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sirkingwilliam Dec 14, 2013 8:42 AM

SAN ANTONIO │ Urban Core Development Rundown
 

Decided to do away with the development scorecard and instead make a urban core development map that shows all the urban core developments either under construction or proposed.


UNDER CONSTRUCTION
RESIDENTIAL UNITS: 2,063 │ HOTEL ROOMS: 295

  • JOSKE'S REDEVELOPMENT │ REDEVELOPMENT OF A 500,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING INTO A SHOPPING AND ENTERTAINMENT DESTINATION │ DOWNTOWN
  • CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION │ 325 MILLION DOLLAR EXPANSION │ DOWNTOWN
  • THE RIVER HOUSE │ 261-UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT │ RIVER NORTH
  • 1130 BROADWAY │ 300-UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT │ RIVER NORTH
  • TOBIN CENTER FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS │ 210 MILLION DOLLAR STATE-OF-THE-ART PERFORMING ARTS CENTER │ RIVER NORTH
  • EILAN RIVERWALK │ 350-UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT │ DOWNTOWN
  • SAN PEDRO CREEK REDEVELOPMENT │ 275 MILLION DOLLAR REVITALIZATION OF A 2-MILE STRETCH OF THE SAN PEDRO CREEK │ RIVER NORTH, DOWNTOWN, SOFLO
  • ALAMO BEER COMPANY BREWERY AND BREWPUB │ BREWERY AND BREWPUB │ NEAR EAST
  • HOTEL EMMA │ 145-ROOM BOUTIQUE HOTEL │ THE PEARL
  • THE CELLARS │ TEN STORY, 100-UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT │ THE PEARL
  • BIG TEX │ 336-UNIT MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT │ SOUTHTOWN
  • WESTEND STATION │ REDEVELOPMENT OF FORMER TRAIN DEPOT INTO A MULTI-MODAL TRANSIT STATION │ WESTEND
  • PEANUT FACTORY │ 98-UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT │ CATTLEMAN SQUARE
  • SAN ANTONIO CHILDREN'S MUSEUM │ NEW 40 MILLION DOLLAR CHILDREN'S MUSEUM │ LOWER BROADWAY
  • CITY VISTA │ 145-UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT │ UPTOWN
  • TOBIN LOFTS PHASE II │75-UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT │ TOBIN HILL
  • H-E-B HEADQUARTERS AND GROCERY STORE │ 140 MILLION DOLLAR EXPANSION OF DOWNTOWN HEADQUARTERS AS WELL AS A GROCERY STORE, CULINARY SCHOOL │ DOWNTOWN, SOUTHTOWN
  • 519 ROOSEVELT AVENUE │ 28 MODERN TOWNHOMES │ SOUTH OF SOUTHTOWN
  • CONFLUENCE PARK │ NEW MULTI MILLION DOLLAR PARK ALONG THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER │ MISSION REACH
  • MISSION ROAD TRAILER PARK REDEVELOPMENT │ 75 MILLION DOLLAR, 345-UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO REPLACE A TRAILOR PARK │ MISSION REACH, RIVERSIDE
  • HILTON GARDEN INN │ TEN STORY, 250 ROOM HOTEL │ DOWNTOWN
  • TERRELL BUILDING │ REDEVELOPMENT OF BUILDING INTO 100-UNIT TIMESHARE │ DOWNTOWN
  • EAST QUINCY TOWNHOMES │ 25 TOWNHOMES │ TOBIN HILL
  • BRACKENRIDGE AT MIDTOWN │ 282-UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT │ MIDTOWN BROADWAY

PROPOSED
RESIDENTIAL UNITS: 4,313
  • FROST BANK HEADQUARTERS │ 40-50 STORY OFFICE TOWER │ DOWNTOWN
  • CPS ENERGY HEADQUARTERS │ OFFICE TOWER │ DOWNTOWN
  • JOSKE'S MIXED-USE │ MIXED USE TOWER OR TOWERS WITH RESIDENTIAL AND HOTEL │ DOWNTOWN
  • W HOTEL │ 33-STORY W HOTEL │ DOWNTOWN
  • ST. PAUL SQUARE DEVELOPMENT │ 800 RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN MULTIPLE HIGHRISES │ ST. PAUL SQUARE
  • MERCHANT'S ICE LOFTS │ 230-UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT │ NEAR EAST
  • JONES AVE & BROADWAY ST. │ 300-UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT │ RIVER NORTH
  • 1221 BROADWAY PHASE II │ 100-UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT │ RIVER NORTH
  • NEW FEDERAL COURTHOUSE │ AWAITING FEDERAL FUNDING │ DOWNTOWN
  • SOUTHWEST SCHOOL OF ARTS │ 200-UNIT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT │ DOWNTOWN
  • AVENUE B & 9TH STREET │ 350-UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT │ RIVER NORTH
  • JEFFERSON ST, RESIDENTIAL HIGHRISE │ 35-40 STORY RESIDENTIAL HIGHRISE │ DOWNTOWN
  • AVENUE B & 8TH STREET │ 300-UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT │ RIVER NORTH
  • PEARL DEVELOPMENT │ 800-UNIT DEVELOPMENT PLANNED ON 5-ACRES OF UNDEVELOPED LAND │ THE PEAR;
  • TOBIN CENTER PARKING GARAGE │ 6 LEVEL MIXED-USE PARKING GARAGE │ DOWNTOWN
  • MAUREAUX BUILDING │ 242-UNIT MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT │ WESTEND
  • ST. JOHN'S SEMINARY SCHOOL │ 250-UNIT REDEVELOPMENT │ RIVERSIDE
  • WATER STREET │ MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT. PART OF PHASE I OF HEMISFAIR REDEVELOPMENT │ DOWNTOWN
  • 300 SOUTH ALAMO │ 12-STORY, MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT. PART OF PHASE I OF HEMISFAIR REDEVELOPMENT │ DOWNTOWN
  • LAVACA TOWNHOMES │ FOUR MODERN TOWNHOMES │ LAVACA
  • ALAMO STREET & 10TH STREET │ 250-UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT │ RIVER NORTH
  • SOUTHTOWN VILLAS │ 212-UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT │ SOUTHTOWN
  • DWYER STREET │ 272-UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT │ DOWNTOWN





If I'm missing any, feel free to respond in this thread or send me a PM.

kornbread Dec 14, 2013 3:55 PM

I was looking at the scorecard which has a line about Pearl development proposing 800 units (separate from the Cellars). I don't recall seeing anything. Is that an actual proposal or just something mentioned with regards to the properties they own off Broadway and on the river?

sirkingwilliam Dec 15, 2013 1:54 AM

I've opened the thread to allow for scoreboard related discussion.

sirkingwilliam Dec 15, 2013 1:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kornbread (Post 6374316)
I was looking at the scorecard which has a line about Pearl development proposing 800 units (separate from the Cellars). I don't recall seeing anything. Is that an actual proposal or just something mentioned with regards to the properties they own off Broadway and on the river?

Pearl developers have talked about it to the media multiple times.

Here is one example:

Quote:

A couple of years ago, the development firm purchased several lots west of the San Antonio River. A timeline hasn't been disclosed but the firm plans to build as many as 800 apartments there, bringing the Pearl's total residential footprint to about 1,200 units.
Source.

21bl0wed Dec 28, 2013 6:26 PM

Thank god for the CCDO pushing most of these projects, would hate to see where we would be at development wise if that department was never created.

anyway, i'd like a link to the CPS highrise proposal, any renderings out yet? Or are we just assuming stuff?

Edit: just saw CPS thread. "doesn't have to be something grand" yet wants to establish a presence in the skyline..hmm in SA a 10 story tower can do that. Hopefully it'll be something more substantial.

Paul in S.A TX Jan 5, 2014 5:25 PM

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kornbread Jan 5, 2014 6:52 PM

The CPS move is listed as proposed, but that's not really the case. They have put the idea out there for a private developer to add new office space to downtown, and they would be willing to lease. I understand them wanting to move into new modern offices. However, I would not be surprised to see them move into upgraded offices in the old at&t campus on the river. It's hard to imagine someone else moving into those spaces anytime soon. USAA had the chance, instead they chose some old strip space out in the burbs (way to commit to the city:???:)

If this is a catch all for development, then the Federal Courthouse is also missing.

sirkingwilliam Jan 5, 2014 7:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kornbread (Post 6394389)
The CPS move is listed as proposed, but that's not really the case. They have put the idea out there for a private developer to add new office space to downtown, and they would be willing to lease. I understand them wanting to move into new modern offices. However, I would not be surprised to see them move into upgraded offices in the old at&t campus on the river. It's hard to imagine someone else moving into those spaces anytime soon. USAA had the chance, instead they chose some old strip space out in the burbs (way to commit to the city:???:)

If this is a catch all for development, then the Federal Courthouse is also missing.

The CPS CEO has said it will be a new construction building and that they will not be leasing space in any current building[s] dowmtowm. Them just relocating to the former at&t buildings in river north is not going to happen.

This was in the last article covering the new CPS HQ.

Quote:

Previously, CPS had considered a proposal from a group led by prominent developer Ed Cross.

Under that proposal, the parties would have swapped the utility's downtown properties — its headquarters at 145 Navarro St., the parking garage and office space across the street, as well as nearby surface parking lot — and a facility on the Northwest Side in exchange for two former AT&T office buildings at 500 and 530 McCullough Ave.

Cross' proposal was put on ice in May.

kornbread Jan 5, 2014 8:41 PM

The reality of a new office building being ready for move-in is likely 3 years away. That would mean nothing can be done with the CPS building for 3 years. Wouldn't you expect something has to happen sooner for the parties involved in that proposed sale? I don't know, I think anything can happen at this point.:shrug:

sirkingwilliam Jan 5, 2014 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kornbread (Post 6394503)
The reality of a new office building being ready for move-in is likely 3 years away. That would mean nothing can be done with the CPS building for 3 years. Wouldn't you expect something has to happen sooner for the parties involved in that proposed sale? I don't know, I think anything can happen at this point.:shrug:

Once they moved out, they'd sell, or they'd sell and lease until their new space was ready. There's really nothing too complicated about what's happening.

The CEO wants something new that will improve the skyline. :cheers:

sirkingwilliam Jun 8, 2014 1:30 PM


Fireoutofclay Jun 9, 2014 9:06 PM

Anything going on at Florida and S Presa? I thought I heard about some apartments going up there. The reason I ask is because the building that is currently there is in the process of being demolished.

sirkingwilliam Jun 30, 2014 12:34 PM


Onward Jul 2, 2014 8:53 AM

Thanks for creating/updating this map sirkingwilliam. Great idea and it's great for the big picture of all the projects going on in San Antonio. Makes things way easier to track from the other side of the Country.

sirkingwilliam Aug 30, 2014 8:55 AM


SAinthe21stC Oct 16, 2015 6:01 PM

Just curious. Is there any way to update the map (link) to indicate what is complete, under construction, proposed, etc.?

Restless 1 Oct 18, 2015 6:13 AM

JOSKE'S MIXED-USE │ MIXED USE TOWER OR TOWERS WITH RESIDENTIAL AND HOTEL │ DOWNTOWN

Is this still in the works? I have to believe, based upon history, that if there is even a hint of a shadow falling on the Alamo at 5 P.M. in December from these buildings, then it is a no go.

arkitekte Oct 21, 2015 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless 1 (Post 7202018)
JOSKE'S MIXED-USE │ MIXED USE TOWER OR TOWERS WITH RESIDENTIAL AND HOTEL │ DOWNTOWN

Is this still in the works? I have to believe, based upon history, that if there is even a hint of a shadow falling on the Alamo at 5 P.M. in December from these buildings, then it is a no go.

No.

WorldTexas Dec 12, 2015 11:51 PM

I have a question that popped into my head thinking about how downtown's changed in the last ten years and the new announcement at Hemisfair -

What changed from the last boom to this one that led to more interest in low rises along the fringe?

During the last building cycle, we got 3 tall downtown residential options - Vistana, Vidorra, and Alteza. And one tower farther out - The Broadway. This time it's all been lower height options in Southtown and around Pearl.

I understand the condo finance rules changed, but Vistana has been full since it opened. Yet no new mid-rise apartments 'til Hemisfair.

Did construction costs go up? were those anamolies? ... Ideas?

Bigfoot Yancey Dec 13, 2015 5:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WorldTexas (Post 7268225)
I have a question that popped into my head thinking about how downtown's changed in the last ten years and the new announcement at Hemisfair -

What changed from the last boom to this one that led to more interest in low rises along the fringe?

During the last building cycle, we got 3 tall downtown residential options - Vistana, Vidorra, and Alteza. And one tower farther out - The Broadway. This time it's all been lower height options in Southtown and around Pearl.

I understand the condo finance rules changed, but Vistana has been full since it opened. Yet no new mid-rise apartments 'til Hemisfair.

Did construction costs go up? were those anamolies? ... Ideas?

I have no idea about the economics but if I were to design a strategy to urbanize the huge area of underutilized property in and around the center it would involve a whole lot of 4-5 story mixed use and other infill. Not to discount the idea of mid rise but it is far easier to cover a lot of ground and begin to give people the feeling of choice without a car. I would take 4 square blocks of 4-5 story mixed use over a Vistana, and certainly over the other cheap condo projects. If it is a policy objective to expedite infill development whether low or midrise, it would make sense that the subsidies and fee waivers continue to be based on unit count rather than density.

arkitekte Dec 13, 2015 1:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WorldTexas (Post 7268225)
Did construction costs go up? were those anamolies? ... Ideas?

1. Stick frame construction at 4 or 5 stories is cheaper than 15 or 20 stories of concrete or steel.
2. It's much easier to finance apartments.
3. There's a proven market for apartments in Downtown, River North, Southtown in this exact form (Want to develop a property? Do what everyone else has done. Banks will easily finance that.)
4. The market isn't available for high rise condo living in San Antonio.

WorldTexas Dec 13, 2015 3:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arkitekte (Post 7268601)
1. Stick frame construction at 4 or 5 stories is cheaper than 15 or 20 stories of concrete or steel.
2. It's much easier to finance apartments.
3. There's a proven market for apartments in Downtown, River North, Southtown in this exact form (Want to develop a property? Do what everyone else has done. Banks will easily finance that.)
4. The market isn't available for high rise condo living in San Antonio.

Intriguing answers. I'm going to take Alteza out of the convo as it's part of the Grand Hyatt and that was a City-driven project from my understanding. So that leaves me wondering about Vistana, Vidorra Broadway.

1. Stick frame has always been cheaper, but we still have these three steel frame projects. It's four again if you add the Cascada project, but that's from a few years earlier. And condo.

2. Completely right!

3. There's a proven market now, but there wasn't one back in '06 when these projects were starting. Nobody lived downtown, fewer employers, there was no Pearl, no river extensions, no main plaza, and no cycling culture. They still got built. Why?

4. If there isn't a market now, I'd imagine less of one in '06/'07. If the apartment rents still don't justify taller buildings today, I'd imagine the pro forma on a condo tower wouldn't balance either. Did it back then?

Or were these projects just part of the housing bubble and never based on substantial demand?

WorldTexas Dec 13, 2015 4:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigfoot Yancey (Post 7268494)
I have no idea about the economics but if I were to design a strategy to urbanize the huge area of underutilized property in and around the center it would involve a whole lot of 4-5 story mixed use and other infill. Not to discount the idea of mid rise but it is far easier to cover a lot of ground and begin to give people the feeling of choice without a car. I would take 4 square blocks of 4-5 story mixed use over a Vistana, and certainly over the other cheap condo projects. If it is a policy objective to expedite infill development whether low or midrise, it would make sense that the subsidies and fee waivers continue to be based on unit count rather than density.


That's an excellent point!

I don't know if the City had a well-defined infill policy back then, but the current one is unit-based. Do you think that policy change was a primary driver?

RyanfromTexas Feb 29, 2016 12:51 AM

with all of the infill projects wrapping up and breaking ground, and with the new high rise proposals, I think it's time for a new map to properly visualize things!!!

sirkingwilliam Aug 4, 2016 2:50 PM

Here's a recap of the tallest buildings recently proposed for downtown.

FROST HEADQUARTERS │ OFFICE │ 400 FEET
http://i.imgur.com/6WSQR4A.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/JQDLXDf.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/IkEUr8m.jpg?2

http://i.imgur.com/zRf3dLC.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/KWxHj4X.jpg?1

THOMPSON HOTEL AND RESIDENCES │ MIXED-USE │ 273 FEET
http://i.imgur.com/l0yqwPu.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/wvJdskr.jpg

CANOPY HOTEL │ HOTEL │ 247 FEET
http://i.imgur.com/unAkCpp.jpg?1

JMJ TOWER RIVERWALK │ RESIDENTIAL │ 30 STORIES
http://i.imgur.com/SJQKSaX.jpg
This is only a massing rendering. It is not a final design.


MAP
http://i.imgur.com/XwPI0V5.png?1


AwesomeSAView Aug 4, 2016 9:52 PM

AWESOME! They all NEED to get built!!:cheers:

Anything on the Cambria Hotel on Main St.?:yes:

sirkingwilliam Oct 7, 2016 12:19 PM

UPDATED recap of the tallest buildings proposed for downtown San Antonio.


FROST HEADQUARTERS │ OFFICE │ 400 FEET
http://i.imgur.com/6WSQR4A.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/JQDLXDf.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/IkEUr8m.jpg?2

http://i.imgur.com/zRf3dLC.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/KWxHj4X.jpg?1


THOMPSON HOTEL AND RESIDENCES │ MIXED-USE │ 273 FEET
http://i.imgur.com/l0yqwPu.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/wvJdskr.jpg


CANOPY HOTEL │ HOTEL │ 247 FEET
http://i.imgur.com/unAkCpp.jpg?1




JMJ TOWER RIVERWALK │ RESIDENTIAL │ 30 STORIES
http://i.imgur.com/SJQKSaX.jpg
This is only a massing rendering. It is not a final design.


MAP
http://i.imgur.com/4EcfCo6.png


KevinFromTexas Mar 29, 2018 2:17 PM

FAA permit for the Sunset Building. It lists the height as 61 feet. It's an office building. The location is at the southeast corner of East Sunset Road & US 281.

Are there any renderings of this one? Is there a thread for it? I couldn't find it.


https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external...8099714&row=18

The crane permit lists the crane as 160 feet.
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external...58099719&row=1

Keep-SA-Lame Mar 29, 2018 4:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas (Post 8136894)
FAA permit for the Sunset Building. It lists the height as 61 feet. It's an office building. The location is at the southeast corner of East Sunset Road & US 281.

Are there any renderings of this one? Is there a thread for it? I couldn't find it.


https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external...8099714&row=18

The crane permit lists the crane as 160 feet.
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external...58099719&row=1

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.5077...7i13312!8i6656

The sign that's on Google Maps has a rendering on it for a two (3?) story medical office building. The sign's been there for years though, so idk if that represents what's actually going to get built.

JACKinBeantown Mar 23, 2019 7:44 PM

I figured I'd post this here because it's really where I should have asked the question in the first place.

Urban San Antonio development map:

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelTrexler (Post 8502878)
There is this, courtesy of San Antonio Business Journal as well:
https://www.bizjournals.com/sananton...re/crane-watch


Tornado Nov 10, 2020 9:39 PM

Lisa Wong (owner of Rosarios) and now owner of the El Mirador property has indicated that she wants to demo the building for her new "Rosarios." I'll state it here...El Mirador > Rosarios. Their food was always on point and drinks were good. Rosarios is just another typical SA tex-mex joint. It's not bad but I'm not driving downtown to go there. I made trips to El Mirador.

https://saheron.com/el-mirador-demol...uest-rosarios/

Keep-SA-Lame Nov 10, 2020 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tornado (Post 9102826)
Lisa Wong (owner of Rosarios) and now owner of the El Mirador property has indicated that she wants to demo the building for her new "Rosarios." I'll state it here...El Mirador > Rosarios. Their food was always on point and drinks were good. Rosarios is just another typical SA tex-mex joint. It's not bad but I'm not driving downtown to go there. I made trips to El Mirador.

https://saheron.com/el-mirador-demol...uest-rosarios/

I basically grew up in that place, it's very special, even without the actual El Mirador restaurant there. This is a travesty.

Tornado Nov 10, 2020 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keep-SA-Lame (Post 9102971)
I basically grew up in that place, it's very special, even without the actual El Mirador restaurant there. This is a travesty.

Yep, that little room nooks, bar in the back and then that great patio. This is one where I hope HDRC shuts her down and makes her keep it. to be fair to her, I don't know exactly what her plans are...maybe its just a partial demo of something inconsequential but I doubt it.

jaga185 Nov 11, 2020 12:27 AM

Maybe she will propose to repurpose the new into the old? I mean the current location's layout is a mess as it is. I really don't think anything she will do differently will be bad.

Tornado Nov 11, 2020 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaga185 (Post 9103067)
Maybe she will propose to repurpose the new into the old? I mean the current location's layout is a mess as it is. I really don't think anything she will do differently will be bad.

That messy layout was part of the charm in my opinion. I could get behind a multi story structure with some 1st and 2nd floor patio spaces that wrap around the building.

Keep-SA-Lame Nov 11, 2020 2:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tornado (Post 9102976)
Yep, that little room nooks, bar in the back and then that great patio. This is one where I hope HDRC shuts her down and makes her keep it. to be fair to her, I don't know exactly what her plans are...maybe its just a partial demo of something inconsequential but I doubt it.

Agreed.

The back part of the old main part of the restaurant is very old, apart from any sentimental attachment I have for the busienss. The part closest to the street is a modern addition, but the back part which used to be an old house has original limestone walls from who knows when, I'd bet the 1870s or 1880s at least. She'd be crazy to waste all that charm she paid for and HDRC would be crazy to allow her to do it.

Tornado Nov 11, 2020 3:22 AM

i don't see them allowing her to do it but if she has connections at the city, i bet she can put some pressure on them.

JACKinBeantown Nov 11, 2020 12:31 PM

What happened to the thread for the 393-foot building on Soledad? :???:

Tornado Nov 11, 2020 3:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JACKinBeantown (Post 9103339)
What happened to the thread for the 393-foot building on Soledad? :???:

KingWilliam said it had to be taken down for a bit but will come back at some point. Believe developer or somebody didn't want it out in the wild until they had done a release themselves about the project...my speculation.

JACKinBeantown Nov 11, 2020 5:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tornado (Post 9103468)
KingWilliam said it had to be taken down for a bit but will come back at some point. Believe developer or somebody didn't want it out in the wild until they had done a release themselves about the project...my speculation.

Thanks. Hopefully they saw our critiques of the design and took it to heart. (I wouldn't count on it though.)

kornbread Nov 11, 2020 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tornado (Post 9103196)
i don't see them allowing her to do it but if she has connections at the city, i bet she can put some pressure on them.

She’s looking to abandon the S alamo site. That doesn’t fit unless the site is razed. Also it would need to be multi level to match space. I don’t see a way to keep the historic as a useful part of a new building. In this case there is so much around it it’s already lost, in my opinion. I like Rosario’s. I liked El Mirador. One exists and the other won’t be back. We’ll see what happens.

JRG1974 Nov 13, 2020 9:58 PM

Well now we know what Rosario's is planning on doing.

https://saheron.com/wp-content/uploa...1-1024x420.jpg

https://saheron.com/rosarios-new-loc...5WEYiedv1Bg9Xo

Tornado Nov 13, 2020 10:59 PM

Welp, I stand corrected. Looks like this will be greenlit with the whole 35% thing. I do like the design and am a big fan of the rooftop terrace.

Tornado Dec 3, 2020 7:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRG1974 (Post 9105857)

According to SA Biz Journal, HDRC approved this one. I do like the design the more I look at it

JACKinBeantown Dec 6, 2020 1:01 PM

Low tide in the SA forum.

https://jefflynchdev.files.wordpress..._tide_blog.jpg
https://jefflynchdev.wordpress.com/2012/07/14/low-tide/

Tornado Dec 6, 2020 3:05 PM

haha, so true. It's definitely been a ghost town for months now.

RobertS4 Dec 6, 2020 6:53 PM

Well I feel that its picking up again now

UrbanTrance Dec 7, 2020 12:52 AM

To be fair, SA has always been slow in regards to development news compared to the other Texas cities. Maybe that is changing due to the recent quality of proposals we’ve seen.

ahealy Dec 7, 2020 3:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UrbanTrance (Post 9126669)
To be fair, SA has always been slow in regards to development news compared to the other Texas cities. Maybe that is changing due to the recent quality of proposals we’ve seen.

That's not a bad thing at all. TRUST me. I do wonder how older 80's corporate live/work communities might grow or change within the next decade. There seem to be so many in SA that have a lot of potential for some TLC and growth.

JACKinBeantown Dec 29, 2020 5:48 PM

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