A modern Art Deco tower would look nothing like the Art Deco towers of the past. Mainly because engineering has changed. The Empire State Building and the Metropolitan Life North Building doesn't have a tube structure. Instead they have columns evenly distributed to all sides at every 30 feet. This method is outdated because the columns would remove a lot of precious office space, and isn't warranted today. Most modern skyscrapers have tube structures like the World Trade Center which includes the one before and after 9/11, the Sears Tower, and the John Hancock Tower. So an art deco like tower is possible (One57), but it would look severely different from the ones in the past again which is One57.
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Again I am not saying that 2,000 foot tall skyscraper is impossible, but in this economic situation we are in such a skyscraper won't be built. Until I see Two and Three World Trade Center, and the new Hudson Yards fully leased I don't see it happening.
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Update: 225 West 57th Street, 1200ft+ (365,8m+), Proposed. Moved from #16 to #9 now.
This tower will probably rise to over 1,200 feet as it has about 30% more air rights than One57. Important note: Height is not final, only an approximation. Also, there have been no renders released so far. |
i've deleted all the NYC vs. chicago BS from this thread. the next person who mentions the word "chicago" in this thread will be getting a lengthy suspension.
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If you add the the never built (realistic) projects, that would've given the city SEVEN more buildings over a 1,000 feet. Chicago vs NYC should have a separate thread don't you think.
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Update: Hudson Yards
South Tower: 1,017', 54 floors (formerly 996', 52 floors) North Tower: 1292', 65 floors (formerly 1278', 64 floors) So both towers are over 1000 feet now! |
1,000 footers:
1. One World Trade Center, 1787ft (544,7m), Under Construction 2. 432 Park Avenue, 1420ft (432,8m), Under Construction (height not final; min: 1380ft / max: 1700ft) 3. Two World Trade Center, 1349ft (411,2m), Under Construction 4. Hudson Yards North Tower, 1292ft (393,8m), Approved 5. Empire State Building, 1250ft (381m), Completed [1,454ft (443,2m) when counting the spire] 6. 225 West 57th Street, 1250ft (381m), Site Preparation (likely to exceed 1300ft) 7. 15 Penn PLaza, 1216ft (370,6m), Approved 8. One Manhattan West, 1216ft (370,6m), Approved 9. Bank of America Tower, 1200ft (365,8m), Completed 10. Three World Trade Center, 1155ft (352m), Under Construction 11. Conde Nast Building, 1118ft (340,7m), Completed [when counting the spire] 12. The Girasole, 1060ft (323,1m), Approved (likely to exceed 1400ft) 13. Tower Verre, 1050ft (320m), Approved 14. Chrysler Building, 1046ft (318,8m), Completed 15. New York Times Tower, 1046ft (318,8m), Completed 16. Hudson Yards South Tower, 1017ft (310m), Site Preparation 17. One57, 1005ft (306,3m), Under Construction 18. Hudson Yards Mixed-used Tower, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed 19. One Hudson Yards, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Site Preparation 20. Sherwood Tower, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed 21. Madison Ave & 42nd Street, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed (likely to exceed 1400ft) 900 footers: 1. Four World Trade Center, 977ft (297,8m), Under Construction 2. American International Building, 952ft (290,2m), Completed 3. Bloomberg Tower, 941ft (286,6m), Completed [when counting the spire] 4. One Madison Avenue, 937ft (285,6m), Proposed 5. Two Manhattan West, 935ft (285m), Approved 6. 40 Wall Street, 927ft (282,6m), Completed 7. Citigroup Center, 915ft (278,9m), Completed 8. 30 Park Place, 912ft (278m), Under Construction (currently on hold) 800 footers: 1. Beekman Tower, 891ft (271,6m), Completed 2. Trump World Tower, 861ft (262,4m), Completed 3. Port Authority Bus Terminal Tower, 856ft (261m), Approved 4. GE Building, 850ft (259,1m), Completed 5. 56 Leonard Street, 821ft (250,2m), Under Construction (currently on hold) 6. Cityspire Center, 814ft (248,1m), Completed 7. One Chase Manhattan Plaza, 813ft (247,8m), Completed 8. Met Life Building, 808ft (246,3m), Completed 9. Hudson Yards Residential Tower, 800ft+ (243,8m+), Proposed 700 footers: 1. Woolworth Building, 792ft (241m), Completed 2. 1 Worldwide Plaza, 778ft (237m), Completed 3. Carnegie Hall Tower, 757ft (231m), Completed 4. 383 Madison Avenue, 755ft (230m), Completed 5. 1715 Broadway, 753ft (230m), Under Construction 6. AXA Center, 752ft (229m), Completed 7. One Penn Plaza, 750ft (229m), Completed 8. 1251 Avenue of the Americas , 750ft (229m), Completed 9. Time Warner Center North Tower, 749ft (228m), Completed 10. Time Warner Center South Tower, 749ft (228m), Completed 11. Goldman Sachs Headquarters, 749ft (228m), Completed 12. 60 Wall Street, 745ft (227m), Completed 13. One Astor Plaza, 745ft (227m), Completed 14. 1 Liberty Plaza, 743ft (226m), Completed 15. 20 Exchange Place, 741ft (226m), Completed 16. 7 World Trade Center, 741ft (226m), Completed 17. Three World Financial Center, 739ft (225m), Completed 18. Bertelsmann Building, 733ft (223m), Completed 19. Times Square Tower, 726ft (221m), Completed 20. Metropolitan Tower, 716ft (218m), Completed 21. 250 East 57th Street, 715ft (218m), Under Construction 22. 50 West Street, 714ft (218m), Under Construction (currently on hold) 23. 610 Lexington Avenue, 712ft (217m), Under Construction (currently on hold) 24. Nobu Hotel and Residences, 709ft (216m), Approved 25. JPMorganChase Tower, 707ft (216m), Completed 26. General Motors Building, 705ft (215m), Completed 27. Metropolitan Life Tower, 700ft (213m), Completed 28. 5 World Trade Center, 700ft+ (213m+), Approved 600 footers: 1. 500 Fifth Avenue, 697ft (212m), Completed 2. 107 West 57th Street, 697ft (212m), Proposed 3. Americas Tower, 692ft (211m), Completed 4. Solow Building, 689ft (210m), Completed 5. HSBC Bank Building, 688ft (210m), Completed 6. 55 Water Street, 687ft (209m), Completed 7. 277 Park Avenue, 687ft (209m), Completed 8. 1585 Broadway, 685ft (209m), Completed 9. Random House Tower, 684ft (208m), Completed 10. Four Seasons Hotel, 682ft (208m), Completed 11. McGraw-Hill Building, 674ft (205m), Completed 12. Lincoln Building, 673ft (205m), Completed 13. Citicorp Building, 673ft (205m), Completed 14. Barclay Tower, 673ft (205m), Completed 15. Paramount Plaza, 670ft (204m), Completed 16. 440 West 42nd Street, 669ft (204m), Completed 17. Trump Tower, 664ft (202m), Completed 18. 514 11th Avenue, 656ft+ (200m+), Proposed 19. ... . . . 56. ... In total: 56 buildings 500 footers: 120 buildings+ |
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Yeah and the city seems to listen to non skyscraper knowing people who spend their whole day inside (nimbys). So when they're happy, then the city might start seeing some change.
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Update / New additions:
Hudson Yards Mixed-used Tower, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed Hudson Yards Residential Tower, 800ft+ (243,8m+), Proposed Nobu Tower, 709ft (216,1m), Approved 107 West 57th Street, 697ft (212,5m), Proposed |
Pretty soon supertalls will be popping up all over the city...
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300m towers already will be everywhere soon enough, how about some 4-500 meter towers? :cool:
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It would be nice to have something like this in this area (with this rezoning). :haha:
The Amazing Spider Man http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/2...ingspider1.jpg Avengers http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/4...dingstark1.jpg Images taken from the trailer... I saw those scenes, and the first thing I thought was that it would be nice to have something like that in the city.:cool: |
A great day for New York. 1WTC has finally surpassed the ESB and is now the tallest skycraper in the city. :cheers:
Btw the new Batman trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?src_vid...&v=m5VDDJlsD6I Featuring some NY skyline shots... |
Small update:
225 West 57th Street, 1200ft+ (365,8m+), Proposed NOW 225 West 57th Street, 1250ft (381m), Proposed (likely to exceed 1300ft) |
As I recall the original Twin Towers had a lot of politics as well. Design was always secondary to the decision-makers. But I guess every tower has a lot of this.
I hope they make it as tall as possible because something tells me it'll be the last NY super-tower we'll see in our lifetimes. Chicago is much friendlier to tower construction nowadays. Miami is the best. To reiterate, NYC is a very poor place to build super towers. Because the taxes and cost of living are too high, most companies don't see the benefit of over-paying employees. The property values, ancient infrastructure, urban politics is a deterrent to more and more companies choosing the outskirts for the location of corporate headquarters. This WTC is a public relations disaster in this perspective. I remember when Trump was building a tower and like a million people protested it because "it blocks the view of other towers". Ridiculous! See: Seattle "manhattanization" and the result on Seattle construction rates... |
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