Happily, the 30th St. Station/Subway connection is being addressed by the master plan for that side of the street.

extending PATCO across the Schuylkill wouldn't take any additional infrastructure. All it would take would be for fare sharing between the two agencies, which would allow for a free transfer at 8th and Market. And I believe there are discussions to do this soon, but I can't source it so don't quote me.

So imagine this with the rail yard capped, but not with buildings but rather a new baseball stadium surrounded by parks. With the Penn parks to the South, it would be amazing. The Phillies will probably need a new stadium by the time it comes to fruition.

Theoretically that sounds awesome to have a stadium there... but could you imagine the effect on traffic in that area? :sly:

Oh, I remember well those discussions "back when," since a stadium was proposed for the rail yards back in the nineties. I'm sad that we opted for the easy way out, but there are some good arguments why things work better in that massive complex in general (and make it more attractive to big events like the RNC in 2000 and DNC this year). However, given the number of games, I think that baseball stadiums and indoor arenas would be a great fit in the urban fabric. Like Madison Square Garden, a 30th St. location would offer great transit access.

We won't see a major stadium in CC. There's just not enough space on 676 and 76. There's barely enough space on 76 and 95. Keep that stuff out of CC, no one will benefit from it. The south Philly complexes are the perfect spots. But do you seriously think the Bank will need to be replaced in only 20 years? It's really quite nice.

Definitely not. I think we remember the 90's and early 00's wholesale replacement of the cookie cutter multi-purpose statdiums from the 70's and think that stadiums have just twenty to thirty good years in them. But that was correcting the mistake of the multi-purpose stadiums that tried to do too much and failed at almost everything.

Stadiums since Oriole Park at Camden Yards will have a median age of 40+ years before they are replaced. And since they were built right, you may even see the median creep up to high 50's or more.

Agreed, I think CBP will be around for another 35 years, maybe more.

Giant step in Philly growth

Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion...3WsRFuH6mZf.99

^ aaaaaand now I'm going to be internalizing my hope for a 15 year process rather than 20.

I made a thing! Drexel doesn't need its Main Building, right? Haha. (I love main; just ignore that it's gone for this)

Used known heights of CITC and EVO to make this to scale, just for the sake of discussion and comparison. I know it isn't perfect, but it's a quicky while I sit at work clearly "working."

http://s20.postimg.org/621528od9/UCConceptwith_CITC.jpg

image sources:

http://static1.squarespace.com/stati...g?format=2500w

and

http://corporate.comcast.com/images/...l-1413x785.jpg

maybe someone needs to add the railyard capped area, maybe 10-20 story buildings there

also the lot opposite FMC (other side of walnut in front of the park) needs another tower while we are at it


towers towers everywhere...

Please add that and UCity Square...University City is going to rival CC once all of this is complete...

Oh yea and I vote for Schuylkillcon Valley or the Silly Jawn Jawn :haha:

I might wanna mess around with it. Would be SO COOL to see some towers wrap up the Schuylkill and expand the skyline northwest.

FMC Suddenly looks underwhelming. :slob:

..and honestly the aesthetic of that SHOP tower doesnt really fit the current philly aesthetic...but i'm not complaining.

FWIW, Evo didn't look so hot in renderings, but the final product looks amazing with the aesthetic of the city.

http://campuscrest.com/wp-content/up...ne-640x382.jpg

^I thought it was going to look stupid with the rest of the city. Turned out hot.

I absolutely agree with the earlier posts proposing to extend PATCO west of the Schuylkill! I could see stations at Rittehouse Square, Fitler Square (21st/22nd-Walnut), 30th Street (30th and Walnut), University of Pennsylvania (33rd and Walnut), and University City (38th and Walnut).

I don't know why, but CITC actually looks really good when placed in University City!

Yeah, that isn't going to happen, especially the past 30th St. idea The regional rail line + green line crossing Walnut will prohibit that. Plus, I'm not sure the demand will be there to justify the construction, unlike extending Orange Line to Navy Yard.

Make it a free interchange at 8th Street. Expand PATCO into South Jersey. But forget the idea of expanding PATCO west in Philly.

CITC wouldn't work in that spot, b/c Drexel main bldg is there, and no way will it be demolished. On the other hand, move it down a block on Chestnut, and it would be perfect!

http://drexel.edu/

I think Drexel is pretty serious about this!

I like the skin of the proposed super tall. It reminds me of the raining code in the Matrix movies, which, as part of a major tech hub, would be appropriate. I would love to see it lit up at night!

If the Phillies need a new stadium every 30 years, they alone are going to bankrupt the city. The Bank has a lot of years left.

30th Street Station District Plan Open House March 16 - See more at: http://drexel.edu/now/archive/2016/M....K40SaGCR.dpuf

This link was at the bottom of that article. could be interesting to go to

Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat announcement:
http://ctbuh.org/

Not only do I love the choice of buildings but the location is also very good. I really hope they construct the things.

WOW!! Just when I was giving up hope on my hometown. This is beyond a jaw dropping event, it's Friken Paradise!! :haha:

Thanks Drexel and Brandywine! Please build it quick. I'm not as young as some of these bloggers on here. I wanna be around to see it!! :cool:

:tup::tup::tup::tup::tup:

I actually always thought Evo was one of the ugliest skyscrapers in Philly, but to each their own I guess.

I don't think this needs to be mentioned for the 100th time but my jaw dropped when I saw the renderings. I hope it actually comes to fruition. I'll "only" be in my early 30s if the timespan is 15 years.

I don't fully get how this meshes with plans to cap the railyards.

http://articles.philly.com/2015-12-1...xel-university

Is that part of this? Separate? Both? Some integration but additional plans under the capping and Innovation Neighborhood notion that are discrete and different from this?

30th Street Master Plan is not finalized, and it's a lot of the same actors/constituencies.

http://drexel.edu/now/archive/2016/M...ouse-March-16/

http://static1.squarespace.com/stati...Boards_web.pdf

So I imagine there will be a lot of overlap/integration. Which is good.

Oh wow, I swear I thought this thing had always originally been English, Scottish and Irish or something or whatever English-speaking, then gradually changed as time and random immigrants went by.

Interesting to know you guys went up there (probably very few of yours anyway), but I think we'd better focus on our own case, now. :D;)

It looks like this Drexel/Brandywine proposal is for the at-grade part of the wider rail yards project. In the image below (taken and modified from the december .pdf) you can see that the Schuylkill Yards proposal so far includes the entirety of the orange rimmed Section 8, except for the Cira 2 and Firestone plots. Since both those have been rumored for other non-related towers I'm fairly certain they're not included in this deal but still earmarked for future projects.

http://i.imgur.com/LanDdV5.jpg

I took time to read through this entire link. Did anyone see "Potential Heavy Rail Maintenance Facility"? Could this possibly be a new subway line, or just a maintenance facility for the MFL?

Hey everyone... First time long time (actually was around in the late 90's early 2000's under a different name) but this project pushed me over the top to create a new account.. But anyway. The dork in me decided to really try and do a floor count on the main tower and unless I'm counting wrong I'm definately up over 80 floors. Maybe someone else can check it out and correct me if I'm wrong.

I only wish the time frame was shorter because its quite a long time. But its still similar to master plans like Battery Park City or Riverside Center and will further create some nice density and bulk for the area.

Potential Amtrak facility.

The project area doesn't go that far west. It stops at the JFK curve, for the most part, short of the Firestone site.

It's neither, it would be for Amtrak. This quote is taken from the .pdf I linked right above your post.

It looks like the space is simply reserved for the possibility that Amtrak builds the facility here. I would think it's possible that should another city be picked by Amtrak, that parcel could open back up for development.

On closer inspection, you are correct. Good catch.

Potential Amtrak HSR maintenance facility. Penn Coach Yards is one of several sites in contention. Needless to say, if they settle on a different site we'd see Race Street and some buildings there instead.

It is for AMTRAK. Nothing to do with SEPTA.

Welcome back! :cheers:

I'm too lazy to count all of the floors haha. I estimated 70 floors based on the height but it could very well be more than that.

I swear the whole Philly subforum clan has been strict down by Skyscraperitus. And I can't complain haha!

Thanks for the correction, everyone! I must have read that wrong. Now I know that it is a proposed Amtrak facility.

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Are we talking University City vs Center City or Boston vs Philly? :shrug:

Philly>Boston

Holy crap !!!! Just got back from a 10 day cruise and I see this !! Awesome !!

Now let's plug this into that...

;)

http://philadelphiaplaneto.com/wp-co...LTRailPlan.jpg