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timbad Sep 27, 2016 4:28 AM

just for the heck of it

https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8103/2...5c22bb85_b.jpg

timbad Oct 23, 2016 8:34 PM

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5507/3...d972ceb4_b.jpg

timbad Nov 21, 2016 7:43 AM

excavating down... this is looking north along the eastern edge of the project

https://c5.staticflickr.com/6/5826/3...5d151bb0_b.jpg

timbad Dec 7, 2016 7:21 AM

deeper...

https://c4.staticflickr.com/6/5768/3...b9e1011d_b.jpg

timbad Jan 8, 2017 7:52 AM

https://c7.staticflickr.com/1/304/32...017f62ae_b.jpg

https://c7.staticflickr.com/1/412/31...24662fd2_b.jpg

timbad Jan 17, 2017 7:10 AM

this one has gotten pretty deep now

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/455/31...51d5159b_b.jpg

timbad Feb 27, 2017 6:00 AM

they might be done going down. pics never do these massive digs justice

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2836/3...bc2df482_b.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/258/32...21ba7e32_b.jpg

minesweeper Feb 27, 2017 7:54 AM

Impressive excavation! That picture got me to look up details of the basement, and I found this:

Quote:

The substructure consists of six basement levels to accommodate parking, loading, support spaces, and mechanical equipment. The basement is accessed by vehicles through a single entry point on First Street.

Below grade are six basement levels enclosed by a reinforced concrete perimeter wall. The tower and substructure are supported by a reinforced concrete mat foundation bearing directly on bedrock.
The building will have 286 parking spaces on six basement levels. With the foundation, it looks like the excavation will go down about as far as the podium will eventually go up:

https://i.imgur.com/A7Zgm4t.jpg

More reading:

http://sfocii.org/sites/default/file...-5gh-Part1.pdf
http://sfocii.org/sites/default/file...-5gh-Part2.pdf
http://sfocii.org/sites/default/file...-5gh-Part3.pdf
http://sfocii.org/sites/default/file...-5gh-Part4.pdf

Pedestrian Feb 27, 2017 7:13 PM

^^
Quote:

a reinforced concrete mat foundation bearing directly on bedrock
Just a few blocks away "bedrock" is 250 ft down. Hard to believe it's (much) less than 100 ft down in this spot.

botoxic Feb 27, 2017 9:19 PM

Rincon Hill is bedrock, so you don't have to go very far to hit bedrock just across the street. And if you imagine the bedrock continuing to slope downward at the same angle as Rincon (slightly greater than 100 feet per block), you can envision how deep it gets between Folsom and Mission.

tech12 Feb 27, 2017 9:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minesweeper (Post 7724883)
Impressive excavation! That picture got me to look up details of the basement, and I found this:



The building will have 286 parking spaces on six basement levels. With the foundation, it looks like the excavation will go down about as far as the podium will eventually go up:

https://i.imgur.com/A7Zgm4t.jpg

More reading:

http://sfocii.org/sites/default/file...-5gh-Part1.pdf
http://sfocii.org/sites/default/file...-5gh-Part2.pdf
http://sfocii.org/sites/default/file...-5gh-Part3.pdf
http://sfocii.org/sites/default/file...-5gh-Part4.pdf

Looks like the thread needs to be updated with the proper height. The building is 447' to "roof" level, and around 470' to the top of the structure.

mthd Feb 28, 2017 1:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tech12 (Post 7725559)
Looks like the thread needs to be updated with the proper height. The building is 447' to "roof" level, and around 470' to the top of the structure.

No, it's 400' to the roof, which is the height limit. The elevations are above grade, which is 47 feet above the city zero datum...

Pedestrian Feb 28, 2017 2:15 AM

This probably makes the heights clearer (I hope):

https://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a...D550/ry%3D400/
http://sfocii.org/sites/default/file...-5gh-Part1.pdf

And the thread title seems to be correct the way such things are measured on this site.

tech12 Feb 28, 2017 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tech12 (Post 7725559)
Looks like the thread needs to be updated with the proper height. The building is 447' to "roof" level, and around 470' to the top of the structure.

Whoops, my bad. I didn't look at the diagram closely enough.

Lego Mar 6, 2017 7:59 PM

i call BS
 
Goettsch beat SOM to the punch by a longshot; copyright infringement?

http://www.archdaily.com/802761/al-h...ttsch-partners

ozone Mar 7, 2017 2:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lego (Post 7732235)
Goettsch beat SOM to the punch by a longshot; copyright infringement?

http://www.archdaily.com/802761/al-h...ttsch-partners

Jesus what's with all these forumers desperately trying to show how every new building in San Francisco is merely a ripoff of another somewhere else? News flash...this can be said of most buildings including the ones you think are so bloody original.

Pedestrian Mar 7, 2017 3:07 AM

^^Truly original archtecture is difficult to do and even more difficult to get bureaucracies and citizen critics to accept. It's very unlikely anything really ground-breaking could be approved in SF and even if it ultimately were, it would be delayed and studied to death first. A developer trying to make money (almost all of them . . .almost) doesn't need that. He wants quick, painless approval. Note what Renzo Piano, who has done some radical things in his day including a group of towers right here in SF (at 50 First St) that, as I would have guessed, was never built, is proposing at 555 Howard: A building as plainly modernist and inoffensive as could be imagined. And note how swiftly it's getting approved because there is almost nothing to criticize except the lack of anything to criticize (or like especially except, for some, the rooftop open space).

mt_climber13 Mar 7, 2017 4:02 AM

SF is an extremely conservative establishment city in many ways, which is reflected in the architecture. It lost it's bohemian/ creative/ alternative edge many moons ago. The pyramid is actually a very alternative futuristic design that would not be built today. SF is more of a midtown Manhattan than Prague.

ozone Mar 7, 2017 4:07 AM

^^^ I'm constantly irritated by this argument. If this were true there would be not Transamerica Pyramid or a number of these new towers. Look around at most skylines and you won't see a lot of ground-breaking design or very good high-rise architecture for that matter. Not because of governments or NIMBYs but they typically cost more to build.

Pedestrian Mar 7, 2017 8:02 AM

^^Not in the US, no, because, Chicago maybe excepted (I don't know much about the process there), some of the same bureaucratic steps must be navigated by developers in many larger US cities. But look, for example, at London (I won't even mention the D-word). Can you imagine SF having a shard or gherkin? I can't. I'm not sure why. I mean some of the companies occupying these buildings are US companies and I doubt the developers have more money to throw around than in SF.


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