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Dan in Chicago Jul 9, 2014 1:13 AM

CHICAGO | St. Regis Chicago (Vista) | 1,191 FT | 101 FLOORS
 
Height: 1,186 ft
Floor count: 98
Location: 375 East Wacker (Lakeshore East)
Construction end: 2018
Architect: Studio Gang Architects
Developer: Wanda Group and Magellan Development Group (joint venture)




http://www.llnyc.com/wp-content/uplo...16/04/1x-1.jpg

munchymunch Jul 9, 2014 1:37 AM

http://th08.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/...ik-d4cw2di.png

:cheers:

Jeanne Gang tower???

This plan seems pretty advance, funding won't be an issue, as long as there are no road-blocks.

ndrwmls10 Jul 9, 2014 1:40 AM

Better article of the Wanda Group hotel project.

http://www.nzweek.com/business/wanda...hicago-114885/

BVictor1 Jul 9, 2014 1:45 AM

Beat me to it ndrwmls10

the urban politician Jul 9, 2014 1:49 AM

Good God, hell yes to this news.

chicubs111 Jul 9, 2014 1:58 AM

Sooo this is the Jeanee Gang tower we are concluding?

wierdaaron Jul 9, 2014 2:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan in Chicago (Post 6646566)
Here's a bit of exciting news: http://www.wantinews.com/news-863718...ed-States.html

It would really be something to have a pair of supertalls guarding the mouth of the Chicago River, if this and the Spire get built.

Was this article written in another language and translated by a machine? And tallest building in Chicago at 350 meters? Did sears tower fall down?

hawainpanda Jul 9, 2014 2:04 AM

this is great, but i hope it doesn't hurt the spire's ability to get funding, I know spire will be condo's, but Related did have interest in building some apts in the spire

Saber925 Jul 9, 2014 2:09 AM

Article and pix:
http://english.sina.com/business/p/2...08/716632.html

munchymunch Jul 9, 2014 2:11 AM

^^^
http://img.news.sina.com/business/p/...0709095107.jpg

wierdaaron Jul 9, 2014 2:15 AM

Gang designed that?...

ndrwmls10 Jul 9, 2014 2:18 AM

A 6 story increase from May.

Chi-Sky21 Jul 9, 2014 2:19 AM

This seems more likely than a supertall Spire. Hope this news is true.

J_M_Tungsten Jul 9, 2014 2:20 AM

At 350m, that would make this the third tallest building in Chicago. And the John Hancock would be fifth!

ChickeNES Jul 9, 2014 2:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by munchymunch (Post 6646637)

Well that looks familiar. That napkin sketch from a couple of weeks ago was bang-on.

hawainpanda Jul 9, 2014 2:33 AM

dont' really like it, honestly feel i would rather have a box than this one, it just looks like 3 buildings stacked next to each other....maybe if the tallest section was in the middle it would seem more unified

munchymunch Jul 9, 2014 2:37 AM

Like the height, ok design

Chicago_Forever Jul 9, 2014 2:39 AM

Sorry but I'm just not feelin it. :runaway:

harryc Jul 9, 2014 2:39 AM

^^ If the corners had balconies - 1/2 with the walls receding behind you, and 1/2 with the corner looming over your head.

LouisVanDerWright Jul 9, 2014 2:44 AM

Confimed by a more mainstream source:

http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/chinas-...&mg=reno64-wsj

I'm even suprised how accurate my sketch was:

http://imgur.com/b4ag5iS.jpg

Kngkyle Jul 9, 2014 2:48 AM

Not sure how I feel about the design. I think it would be better as two tall sections on each side. Something more like this... (quick job to give the idea)

http://kngkyle.com/uploads/2014-07-08_2147.png

Perhaps cut the height of the middle section in half as well.

hawainpanda Jul 9, 2014 2:53 AM

ugh yea, this design is bothering me more and more as i look at it, Its great to have a super tall in chicago, but unlike LA's Wilshire, SF salesforce, and Philly's Comcast, or the spire all of which will be instant classics, this design is a turd, the three diff heights.....just really makes it look like 3 sep buildings...IMO if it was just slightly thinner and looked liked a single tower vs 3 thing tower it would look great.

Honestly, LouisVanDerWright, your sketches are 100000000x better, i hope to god this isn't the final design

ardecila Jul 9, 2014 3:01 AM

YEE HAW!!

Now we're back in business!

Even if this tower looks like something from Dubai... I expected a little more refinement out of Jeanne Gang...

Also, this doesn't look like 350m tall. Possibly in the 900'-1000' range though.

ndrwmls10 Jul 9, 2014 3:04 AM

Maybe this isn't the design? The first reports in May had the tower at 83 stories.

Notyrview Jul 9, 2014 3:11 AM

Hmm, yeah, really underwhelmed by this. I guess it's like when you think a movie is going to be so amazing and then it's just ok.

BVictor1 Jul 9, 2014 3:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 6646718)
YEE HAW!!

Now we're back in business!

Even if this tower looks like something from Dubai... I expected a little more refinement out of Jeanne Gang...

Also, this doesn't look like 350m tall. Possibly in the 900'-1000' range though.

Might be measured from the park level.

wierdaaron Jul 9, 2014 3:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright (Post 6597700)
This:

http://i.imgur.com/b4ag5iS.jpg

Excuse my shitty 10 min sketch, but you get the picture. Stacked frustrums that weave in and out in three bundled tubes with the middle one stopping short. I ran out of paper or I'd have finished the top, but you can see the general massing I sketched out to the left before I did the right one. I can see why Lowemburg would probably go at this with a VE chainsaw. Of course I have no idea what this actually looks like, but just trying to demonstrate the general massing Pilsenarch seems to be describing.

Golf clap.

2PRUROCKS! Jul 9, 2014 4:24 AM

Well I personally love the Gang design. It is the most adventurous Chicago highrise design since the Spire. I'm so sick of glass boxes and halfbaked concrete pomo designs. This is a refreshing departure even if Gang is a master at green washing.

rgolch Jul 9, 2014 4:26 AM

Well, nice to get something other than another bland box that we always seems to get. Nevertheless, my first reaction is a little guarded. Not sure I love it. It does seem a little ungainly, and chunky. Definitely not from the tall and thin school of thinking. Maybe it'll grow on me over time :shrug:.

EDIT: It looks better after I zoom the image and notice a lot more detail.

GregBear24 Jul 9, 2014 4:38 AM

If this is the real design indeed, then I'm more than satisfied with it at this location. There's still the site at LSE that hugs LSD, and this design is far superior and more interesting than 111 wacker by an immeasurable margin. There could potentially be 2 more supertalls within a few hundred yards of this futuristic building- if built. I think most of us chicago folks are in no position to be anything less than excited about this. We'll see how legit this financing is, and only time will tell whether this is realistic. However, I'm excited to even see something like this pop up and grab my interest for now.

wierdaaron Jul 9, 2014 4:42 AM

More trivia than anything else, but a building there would kill most of the view of Aqua from the river (meaning the tour boat crowd would see less of it). I guess Gang probably wouldn't care since the thing blocking the view of her building is also her building.

Steely Dan Jul 9, 2014 4:45 AM

CHICAGO | LSE - Wanda Group Tower | 1,148 FT | 89 FLOORS | 
 
Yowzer!!!!

Me likey very much.

wierdaaron Jul 9, 2014 4:54 AM

I feel the need to relink Can We Please Stop Drawing Trees on Top of Skyscrapers?

petey2428 Jul 9, 2014 5:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wierdaaron (Post 6646746)
Golf clap.

Wow big props to the napkin drawing haha.

I'm not feeling it either. The third piece looks out of place. Maybe AT&T would use this building to advertise its 5 bar reception service though :shrug:

DePaul Bunyan Jul 9, 2014 5:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kngkyle (Post 6646704)
Not sure how I feel about the design. I think it would be better as two tall sections on each side. Something more like this... (quick job to give the idea)

http://kngkyle.com/uploads/2014-07-08_2147.png

Perhaps cut the height of the middle section in half as well.

I love the height, but the massing is off. I would like to see more detailed renders, but I think that the tall portion should be in the middle, the short one to the West, and the middle one on the East. And I'm not sure I like the the shape, I'm having a hard time seeing how each chunk is going to fit and interface with each other. It should look cool IRL though, I think the way each section casts shadows across the other with the recesses will make it look a bit more dynamic and less bulky.

I would almost like to see a smooth, curved look as opposed to the angled look, it would fit with Aqua better.

This:

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as opposed to this:


\ /
/ \
\ /
/ \
\ /

And with the highest portion, continue the contour, even just a skeleton, and have a spire that adds 200' or so.

Taller Jul 9, 2014 6:10 AM

This is cool

denizen467 Jul 9, 2014 6:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the urban politician (Post 6646609)
Good God, hell yes to this news.

Thought you were a proud and vocal hater, now s/he is "good"?

denizen467 Jul 9, 2014 6:34 AM

Some initial thoughts -

-I agree the massing is kind of awkward. (Maybe it could be mitigated by having a lighter color or feel to the tallest protruding portion, and a heavier color or feel to the lower portions, or some other commonly-deployed visual sleight of hand.) I wonder why the center and west portions are so short; it would look better if they were taller by a frustum or two. After all, rents are higher on higher floors.

-Magellan will no longer be in control, as Wanda is buying 90% of the project. With Magellan retaining only 10%, and this being a new 5-star hotel market entry for Wanda, maybe we can expect much less VE-ing?

-Despite it becoming a Wanda project, they're sticking with Gang and the basic plans she and Magellan came up with. This seems it could raise the prospect that other successful local developers could become "pre-developers" who prepackage location identification, parcel and approvals preparation, programs, and designs for Chinese or other information-poor, capital-abundant developers who come in and take over. (Probably what Davies was thinking at the Post Office, although he found a local partner, so far.) It goes beyond just raising debt or equity from those parts of the world; it provides an excellent, easy conduit for foreign developers to successfully, quickly enter the Chicago market, and also could allow our local developers to quickly free their teams to start looking at further projects.

-This height would exceed NYC's One57 and most supertalls proposed there, other than three that are impossibly thin and would be impressive if completed but are hardly assured of reaching that stage.

-If there wasn't a Chinese word for "frustum" yet, there sure will be now.

Tom Servo Jul 9, 2014 6:55 AM

Wow. This thing is gonna be huge! Can't wait to see better renderings. I'm really sick of blue glass; hopefully it gets darker. Idk. Cool massing though.

NYC2ATX Jul 9, 2014 7:02 AM

I understand the apprehension towards the design. It's definitely different, but it has an oddly "Chicago" flair to it...in the sense that these tube-like structures of three different heights are aligned in a row in a way that's not unlike the 9 bundled tubes of the Willis Tower. Kind of like a strange love-child between Willis and Trump. Also it's clear that this rendering is preliminary and that the design will likely be fine-tuned somewhat.

I'll wait and see. I just still want them to build The Chicago at Michigan and Roosevelt XD

HomrQT Jul 9, 2014 11:55 AM

Didn't see this article posted. I thought it read better.

http://www.chicagoarchitecture.org/2...akeshore-east/

HomrQT Jul 9, 2014 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wierdaaron (Post 6646852)

A lot of good points in there.

Perklol Jul 9, 2014 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicago_Forever (Post 6646690)
Sorry but I'm just not feelin it. :runaway:

Same. I just don't like the very light-blue color and the odd massing.

Hopefully it will look better once its completed.

Kenmore Jul 9, 2014 12:17 PM

IDK, it's a pretty ugly tower IMO

Onn Jul 9, 2014 12:18 PM

I like the design AND the height! This spot is screaming for a supertall just like this! :)

But I can't help but feel "Where's the Spire?" (Hence, the Chicago Spire!)

the urban politician Jul 9, 2014 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by denizen467 (Post 6646894)
Thought you were a proud and vocal hater, now s/he is "good"?

When did I ever hate Jeanne Gang?

I've loved pretty much every project she's done in Chicago

munchymunch Jul 9, 2014 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wierdaaron (Post 6646841)
More trivia than anything else, but a building there would kill most of the view of Aqua from the river (meaning the tour boat crowd would see less of it). I guess Gang probably wouldn't care since the thing blocking the view of her building is also her building.

The smallest part of it is on the right, there probably still be a view.

SamInTheLoop Jul 9, 2014 12:53 PM

^^ Think the reference there was to God, not Gang.

At any rate, my initial reaction to the rendering is a bit on the underwhelmed side as well, however that could be just as much or more a function of incredibly high expectations as anything else. It's got potential - and a lot of potential to grow on me as well. Wondering of course just how 'final' the design is in this rendering.....

Also, the wsj article seemed to imply a total project cost of no more than approximately $250 million. Seems to me to be at least somewhat on the low side to build what's in that rendering (and keeping in mind luxury hotel and condos for the residential)........Actually, scratch that - that up to $250 million would only be the equity investment I'm assuming.....total cost including debt of course could be much more........I have a feeling the leverage here will likely end up being quite a bit lower than other 'similar' projects.....

Skyguy_7 Jul 9, 2014 12:59 PM

Simply brilliant exchange between LVDW and Pilsenarch. Pretty much spot-on. Bravo!

Quote:

Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright (Post 6597700)
This:

http://i.imgur.com/b4ag5iS.jpg

Excuse my shitty 10 min sketch, but you get the picture...

Quote:

Originally Posted by pilsenarch (Post 6598345)
AMAZING, Louis.... not it EXACTLY, but very darn close...

I'm not sure to be more impressed with your ability to sketch it or my ability to describe it...

oh, and it IS one building and continuous floor plates, more or less...


UPChicago Jul 9, 2014 1:38 PM

I want to judge this negatively just as I judge the Spire negatively but in both I think the materials will look much different from the actual renders so this might be a masterpiece or a turd depending on the materials.


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