunned:

Downtown, updated (by me):

http://s7.directupload.net/images/121021/44eikg9f.jpg

Original pic by davideglasgow

Red: Major construction projects (200m+).

Better illustration of what's going on right now in Downtown...

http://s14.directupload.net/images/121022/axin2cyc.jpg

Current 200m+ projects:

Green: Under Construction (4)
Yellow: On Hold (3)
Red: Proposed (4)


Original pic by davideglasgow

The Hudson Yards -
North Tower - 1337 ft/ 407m
Coach Tower - 876 ft/ 267m
Mixed Use Tower - 1000 ft+/ 304m +
Residential Tower - 820 ft+/ 250m+

http://oi50.tinypic.com/2ng6gd2.jpg

http://oi49.tinypic.com/2e2nf2a.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/146552389/original.jpg

Related Hudson Yards brochure http://www.related.com/HudsonYards/i...20Brochure.pdf

^ Thank you Hudson.

What can I say? Lost a supertall, but got one residential supertall and a real 400m+ tower!


1,000 footers:

1. One World Trade Center, 1787ft (544,7m), Under Construction (steel topped out)
2. Nordstrom Tower, 1550ft+ (472,4m+), Site Preparation (likely to exceed 1600ft)
3. 432 Park Avenue, 1398ft (426,1m), Under Construction (height not final; probably 1420ft (432m))
4. Two World Trade Center, 1349ft (411,2m), Under Construction (currently on hold)
5. Hudson Yards North Tower, 1337ft (407,5m), Approved
6. Empire State Building, 1250ft (381m), Completed [1,454ft (443,2m) when counting the spire]
7. 15 Penn PLaza, 1216ft (370,6m), Approved
8. One Manhattan West, 1216ft (370,6m), Approved
9. Bank of America Tower, 1200ft (365,8m), Completed
10. Three World Trade Center, 1155ft (352m), Under Construction
11. Conde Nast Building, 1118ft (340,7m), Completed [when counting the spire]
12. The Girasole, 1060ft (323,1m), Approved (likely to exceed 1400ft)
13. Tower Verre, 1050ft (320m), Approved
14. Chrysler Building, 1046ft (318,8m), Completed
15. New York Times Tower, 1046ft (318,8m), Completed
16. One57, 1005ft (306,3m), Topped Out
17. One Hudson Yards, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Site Preparation
18. Sherwood Tower (34th & 10th), 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed
19. 34th & 8th, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed
20. Grand Central Tower, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed (likely to exceed 1700ft)



900 footers:

1. Four World Trade Center, 977ft (297,8m), Topped Out
2. American International Building, 952ft (290,2m), Completed
3. Equinox Tower, 950ft+ (290m+), Approved (likely to exceed 1000ft)
4. Bloomberg Tower, 941ft (286,6m), Completed [when counting the spire]
5. One Madison Avenue, 937ft (285,6m), Proposed
6. Two Manhattan West, 935ft (285m), Approved
7. 40 Wall Street, 927ft (282,6m), Completed
8. Citigroup Center, 915ft (278,9m), Completed
9. 30 Park Place, 912ft (278m), Under Construction (currently on hold, work to resume soon)
10. 80 South Street, 902ft (275m), Proposed



800 footers:

1. Beekman Tower, 891ft (271,6m), Completed
2. Hudson Yards South Tower, 876ft (267m), Site Preparation (aka Coach Tower)
3. Trump World Tower, 861ft (262,4m), Completed
4. Port Authority Bus Terminal Tower, 856ft (261m), Approved
5. 425 Park Avenue, 855ft (260,6m), Approved
6. GE Building, 850ft (259,1m), Completed
7. Hudson Yards Culture Tower, 825ft (251,4m), Proposed
8. 56 Leonard Street, 821ft (250,2m), Under Construction
9. Cityspire Center, 814ft (248,1m), Completed
10. One Chase Manhattan Plaza, 813ft (247,8m), Completed
11. Met Life Building, 808ft (246,3m), Completed



700 footers:


1. Woolworth Building, 792ft (241m), Completed
2. 1 Worldwide Plaza, 778ft (237m), Completed
3. Carnegie Hall Tower, 757ft (231m), Completed
4. 383 Madison Avenue, 755ft (230m), Completed
5. 1715 Broadway, 753ft (230m), Topped Out
6. AXA Center, 752ft (229m), Completed
7. One Penn Plaza, 750ft (229m), Completed
8. 1251 Avenue of the Americas , 750ft (229m), Completed
9. Time Warner Center North Tower, 749ft (228m), Completed
10. Time Warner Center South Tower, 749ft (228m), Completed
11. Goldman Sachs Headquarters, 749ft (228m), Completed
12. 60 Wall Street, 745ft (227m), Completed
13. One Astor Plaza, 745ft (227m), Completed
14. 1 Liberty Plaza, 743ft (226m), Completed
15. 20 Exchange Place, 741ft (226m), Completed
16. 7 World Trade Center, 741ft (226m), Completed
17. Three World Financial Center, 739ft (225m), Completed
18. Bertelsmann Building, 733ft (223m), Completed
19. Times Square Tower, 726ft (221m), Completed
20. Metropolitan Tower, 716ft (218m), Completed
21. 250 East 57th Street, 715ft (218m), Under Construction
22. 50 West Street, 714ft (218m), Under Construction (currently on hold, work to resume soon)
23. 610 Lexington Avenue, 712ft (217m), Under Construction (currently on hold)
24. Nobu Hotel and Residences, 709ft (216m), Approved
25. JPMorganChase Tower, 707ft (216m), Completed
26. General Motors Building, 705ft (215m), Completed
27. Metropolitan Life Tower, 700ft (213m), Completed
28. 5 World Trade Center, 700ft+ (213m+), Approved


600 footers:

1. 500 Fifth Avenue, 697ft (212m), Completed
2. 107 West 57th Street, 697ft (212m), Proposed
3. Americas Tower, 692ft (211m), Completed
4. Solow Building, 689ft (210m), Completed
5. HSBC Bank Building, 688ft (210m), Completed
6. 55 Water Street, 687ft (209m), Completed
7. 277 Park Avenue, 687ft (209m), Completed
8. 1585 Broadway, 685ft (209m), Completed
9. Random House Tower, 684ft (208m), Completed
10. Four Seasons Hotel, 682ft (208m), Completed
11. Citypoint Tower 1 (Downtown Brooklyn), 680ft (207,3m), Approved
12. McGraw-Hill Building, 674ft (205m), Completed
13. Lincoln Building, 673ft (205m), Completed
14. Citicorp Building, 673ft (205m), Completed
15. Barclay Tower, 673ft (205m), Completed
16. Paramount Plaza, 670ft (204m), Completed
17. 440 West 42nd Street, 669ft (204m), Completed
18. Trump Tower, 664ft (202m), Completed
19. 514 11th Avenue, 656ft+ (200m+), Proposed
20. Public New York (855 6th Avenue), 656ft+ (200m+), Proposed
21. 111 Washington Street, 656ft+ (200m+), Proposed
22. 125 Greenwich Street (22 Thames Street), 637ft (194m), Proposed (likely to exceed 200m+)
23. ...

Are these the heights for the tallest occupied space or all the way to the crown/roof? It would be a pleasant surprise if the Coach Tower would be about 100 feet taller, but it would be pure awesome if the North Tower were 100 feet taller than the height listed.

1st page updated. Man, so much going on in New York right now... one can hardly keep track...

425 Park avenue 800 + ft is real or is a wish ????????

Based on the selected design (Foster and Partners), it's real.

Hopefully we'll get something taller, if the Midtown rezoning is approved, but the current Foster design definitely appears 800+.

A new club...

1,300 footers:

1. One World Trade Center, 1787ft (544,7m), Under Construction (steel topped out)
2. 432 Park Avenue, 1398ft (426,1m), Under Construction (height not final; probably 1420ft (432m))
3. Two World Trade Center, 1349ft (411,2m), Under Construction (currently on hold)
4. Hudson Yards North Tower, 1337ft (407,5m), Approved
5. Empire State Building, 1250ft (381m), Completed [1454ft (443,2m) when counting the spire]


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/146937889/original.jpg

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Likely candidates:
1. 225 West 57th Street, 1250ft (381m), Site Preparation (likely to exceed 1400ft)
2. Grand Central Tower, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed (likely to exceed 1700ft)
3. The Girasole, 1060ft (323,1m), Approved (likely to exceed 1400ft)

A new rendering of the Hudson Yards has been released.

Holy shitballs, that is amazing! One of the sexiest renders Ive ever seen. It kinda reminds me of the robot manufacturers headquarters in AI with Will Smith in Chicago.

Can't wait until the official renderings for 225 W 57th are released. That will be #6
then after that the Grand Central Terminal Tower will be the 7th 400m+ tower
and possibly a new Girasole at #8...

:awesome:

^ Nice signature have you there Hudson. :D
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Omg, that render is just too awesome. :slob: Gotta put it on the first page...

While I was re-reading the 15 Penn thread, this caught my attention and I immediately thought it would be a good idea to mention them in this thread.

Twice as big as the original club. NYC is moving forward.

Nice catch Eidolon. I'm surprised those lots have gone undeveloped for this long. That corner directly north of the one with the Duane Read, with the TGI Fridays would also be a nice corner to get redeveloped.

They are haven't been torn down yet for the same reason that Hotel Penn hasn't, it isn't financially feasible to do so yet.

The TGI Fridays is just one of many grimy lowrises in that part of 34th street that are ripe for redevelopment.

Agreed. Would much rather see that TGI get bulldozed than the hotel Penn. I know it is just pipe dreaming, but I'd rather 15 Penn Plaza was built there than in place of the hotel. It's a beautiful old building. (At least from the outside anyways.)