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sirkingwilliam Dec 3, 2017 2:09 PM

SAN ANTONIO│ Durango Apartments │ 151 FEET | 13 FLOORS │ Proposed
 
DURANGO APARTMENTS │ DOWNTOWN │ 12-FLOORS │ 134 FT

The first three floors are designed and seeking approval while the top section is just for massing purposes and still needs to be submitted for approval.

https://i.imgur.com/qCRcqO9.png

https://i.imgur.com/zzDWN35.png

https://i.imgur.com/VWOf4UH.png

https://i.imgur.com/lKsCxIT.png

https://i.imgur.com/W7PNo8S.png?1

jaga185 Dec 3, 2017 2:30 PM

Woot! Retail <3

Urbannizer Dec 4, 2017 2:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirkingwilliam (Post 8006489)
[CENTER]DURANGO APARTMENTS │ DOWNTOWN │ 12-FLOORS │ 134 FT

The first three floors are designed and seeking approval while the top section is just for massing purposes and still needs to be submitted for approval.

Does that mean it will be built in phases?

Restless 1 Dec 4, 2017 3:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbannizer (Post 8007149)
Does that mean it will be built in phases?

Probably means, given it's location, that they want to make sure the ground level fits with what the city wants to do in that area.

I doubt it will be built in stages, but obviously the approval process is going that way.

JACKinBeantown Dec 4, 2017 3:48 AM

Awesome!

mklunder13 Dec 4, 2017 4:02 AM

Interesting design so far. I know it's just a massing but it resembles the Standard Hotel in the Meatpacking District in NYC

Sigaven Dec 4, 2017 3:52 PM

As much as I am growing to loathe podium parking garages, this one looks pretty cool with those V-shaped columns. Reminds me of the Herzog+de Meuron one in Miami. Even better if the manage to achieve the vines growing down the sides, but I have a feeling that probably won't happen. If we continue to see parking podiums as the preferred parking solution over buried parking, I hope we can see more creative and interesting designs like this.

jaga185 Dec 4, 2017 4:49 PM

I also hope the massing stays the same.

I enjoy the it bends in and then out, that it's not just a box.

AwesomeSAView Dec 4, 2017 6:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaga185 (Post 8007591)
I also hope the massing stays the same.

I enjoy the it bends in and then out, that it's not just a box.



Exactly! Love that too!:cheers:
By the way there is an article about this project at mysa.com this morning.
Developers are from Wimberley apparently.

Anyone want to post the article?

Article says the whole project is going up for discussion and approval by the Historic Society.:tup:

Keep-SA-Lame Dec 4, 2017 6:58 PM

It's perfect. Let's build ten more.

Spoiler Dec 4, 2017 9:35 PM

According to the HDRC document, this rendering shows the plan for the upper stories minus details like windows. The HDRC wants it to be pointier.

sirkingwilliam Dec 5, 2017 5:53 AM

Rents are set to be nearly 3 dollars a square foot. The Cellars started it, the Floodgate continued it and now Durango Apartments will basically conform that high rent residential highrises can and will succeed in the urban marketplace. These were the ignitions/catalysts needed for high rise residential development in our urban core.

mklunder13 Dec 5, 2017 8:02 PM

Side note, how is FloodGate coming along?

Rynetwo Dec 12, 2017 1:21 PM

According to the developer the HDRC wants this building to be taller.

Quote:

"I’m a little confused on what they want me to do," Proctor said. "I came into this wanting to keep the height down, and it seems like the staff wants to make it taller. I was surprised. We tried to make it look thin, but if I have to taper the design, I'll have to go up higher, which changes the character of the building. I think we did some neat things on the design side, and now I’ve just got to figure out what to do next."

https://www.bizjournals.com/sananton...-12-story.html

jaga185 Dec 12, 2017 2:54 PM

The floodgate hasn't been brought to HDRC with the new designs yet, but remember there is a thread for that one for questions related to it. :)

I hope he makes it taller, but I'm happy with what it is. It's going to be tall for that corner anyway. Here's hoping!

Restless 1 Dec 14, 2017 5:35 PM

An article from the Rivard Report on this:

https://therivardreport.com/hdrc-cal...artment-tower/

The Historic and Design Review Commission last week readily approved the first three floors of a luxury apartment tower near Southtown, but it didn’t like the remaining nine due to perceived interference with views of downtown San Antonio’s skyline. Commissioners suggested that the tower be designed taller and more slender.

Generally, towers appear taller than they are wide, but that’s not the direction developers and architects took for the 75-unit Durango Apartments project at 421 S. Presa St. They wanted to keep it short, Laney Development Manager Tim Proctor told commissioners last Wednesday, so as to respect the pattern of neighboring buildings’ heights.


If it looks anything like the massing images, then the city is correct on this. Can't really say without seeing actual design proposals.

jaga185 Dec 14, 2017 5:46 PM

They could make it taller, narrow it out, and move it to the Presa side of the street and keep the same amount of the apts.

Fryguy Dec 14, 2017 7:24 PM

I just hope, when the time comes, that they do not have issue with the JMJ Tower.

JACKinBeantown Dec 14, 2017 8:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless 1 (Post 8018795)
An article from the Rivard Report on this:

https://therivardreport.com/hdrc-cal...artment-tower/

The Historic and Design Review Commission last week readily approved the first three floors of a luxury apartment tower near Southtown, but it didn’t like the remaining nine due to perceived interference with views of downtown San Antonio’s skyline. Commissioners suggested that the tower be designed taller and more slender.

Generally, towers appear taller than they are wide, but that’s not the direction developers and architects took for the 75-unit Durango Apartments project at 421 S. Presa St. They wanted to keep it short, Laney Development Manager Tim Proctor told commissioners last Wednesday, so as to respect the pattern of neighboring buildings’ heights.


If it looks anything like the massing images, then the city is correct on this. Can't really say without seeing actual design proposals.

The HRDC gets a bit of grief on this forum, but you have to give them some respect this time.

jaga185 Dec 14, 2017 8:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JACKinBeantown (Post 8019006)
The HRDC gets a bit of grief on this forum, but you have to give them some respect this time.

Very true, they've been doing some good things lately.

Restless 1 Dec 14, 2017 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JACKinBeantown (Post 8019006)
The HRDC gets a bit of grief on this forum, but you have to give them some respect this time.

I think they've had some turnover, so perhaps more level headed people are getting it over there.

Restless 1 Dec 14, 2017 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fryguy (Post 8018947)
I just hope, when the time comes, that they do not have issue with the JMJ Tower.

That thought crossed my mind as well, but, as I've stated before, as the DT core grows, some views will be sacrificed.

Someone said a couple of weeks ago that we could take a page from Austin, and try to protect view corridors. Not sure how that would work with JMJ though.

JACKinBeantown Dec 15, 2017 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Restless 1 (Post 8019241)
That thought crossed my mind as well, but, as I've stated before, as the DT core grows, some views will be sacrificed.

Someone said a couple of weeks ago that we could take a page from Austin, and try to protect view corridors. Not sure how that would work with JMJ though.

The closest we have is the area behind the Alamo. Tower Life is worth protecting s few views though IMO. Property owners might not agree.

Restless 1 Dec 15, 2017 1:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JACKinBeantown (Post 8019343)
The closest we have is the area behind the Alamo. Tower Life is worth protecting s few views though IMO. Property owners might not agree.

The Tower Life building is my favorite as well, but someone pointed out how NYC protects views of their iconic buildings, (not sure that's true, but...), while missing the fact that those buildings are twice to three times as tall as our older, iconic buildings.

Saving views of the Tower Life is important, but I don't know that it's feasible.

At least we'll always have a good view of it from a river barge.

JACKinBeantown Dec 15, 2017 3:29 AM

I found this about New York. (Scroll down to Visual Corridors.) The requirement is a certain number of visual corridors from inland streets to the water. Nothing I can find about preserving views of buildings... that would be restrictive in a place where real estate premiums are some of the highest in the world.
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/planning/z...nt-zoning.page

Austin's CVCs are mostly for areas not in downtown proper, though a few are. The majority cover land not south of the capitol, where downtown is located. Thus the most expensive parcels are not affected. So it would be tough to make the case for San Antonio using Austin as the example... mostly.

Spoiler Dec 15, 2017 4:54 AM

Austin's Capitol view corridors illustrated.

https://imgur.com/gallery/70i1s#NGRASBA

Restless 1 Dec 15, 2017 6:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JACKinBeantown (Post 8019517)
I found this about New York. (Scroll down to Visual Corridors.) The requirement is a certain number of visual corridors from inland streets to the water. Nothing I can find about preserving views of buildings... that would be restrictive in a place where real estate premiums are some of the highest in the world.
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/planning/z...nt-zoning.page

Austin's CVCs are mostly for areas not in downtown proper, though a few are. The majority cover land not south of the capitol, where downtown is located. Thus the most expensive parcels are not affected. So it would be tough to make the case for San Antonio using Austin as the example... mostly.

My point, exactly. Preserving highway views of the older, iconic buildings, will be a tough row to hoe.

There is no view of the Capitol, save from South Congress, anymore. The views are being taken away. Even the areas adjacent to the Capitol are being developed. One only need drive or walk on the grounds to see this.

It is somewhat sad, as views from I35 going through Austin are now obstructed, or soon will be.

The view from South Congress is pretty well preserved, but you do have to deal with the Austonian.

(That said, SoCo is still the coolest part of Texas.)

Spoiler Dec 15, 2017 6:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Restless 1 (Post 8019624)
(That said, SoCo is still the coolest part of Texas.)

South Congress isn't even the coolest part of Austin. That would be the corner of Westminster and Manor, where Taquerita Mi Trailita is located.

KevinFromTexas Dec 15, 2017 7:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless 1 (Post 8018795)
An article from the Rivard Report on this:

https://therivardreport.com/hdrc-cal...artment-tower/

The Historic and Design Review Commission last week readily approved the first three floors of a luxury apartment tower near Southtown, but it didn’t like the remaining nine due to perceived interference with views of downtown San Antonio’s skyline. Commissioners suggested that the tower be designed taller and more slender.

Generally, towers appear taller than they are wide, but that’s not the direction developers and architects took for the 75-unit Durango Apartments project at 421 S. Presa St. They wanted to keep it short, Laney Development Manager Tim Proctor told commissioners last Wednesday, so as to respect the pattern of neighboring buildings’ heights.


If it looks anything like the massing images, then the city is correct on this. Can't really say without seeing actual design proposals.

I'm all for making it taller, though, that would actually be what would make it block some views more if that's what they're worried about. 134 feet isn't very tall, and it doesn't appear too bulky either.

Anyway, the most important view, the one I enjoy seeing in San Antonio from time to time, is the one looking down the San Antonio River from the Cesar Chavez Boulevard bridge toward the Tower Life Building and others. That is a really unique view, iconic even. I've got postcards of it. Of course, that view is destined to go away also as the lots around Navarro and Nueva Streets get developed.

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.4179...7i13312!8i6656

micahinsa Jan 8, 2018 9:38 AM

This is only slightly related to the Durango development, but I noticed that there's a for sale sign up at 700 S. Saint Mary's, the property on the southern side of Cesar Chavez, so right across the street from the parking lot where they're building Durango:

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/700-S...io-TX/9175446/

Looks like it's been operating as an aquatic pain relief/therapy center, and is now up for sale. Maybe just a pipe dream on my part, but someone could snap that up and turn that intersection of St Mary's and Cesar Chavez into a really great hub. You'd have the Agave apartments on the NW corner, Durango on the NE corner, and then a new development (high rise?!) on the SE corner. King William Park just a couple hundred feet away, the new Hemisfair a few minutes walk as well.

Here are some snaps from Google, 1) a bird's eye looking at the two properties, with the Durango parking lot on the left and the Pain Center on the right, and 2), the same view when you're on Cesar Chavez looking east toward the Tower of the Americas, with the Durango lot on the left side of the street and the Pain Center on the right:


https://i.imgur.com/L5AJeqi.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/LojI133.jpg

jaga185 Jan 8, 2018 2:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by micahinsa (Post 8039636)
This is only slightly related to the Durango development, but I noticed that there's a for sale sign up at 700 S. Saint Mary's, the property on the southern side of Cesar Chavez, so right across the street from the parking lot where they're building Durango: ...

I saw this the other day and I was thinking the same thing. This intersection could be really cool in 5 years. Hopefully someone buys that Southeast corner and develops it with retail.

jaga185 Jan 31, 2018 3:36 PM

From the preliminary agenda...

Quote:

Address/Description: 421 S PRESA
Historic District Name: La Villita
RIO District: RIO-3
Applicant: Timothy Proctor/Laney Development Group, LLC
Request: Approval of tower massing and facade materials of a
thirteen story, mixed use tower
City Council Dist.: 1
Looks like the floor count went up to 13.

jaga185 Feb 5, 2018 7:04 PM

https://i.imgur.com/qBfi3CG.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/5MK43hO.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/D8d22iE.jpg

sirkingwilliam Feb 5, 2018 7:14 PM

13-stories confirmed in the design and I like it, both the height increase and design.

Keep-SA-Lame Feb 5, 2018 7:36 PM

Is this the city's first green roof? I can't remember seeing one anywhere else here before.

JACKinBeantown Feb 5, 2018 7:52 PM

It's like Miami in the 50s. I'll take it.

micahinsa Feb 6, 2018 12:38 AM

Meh. I liked the original more.

sirkingwilliam Feb 6, 2018 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by micahinsa (Post 8074466)
Meh. I liked the original more.

There was no original. What are you talking about?

micahinsa Feb 6, 2018 1:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirkingwilliam (Post 8074469)
There was no original. What are you talking about?

Haaaaa. My fault. I was remembering back to the first renderings, where they hadn’t fleshed out the facade and had only included the ambiguous massing. In my brain, though, that flatness/blankness somehow translated to it mostly being a glass exterior. So I guess this exterior is what they had all along.

micahinsa Feb 6, 2018 1:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keep-SA-Lame (Post 8074098)
Is this the city's first green roof? I can't remember seeing one anywhere else here before.

I’d be surprised if it’s the first green roof ANYWHERE in San Antonio, surely some smaller buildings must have them.

Slightly related, I drove by the new Security Service building they’re putting up over near 10 and 1604, I could’ve sworn that building not only has a green roof, but that they’ve actually planted trees on top of at least parts of the roof. Not even little ones, but live oaks and cedar elms or something.

Fryguy Feb 6, 2018 8:32 PM

its way too short, but oh well. Nothing can really be done about that.

AwesomeSAView Feb 7, 2018 6:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fryguy (Post 8075458)
its way too short, but oh well. Nothing can really be done about that.

Let it go with the height of buildings...:slob:

RyanfromTexas Feb 9, 2018 3:07 AM

https://therivardreport.com/wp-conte.../Durango-5.jpg

tall enough for this part of town!

txex06 Mar 28, 2018 3:03 AM

https://therivardreport.com/bexar-co...y-development/

Looks like this project is moving along nicely.

AwesomeSAView Mar 29, 2018 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by txex06 (Post 8135295)
https://therivardreport.com/bexar-co...y-development/

Looks like this project is moving along nicely.

Now this is what I like to read about!!!!:cheers:

JACKinBeantown Mar 29, 2018 12:48 AM

I think this is one of the nicer projects in SA. Hopefully it goes forward with no problems. Looking forward to a full-fledged rendering.

SAguy Mar 29, 2018 12:53 AM

Based on the article, the header needs to be updated to 13 floors.

htowntransplant May 17, 2018 6:04 PM

Saw some bulldozers on site tearing up the parking lot. Would that be related to this project? :cool:

JACKinBeantown May 17, 2018 7:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htowntransplant (Post 8191365)
Saw some bulldozers on site tearing up the parking lot. Would that be related to this project? :cool:

No, those bulldozers are related to a project in Cleveland. :P

KevinFromTexas May 18, 2018 11:18 AM

Here's the site plan. It doesn't include the elevations, but it does show the stacking plan. The 134 foot height is to the main roof - which is 134 feet 11 inches exactly. The mechanical roof is probably another 5 feet based on what I could measure.

https://sanantonio.legistar.com/Legi...|Text|&Search=

This attached file includes a drawing show the height as 151 feet 11 inches and is calling it a 13-story building - there are 13 levels in the image.

https://sanantonio.legistar.com/Legi...|Text|&Search=


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