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WINNIPEG| The Exchange District |Market Lands Redevelopment

http://centreventure.com/market-lands

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Overview
The Market Lands are situated in the heart of Winnipeg's Exchange District, central to many of Winnipeg's historical, cultural, and emerging community assets. For the last fifty years the site has been home to Winnipeg's Public Safety Building and Civic Parkade. At the time of the founding of the City of Winnipeg in the early 1800's, it was the site of the city's public market and a centre of commerce and trade.

The redevelopment of these lands presents an unparalleled opportunity to create something great, in one of Winnipeg's greatest downtown neighbourhoods. Winnipeggers are being asked to get engaged in the process by providing their input into the redevelopment of the lands. This webpage is a platform for people to be informed, to be consulted, and to get involved.

Conceptual plans in Winnipeg's Exchange District to replace the now vacant public safety building and civic parkade.

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WINNIPEG — Development renderings for the downtown Market Lands site show a vibrant space to reinvigorate the city’s Exchange District.

CentreVenture Development Corporation unveiled urban design framework on Wednesday, following an extensive public consultation process.

Part of the plan calls for a new public market building, better connections to surrounding areas, such as Old Market Square and Chinatown, and a new pedestrian access way running through the site along Market Avenue. Outdoor public spaces will be surrounded by mixed-use developments with places to live, work, and play.

The corporation was tasked in January 2017 of coming up with a development plan for the former Public Safety Building and Civic Parkade.

“This vision and framework is built soundly on peoples’ ideas and aspirations for this important place,” said CentreVenture CEO Angela Mathieson.

“This collaboration will continue as we move forward and we encourage more people, businesses, and organizations to get involved in this historic opportunity to bring even more light and vibrancy to the Exchange District.”

The urban design framework was released at the launch of a three-day project open house at the Red River College Princess Street campus.

CentreVenue has also issued a request for expression of interest from organizations and businesses interested in occupying space at Market Lands. A design competition is being planned for later this spring to further bring ideas for the southern portion of the site.

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It's down to the final five
Special jury to decide among proposals for development of former PSB site
By: Kevin Rollason | Posted: 12/6/2018 3:00 AM

The former headquarters for the Winnipeg Police Service and an adjacent parkade will soon have in its place affordable housing, a market hall and public art.

The 2.4-acre downtown site, now known as Market Lands, will be one step closer from vision to reality, when proposals from five shortlisted architectural and design teams are presented to a special jury at an event Friday evening at the Canadian Museum for Human Rights.

City of Winnipeg arm’s-length agency CentreVenture Development Corp. will unveil the five shortlisted designs for the site, which include affordable housing and a creative hub that features space for arts organizations, galleries, outdoor public art and a public market to incubate new, creative businesses.

The public will have a chance — albeit a quick one — to put forward thoughts on the proposals, by taking part in an online survey at marketlands.ca that will go live Friday around 5 a.m.

Angela Mathieson, president and chief executive officer of CentreVenture, said Wednesday the jury will make its selection on or before Dec. 14.

"(The proposals) are all based on the principles which came to us during the (earlier) public consultation," Mathieson said. "The visions we’ve adopted conform to the public use."

Of the designs, only one is by a Winnipeg firm (1x1 Architecture Inc.). The firm, which was the architect behind the St. Vital Park Pavilion, has teamed up with dRMM and LDA Design of London, England.

One of the highlighted proposals comes from Dialog — which has studios in several cities, including San Francisco, Vancouver and Toronto — teamed with Jenifer Papararo, a public art consultant who is also the executive director of Winnipeg’s Plug In Institute of Contemporary Art.

Other firms vying for the contract are Montreal-based Daoust Lestage, Toronto-based Dtah, and Montreal-based Saucier and Perrotte, in partnership with Gustafson Guthrie Nichol of Seattle.

Mathieson said except for 1x1, none of the firms have previously developed projects in Winnipeg.

The jury includes Mathieson, John Kiernan (City of Winnipeg director of planning, property and development), Annitta Stenning (president and CEO of the CancerCare Manitoba Foundation) and Alan Tate (head of the department of landscape architecture at the University of Manitoba).

Mathieson said they hope once a design is chosen, they can take it to city council for approval and begin moving towards construction. She said the former Public Safety Building and the long-closed Civic Centre Parkade will be demolished by the end of 2019, and construction could start in 2020.

There has been almost two years of public consultation and planning to get to this stage of the project, she said.

"This is a critical step, picking the design and the team that will bring the project to reality," Mathieson said.

"There has been tremendous interest in the project, and many groups are getting on board to be part of this exciting opportunity to redefine an important part of the Exchange District. We expect the Market Lands to become another go-to destination in Winnipeg."
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Design Competition Winner Announced

CentreVenture Development Corporation, today announced the winning design submission to the Market Lands southern parcel design competition. The ‘New Market Square’ by Daoust Lestage was unanimously selected by the Jury. The goal of the competition was to solicit design concepts for new affordable housing, a public market, and plazas on the southern parcel of the Market Lands site, integrated into the surrounding context of the Exchange District.

“The jury was impressed by the high quality of all the five submissions and was so grateful for the effort and thoughtfulness applied,” said architect Dudley Thompson, Professional Advisor to the design competition. “The winning design best responded to the competition program and presented the most successful concept to achieve a wonderful new destination in downtown Winnipeg.”

The jury appreciated the clarity of the proposal and agreed that its stand-alone glass market structure and surrounding plazas presented an inviting space for visitors, with multiple uses. The orientation of the plan, following the historic footprint of the historic market, was a powerful statement and environmentally sensitive, ensuring the public spaces are flooded with sunlight throughout the year and at different times of day. The new market square provides a strong new connection between the Red River College heritage buildings, Old Market Square, and City Hall complex.

Members of the jury included: Bruce Kuwabara , Founding Principal, KPMB Architects Toronto; Eladia Smoke, Principal, Smoke Architecture, Hamilton; Angela Mathieson, President & CEO, CentreVenture, Winnipeg; John Kiernan, Director, Planning, Property and Development, City of Winnipeg, Winnipeg; Alan Tate, Professor and Head of Landscape Architecture, University of Manitoba, Winnipeg; Zephyra Vun, Executive Director, Design Quarter Winnipeg, Winnipeg; Annitta Stenning, CEO, CancerCare Manitoba Foundation, Winnipeg.

"I’d like to thank all of the five short-listed teams for their submissions and congratulate the team of Daoust Lestage, who have created a concept that will add a new jewel in the heart of the Exchange District," said Angela Mathieson CEO of CentreVenture. “I’d also like to thank the Jury for their careful deliberation and guidance in this important project."

The design competition was launched in July 2018. 23 design teams from across Canada submitted proposals during the pre-qualification stage of the competition. In October 2018, five teams were shortlisted to participate in the design competition. On December 7, 2018, all five design proposals were presented in a public forum to the Jury at the Canadian Museum for Human Rights.

Through 2019 CentreVenture will work with the Daoust Lestage team, community partners, and the City of Winnipeg to further refine and detail the design. Construction of the project is expected to commence sometime in 2020.

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UPDATE FEB 2021:
CentreVenture announced federal funding today for the development of 20,000 sq.ft. of long-term affordable creative space in phase one of Marketlands.

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Carry over from Exchange District main thread:

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DESIGN COMPETITION
NOTICE OF OPPORTUNITY - JUNE 29, 2018

CentreVenture Development Corporation is pleased to announce an open, international design competition for the redevelopment of 0.8 Acres (0.32Ha) of land in downtown Winnipeg. The vision for the project is to create a new urban destination with a pedestrian oriented internal plaza, zero setback buildings, public, open, and permeable spaces at the ground level, transparent residential connections with balconies or terraces and a granular, intense, informal, urban market – one that enables local vendors to create their own environment, texture and character in a daylight–filled winter-city structure.

The competition is for a design that includes a new 100 unit affordable housing complex, a 700 sm (7500sf) market building and a1500 sm (16,150sf) plaza. This will be a two-phase competition with Phase 1 an RFQ to select a shortlist of up to five (5) design teams for Phase 2 to prepare a conceptual design. One member of each team is required to be formally registered as a member in good standing in one of the Provincial Architectural Associations in Canada.
The winning submission will receive CAD$100,000 Competition prize with additional funds available to the completion of the schematic design stage. The winner will have the opportunity to enter into a formal contract with the proponent for the full architectural design. The other four finalists will receive an honorarium of CAD$10,000 each.

The competition will be evaluated by a panel of seven interdisciplinary judges including Bruce Kuwabara (KPMB Architects); Eladia Smoke (Smoke Architecture); Angela Mathieson (CentreVenture); John Kiernan (City of Winnipeg); Alan Tate (University of Manitoba); Zephyra Vun (Winnipeg Design Quarter); Annitta Stenning (CancerCare Manitoba Foundation). Emphasis will be on architectural design excellence and a creative, pragmatic and vibrant urban design solution centred on a quantifiable Energy Use Intensity target.

Phase 1 RFQ opens August 1/18 and closes September 14/18.

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Originally Posted by Biff (Post 8268162)

Market Lands international design competition for the redevelopment of 0.8 Acres (0.32Ha) for the southern most portion of the former PSB property.

The competition is for a design that includes a new 100 unit affordable housing complex, a 700 sm (7500sf) market building and a1500 sm (16,150sf) plaza.

http://centreventure.com/get-engaged

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Originally Posted by buzzg (Post 8268183)

"Pedestrian oriented internal plaza" frightens me. It should not be internal... it should open to the SE corner to integrate with OMS. Closing it off from the street is an awful idea for safety and street-interaction reasons. Also seems a little bizarre to do this content only for the south third of the property with no context or plan for what's happening with the rest. Why wouldn't the contest or plan before the entire block?

https://www.canadianarchitect.com/co...ds/1003743729/

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International design competition launched for Winnipeg’s Market Lands
The CentreVenture Development Corporation is pleased to announce an open, international design competition for the redevelopment of 0.8 Acres (0.32Ha) of land in downtown Winnipeg. The vision for the ‘Market Lands’ project is to create a new urban destination with a pedestrian oriented internal plaza, zero setback buildings, public, open, and permeable spaces at the ground level, transparent residential connections with balconies or terraces and a granular, intense, informal, urban market – one that enables local vendors to create their own environment, texture and character in a daylight-filled winter-city structure.

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The competition is for a design that includes a new 100 unit affordable housing complex, a 700 sm (7500sf) market building and a 1500 sm (16,150sf) plaza. This will be a two-phase competition with Phase 1 an RFQ to select a shortlist of up to five (5) design teams for Phase 2 to prepare a conceptual design. One member of each team is required to be formally registered as a member in good standing in one of the Provincial Architectural Associations in Canada.

The winning submission will receive CAD$100,000 Competition prize with additional funds available to the completion of the schematic design stage. The winner will have the opportunity to enter into a formal contract with the proponent for the full architectural design. The other four finalists will receive an honorarium of CAD$10,000 each.

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The competition will be evaluated by a panel of seven interdisciplinary judges including Bruce Kuwabara (KPMB Architects); Eladia Smoke (Smoke Architecture); Angela Mathieson (CentreVenture); John Kiernan (City of Winnipeg); Alan Tate (University of Manitoba); Zephyra Vun (Winnipeg Design Quarter); Annitta Stenning (CancerCare Manitoba Foundation). Emphasis will be on architectural design excellence and a creative, pragmatic and vibrant urban design solution centred on a quantifiable Energy Use Intensity target.

The Phase 1 RFQ opens on August 1, 201818 and closes on September 14, 2018.

I am so glad that the players involved are aiming high on this project. I'm excited to see what kinds of plans the competition yields.

Anyone else a little bummed that they're going to destroy the old public safety building? I know it is not that widely regarded for being very aesthetic, but it is a somewhat famous instance of the brutalist architecture style, which we don't have a lot of other examples of (are there any others in town?). I wonder if in 30 years people will be cursing us for demolishing it.

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Originally Posted by joshlemer (Post 8285272)

There are some on the north side of Provencher beside the old city hall.

That picture looks so depressing: beige, beige, beige.

Just looked at the Exchange map above again... it has "MCCC Parkade" listed where the science centre (w/ parkade) is supposed to eventually go. Anyone know if the science centre component is being dropped now? That'd suck.

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Originally Posted by joshlemer (Post 8285272)

I am not at all. IMO, sure it's cool that it's an example of rare architecture – but it's completely falling apart and dangerous, and it's not accessible from the street, rendering it not a very good fit for the area. To me historic preservation is great, but not at the expense neighbourhood building, usefulness, etc.

It reminds me (in a roundabout way) of the brutal results of the Mitchell-Copp facade. It should have either been forced to be properly integrated into the building, or let it go. Now when you see it it literally looks like an "oh they made us do this" design. Looks ridiculous and isn't functional – the gates are closed most of the time and you have to enter the offices/Browns through the odd side door.

^ I just don't think the PSB is a very good example of brutalism. I love brutalism, but I think PSB rates a solid 'meh'. Now, if someone threatened RMTC, I'd be chaining myself to the building as it's a great example of brutalism. However, PSB would not be a huge loss.

That said, it's clear that a big mistake was made when the City opted to take on the Post Office complex as police HQ instead of renovating PSB and building an expansion on that block, but that horse left the barn years ago.

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 8285836)

I love brutalism

I don't think I can trust you ever again;)

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Originally Posted by Urban recluse (Post 8285386)

That picture looks so depressing: beige, beige, beige.

In all fairness, it's an aerial shot so rooftops and roads dominate the picture--which are expected to be "beige". Not to mention its taken at a time with no leaves on the trees and dead grass.

That being said, the PSB and parkade are actually as beige as it gets and I will be glad to see them go. That block is pretty much a black hole (beige hole?) right in the middle of the west Exchange.

I sincerely hope the market lands development is done right...although pretty much anything with windows would be an improvement over what's there now.

Lol, no settling for mediocrity.

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 8285178)

I am so glad that the players involved are aiming high on this project. I'm excited to see what kinds of plans the competition yields.

I agree. I honestly don't know what would be best for an area that is bordered by the RRCC, city hall/theatre district, the Exchange district and the "Chinatown" area. Do all these "themes" have a common element that can be incorporated into one shared space, or does it have to be. by necessity, part of one or the other?

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I really like the scale they ended up with. Hope that's close to what we see built.

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Originally Posted by pspeid (Post 8292989)

I'd say this is part of "The Exchange" in terms of a design treatment/theme. Chinatown in effect (not sure of technicality) starts at James, so I'd hope the north side incorporates Chinatown on the street. I know people have said here before "give up on Chinatown" or that it's "dead." But the reality is there are still many Chinese businesses in the area, the street festival is bringing more attention to it again, and with Marketlands coming up, and Exchange development starting to move north, it's going to experience a renaissance in 3–5 years. That plus all the Chinese-inspired buildings. Excited for the future of Chinatown.

They also have the benefit of being in the Downtown BIZ zone, and the DBIZ has a lot more money than Exchange BIZ.

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Originally Posted by buzzg (Post 8294281)

This would be great to see. I'm not sure if the entire concept of a "Chinatown" is dated or not. Perhaps, however, the street can be developed to highlight ties to Winnipeg's sister city in China, Chengdu. New business (and buildings) could house offices of representatives of that city, with other businesses offering goods specifically from that city??

Chinatowns are distinctively gimmicky, the cliche Chinese-yness of pagoda roofs, dragons and gates are not even part of modern China's architectural vernacular and haven't been for years and years. I have nothing wrong with a small grouping of Chinese or oriental businesses but maybe it's time to drop the chinatown branding and let the Exchange District absorb that area. There is not much in 'Chinatown' and i cant see it ever growing past what it is now, like calling Provencher 'The French Quarter' it's deceiving to outsiders and rather disappointing. It will never be a thriving bustling Chinatown like SanFran or Toronto, with Market Lands coming along that area is better suited for organic Exchange District growth.

^ Calling it Chinatown and playing it up in tourism documents sets up unrealistic expectations. If there was even one decent block then I wouldn't take issue with keeping it on the map, but when this is what your best block looks like then it's probably best to just stay hush-hush about it. Chinatown is basically a historical footnote at this point.

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Originally Posted by buzzg (Post 8294281)

I don't think Chinatown has a future. Chinese newcomers are 90% settling in the south of the city, and while families will drive into Chinatown from time to time for a dinner or event, all new Chinese community services, businesses, community orgs, etc. will doubtless locate themselves in the south.

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Originally Posted by borkborkbork (Post 8296308)

It's to the point where I wonder if Chinese newcomers even know that old Chinatown exists. If you're a U of M student living near campus and whose social life revolves around the places on Pembina Highway, what do you need that little clump on King Street for? There are probably more things of interest to someone like that on any random block of South Pembina than there are in all of Chinatown.

At some point a new Chinese cultural centre will be built in Fort Richmond and that will basically spell the end of Chinatown.

I don’t think any of North America’s historic Chinatowns are the dominant landing place for Chinese immigrants anymore, and probably haven’t been since the 1950s. Just like Italians coming to Toronto most likely don’t move to Little Italy. But some of these historic Chinatowns continue to have a great cultural or familial significance to the region’s Chinese people.

The issue with Winnipeg’s Chinatown is that there does not seem to be any group taking the lead on even talking about the future of the neighbourhood. The Chinatown Development Corp. has been around for almost 50 years and has sometimes been very long on vision (they hired Gustavo Da Rosa to develop an urban renewal scheme in the early ‘70s) but mostly short on money to execute their vision. I don’t know where they’re at now – I think the last thing they did was demolish the Shanghai Restaurant, which was arguably the most important Chinatown landmark of them all. I worry they are unwilling to let go of the Chinatown ‘brand’ while continuing to the see the physical fabric of the neighbourhood gradually disappear. Decades of property owners waiting for the Second Coming of the Core Area Initiative has eaten away at the small scale buildings, the texture, the colour, and the interest that makes historic Chinatowns successful. Currently it’s more or less a wasteland that only really sees crowds on Sundays when the suburbs come for dim sum.

Meanwhile, I would imagine neither the City, the BIZ, the Market Lands team, or anyone else would ever do anything but defer to the Chinatown Development Corp. and whatever’s left of the Chinatown business community. They wouldn’t want to look like they’re erasing the cultural history of the neighbourhood by moving away from the Chinatown image.

^ One of the big the problems is that Chinatown lacks critical mass, and it isn't very visible. As such I think there's less importance attached to making it a presentable place. No heavy hitters in the Chinese community are going to donate a million dollars to a project in an area that's surrounded by vacant lots and run down buildings.

By contrast, Edmonton has a fairly small Chinatown too as far as Chinatowns go, but it does at least dominate a couple of city blocks on 97th with shops and restaurants and as such I think it's taken care of a bit more. Not surprisingly, it manages to draw activity and development. It may not be the hub of the Chinese community anymore there either, but it's still to some extent the face of the community in that city, and as such it is still a bit of a priority.

I guess what it boils down to is that Chinatown feels more like a vestigial part of ye olden days that's slowly fading away than a living, breathing, dynamic part of Winnipeg's ethnocultural makeup.

Yes, they tore down a 128 year old heritage building to put up an empty lot.

Yeah, losing the Shanghai and Marigold closing across the street certainly hasn't helped.

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DESIGN COMPETITION SHORTLIST

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CentreVenture Development Corporation is pleased to announce the shortlist for the Market Lands - Southern Parcel - Design Competition. From 23 exceptional submissions to the Request for Qualifications (RFQ) Stage, the Competition Jury has selected the following 5 teams to compete in the Request for Proposal (RFP) Stage.

DAOUST LESTAGE

https://daoustlestage.com/en/
Daoust Lestage is a multi-disciplinary firm based in Montreal, providing services in architecture, urban design, landscape, interior, graphic and industrial design. In 2012 they recieved the RAIC Governor General's Medal in Architecture for Quartier des Spactacles, a network of open-air theatres that surround Place des Arts in the heart of Montreal. They have partnered with Transolar (Sustainability Consultant) and Rina Greer (Public Art Consultant).

DIALOG

http://www.dialogdesign.ca/
Dialog is multi-disciplinary firm of architects, urban planners, interior designers, structural, mechanical and electrical engineers, and landscape architects. They have studios in San Francisco, Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary, and Toronto. Principal, Joost Bakker, is nicknamed the "Market Man" having designed numerous public markets across Canada, including Granville Island in Vancouver. They team with Jenifer Papararo (Public Art Consultant) who is also the Executive Director of Plug In Institute of Contemporary Art in Winnipeg.

DTAH

https://dtah.com/
Dtah is an integrated architecture, landscape architecture, urban design and interiors firm, based in Toronto. They have repeated success in designing community hub projects that employ food, art, and the environment as cultural catalysts including award winning projects such as Evergreen Brick Works and Artscape Wychwood Barns. They have teamed with with Purpose Building (Sustainability Consultant) and Entro (Public Art Consultant).

1x1 Architecture Inc. & dRMM & LDA Design

https://www.1x1architecture.ca/
http://drmm.co.uk/
http://www.lda-design.co.uk/
1x1 Architecture Inc. is a Winnipeg-based architectural firm, recognized in 2017 by Canadian Architect Magazine as an 'emerging talent'. They have teamed with dRMM (Architecture) and LDA Design (Landscape Architecture) from London, England. In 2017, dRMM's Hasting Pier project was awarded the Royal Institute of British Architects (RIBA) Stirling Prize, given annually to the best building in the United Kingdom. They are joined by Atelier Ten (Sustainability Consultant) and Lisa Kehler Art + Projects (Public Art Consultant) of Winnipeg.

Saucier+Perrotte Architectes & Gustafson Guthrie Nichol (GGN)

http://saucierperrotte.com/en
https://www.ggnltd.com/
Founded in 1988, Saucier+Perrotte is based in Montreal. The recipient of eight RAIC Governor General's Medals, S+P is is the architect for River City, a 1000 unit LEED Gold housing project in Toronto’s West Don Lands. Gustafson Guthrie Nichol (GGN) is a landscape architecture firm based in Seattle, with notable work such as the Museum of African American History, the Lurie Garden at Millenium Park, and the Bill and Melinda Foundation Campus. They team with RWDI (Sustainability Consultant) and Ciara McKeown (Public Art Consultant).

^ Well, that's encouraging...

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 8334441)

^ Well, that's encouraging...

Yes nice to see some progress on this, even if it's the very early stages. I'm looking forward to seeing what some of the design ideas are.

Public market! Public market!

Too bad we don't have any major fisheries nearby. That would be amazing

Really? Have you considered Lake Winnipeg?

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Originally Posted by Ando (Post 8334649)

Really? Have you considered Lake Winnipeg?

Pickerel only goes so far

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 8334441)

^ Well, that's encouraging...

Some very prestigious firms have been shortlisted, very good news indeed.

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Originally Posted by optimusREIM (Post 8334684)

Pickerel only goes so far

Ummm, Lake Winnipeg is home to Canada's largest commercial freshwater fisheries industry. And, also, there are more freshwater species available than just Pickerel.

Pickerel followed by lake whitefish. Goldeye is a popular smoked fish. A lot of rough fish have a bad reputation. Burbot ( other wise known as freshwater cod) can be very tasty if it is prepared properly. It is called poor man’s lobster because of the similarity in flavour to lobster. There also is perch and northern pike. Smoked carp is popular in England. I just wish that the fishing industry here can be promoted more. It would be nice to have a Manitoba chef create something great with Manitoba fish or at least explore freshwater fish.Have like a few popular local “seafood” restaurants in Winnipeg or some of the lakeside resort towns one day. Oh and a fish market would be great also. We should be the new maritime province.

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Originally Posted by dennis (Post 8335099)

Ok then where is my fish market with the catch of the day?

Edit: sorry for sounding snarky. I feel like if there's a fishing industry here it is severely underrepresented and impossible to find. (Almost)

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Originally Posted by optimusREIM (Post 8335118)

I think the way freshwater fish was marketed until very recently (through FFMC) probably had a lot to do with the low profile of the industry. With a few odd exceptions, fishermen had to sell through the single desk. That likely stifled the growth of fisherman-operated shops and markets.

(Although I do recall that around Gimli there are a couple of longstanding fish stores that sell directly to consumers, I'm not quite sure how that works. Maybe they just bought through FFMC?)

Shops are fine but a public market where you can get fish caught the same morning and many fishermen bring in there catch is awesome. A building like the forks market would actually be perfect for the task.

There is a fresh fish market on Dufferin and another on Pembina. Local fresh fish every day when in season.

There's also a Gimli Fish in Transcona now too! Although it's not to open air market with catch of the day, still gets you fish. I believe you can also special order from them. Or at least ask if they have certain types of fish that could be brought in.

Gimli fish was caught selling mis-labelled fish a few years back, claiming Manitoba pickerel but really out of Europe. Saying it must have been an error, despite it being the case in all their stores, and despite it being brought to their attention months earlier by an employee and ignored.

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Originally Posted by bomberjet (Post 8335688)

My basic desire is something that provides the atmosphere and energy of a public market. But maybe I've been tainted by travel and watching too much Parts Unknown.

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Originally Posted by cheswick (Post 8335736)

sounds very fishy. I'll bet they are not even from Gimli.

I'd like to see something along the lines of the Milwaukee public market. It was built in 2005 at a cost of 10M, i think the area could definitely support something on this scale, especially given how popular farmers markets have been downtown in recent years.

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^ It's actually surprising that we don't have a big permanent market like that. All we have is the St. Norbert market. I think The Forks Market could have played that role, but it's unlikely that they would ever go from being the quasi-retail mall they are now to being a food market.

Something like the Milwaukee market would be perfect for the Marketlands site. It could fit into the northernmost 1/3 of the block.

That would be amazing – the good thing about something like that with kiosks is that it can be a mix of food and retail. Would be good for local artisans/makers to have a little shop.

The number one major set back for The Forks is it's isolated location from the rest of Downtown. A food market is going to thrive on 6-7 day a week activity and will heavily rely on foot traffic from the surrounding population. Being that many of a food market's items are perishable (cheese, meats, fish, baked goods) the office worker lunch time crowd and permanent residential population is key to it's success. The Forks market is too segregated from that downtown lunch time office crowd, on a one hour lunch break it's too far of a walk especially in winter. I could see things changing in the future as the forks better integrates it's connectivity with the downtown and grows it's residential population and relays less on being a drive to destination.

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Originally Posted by buzzg (Post 8335911)

That would be amazing – the good thing about something like that with kiosks is that it can be a mix of food and retail. Would be good for local artisans/makers to have a little shop.

Agreed, i could see many businesses setting up a satellite location, like some of the fantastic bakeries that have opened over the years or coffee shops, meat/butcher deli, Bothwell cheese...

Wow, spend a little time and cruise around in the Historic Third Ward area of Milwaukee on Google Earth. What a great neighborhood (similar to the Exchange). Also love how they utilize their waterways, 5 -10 storey apartments all along, boat parking. I know our river water levels fluctuate a lot but we could be a little more creative in living along them. I will have to visit this area.

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Originally Posted by optimusREIM (Post 8335118)

That was the point I was trying to get across. There are many fish here but they are poorly promoted. If only we could have them in markets and restaurants on a bigger scale.

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Originally Posted by Biff (Post 8335984)

It's totally worth a visit! My wife and I were in Milwaukee a couple of years ago and we loved it. There's definitely a great small city "vibe" there that we felt could be emulated in Winnipeg. Also, go to dinner at The Safe House, a very fun theme restaurant (with great burgers).

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