The issue for conservatives isn't really one of science or if we need to do something about climate change.
conservatives are really only the wealthy elites. That they have convinced so many to follow them blindly and vote against their own interests is shocking. conservativism is based on one premise - greed. It's the wealthy elites that refuse to give up any of their privilege or wealth. They oppose a carbon tax because they disagree with any form of taxation, and they disagree with any concept of government that includes taxation. So they go off the entire concept that taxes are bad, and since a carbon tax is a tax, it must be bad. Now, I'm also of the opinion that there should never be rebates, but rather the income from the CT should be used to develop and support green infrastructure ( e.g. nationwide EV charging grid, high speed maglev trains, etc) |
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Lionel Barrymore was asking gangster Edward G. Robinson what he wanted by returning to the States at Key Largo after having been deported. Humphrey Bogart pipes up and answers "I'll tell you what he wants.....he wants more.". Robinson happily agrees, saying "Yeah....that's it....i want more!" To me this perfectly explains modern conservatism and the people they work for. They want "more", and nothing will ever satisfy them. |
Whether or not you believe that implementing a carbon tax at this time is good public policy for Canada, I don't think there's anyone who can reasonably conclude that a carbon tax will be effective, it will have ZERO effect on lowering global CO2 emissions. Many argue that implementation of carbon taxes in relatively efficient western nations will increase global emissions as production shifts to locations where a carbon tax is not imposed.
Increase in total fossil CO2 emissions 1990-2017: Top four western economies United States 0.4% Japan 15.0% Germany -21.8% United Kingdom -35.7% Canada (7th) 35.0% China 353.7% India 305.1% At the moment people are simply moaning as the sting is yet to be felt. The top roughly 20% will virtue signal as the tax will not be a significant impediment to that demographic's living standards, they will simply direct their consumption habits to increased efficiencies. The bottom 20%, those who are generally renters and do not own private transport will likely not be affected to any great degree and may come out slightly ahead due to the rebates. These are the people on this forum who insist, despite much evidence to the contrary, that the tax is completely revenue neutral. They have "drunk the kool-aid". It is the middle 60%, the working class and the broad middle class who will feel a palpable decline in living standards, as many are already struggling to make ends meet and are unable to afford the expenditures necessary for increased efficiency in the home and for transportation. Also, many in this group are also likely to suffer negative financial consequences from real estate asset depreciation that is occurring and expected to continue in several major Canadian markets in the near future. The carbon tax will also be very detrimental to rural and small town economies, particularly outside of the southern Ontario/southwestern Quebec heartland. By 2022 the carbon tax is planned to rise to $50 per tonne from the current $20 per tonne, a 150% in just three years. Unless there are significant increases in wages, and that is very unlikely given expected economic performance (Canada is in a per capita recession...but you won't hear that on the sycophantic CBC) the decline in living standards felt by the majority will result in incredible political pressure either to alleviate the burden on the majority (increased rebates and sector subsidization) or to scrap the tax altogether as was done in Australia. Canadians are very sensitive to the country's economic performance, currency value, standard of living and prices vis-a-vis the U.S. Canada can reduce carbon emissions and maintain economic growth by encouraging increased efficiencies in transportation, agriculture, residential usage and industry over the long term and by following a sensible population strategy, one that reflects the needs of the Canadian economy. An investment rather than a punitive focus. |
I never quite understood this notion of someone being "conservative" and automatically agreeing with every policy that's put out politically by the conservative party or being "liberal" and agreeing with everything there.
Aren't the majority of people somewhat mixed and have to decide who to vote on based on what subjects are most important to them? Anyway, some of the discussion above was in relation to why would people change their behaviour if they're getting the money back. Everyone gets the same amount back, regardless of how much they are spending on carbon tax. You will still be saving money by reducing your carbon consumption. Its revenue neutral in a sense, but the revenue is being unevenly redistributed to a higher proportion to those who are spending less on carbon. |
On a single-axis political spectrum, Canada's three major political parties range from very slightly left of centre to very slightly right of centre. All are globalist in orientation.
Stop framing the carbon tax debate in left/right terms. |
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Should we base all our policies and laws in Canada on what the total global effect is? Should we repeal our laws against murder and crime because they simply won't affect global numbers? Of course not. We (and any other country that has) implement a carbon tax because it's the right thing to do and it will lower emissions in our country. |
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Your second point is a false analogy. Incidentally, if you really want to reduce your carbon emissions, do not keep a dog. One dog has a yearly carbon footprint of a SUV with an annual mileage of 20,000 km. A dog consumes about 30% of the meat based proteins as a typical person and meat production from beginning to end is one of the most carbon heavy (and water heavy) industries. Cutting the number of domestic pets in Canada by half would reduce CO2 emissions by the equivalent of nearly one million cars. Also, it might allow your neighbours to enjoy a little bit more peace and quiet. |
Now assaulting dogs. When will it end.
Stop life!! Then we'll be good. |
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Alternative facts became a popular phrase a few years ago. Maybe certain parties will start touting alternative science.;) |
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Haha just kidding of course. It is worth noting conspiracy theorists tend to lean to the hard right. |
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Sask. will be the most negatively affected of all provinces. Manitoba is in a better position due to a higher share of its energy demands met by renewables and its more urban and concentrated population. |
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What really pisses me off is these mofos who want public resources expended on dog parks when the existing parks are not being maintained to an adequate standard. |
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