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Like it! I hope with a few tweaks, this one gets built as well!!:tup:

Possibly. It would also make it one of the tallest buildings in the city for sure as well, maybe they didn't want that.

Is that a massing model? Hopefully, because in its current form it looks like something you'd see coming into Houston on I-10.

Are you all not tired of seeing these wall like buildings?

This first one is the Grand Hyatt. If approved, the next one will be Hemisfair. And now? I feel like we are just settling cause of the height.

Here's hoping HDRC says, no.

Wrong. I like the design and the height. I think the rendering makes this look more wallish than it is. That lat is not big at all.

As for the suburban Houston comment? This interacts with the ground level very nicely. The HDRC has asked to make it work even better for the pedestrian.

This is a forum of opinions.

It's pretty plain.

If this was proposed for Houston I’d agreed. San Antonio has to start with something “basic” modern. Not every building will be the Frost tower.

I disagree. I've heard this tired refrain "We can't do that here, this is San Antonio" my entire life. It's nothing but a self-fulfilling prophecy. we don't need to build a modern building in 2018 that is no improvement from buildings that were built fifty years ago, like this one:

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.5201...2!8i6656?hl=en

I have no idea what your google image is trying to convey.

This is a modern design, but if they improve it I am all for it. That said, I’d love it built as designed.

Here's the link to the presentation that includes the renderings and a lot of other info:

https://sanantonio.legistar.com/Legi...5-3DF7B76BEF13

According to the presentation it will have 18 occupied above ground floors. The rendering looks to be missing two hotel levels. The 20 floors not including the mechanical level breakdown as:

2 - underground parking
3 - above ground parking with retail on the first level
4 - office
1- amenity level
10 - hotel

The shape of this design reminds me of the AC Hotel that should have been built downtown, sadly.

I love it. It's bett than the AC, it just as a similar shape.

What does that even mean?

Yes. This is a boring, uninspired design that is not worthy of its location. Don't settle for half-assed just because an empty lot will get taller.

At 260 feet this will already be by far the tallest building in that area.

I must be "boring" because I think this is really cool! & I like the curved building at hemisfair also!

Where is that "not-taking-the-bat" picture?! 🤔

What do you have against bats?

Not trying to "bait" anyone at all. I really think that. I also appreciate reading everyones opinions regardless of what they are!

Not bad. I am annoyed by wall like buildings but at least this one is glass.

No, lol, YOU are not boring. YOU just know good modern architecture when you see it!:cheers:
Not like some of these tall rectangle boxes popping up left and right in some U.S. cities, and building them very quickly I may add. You wonder about the quality of these buildings.

Yep. It would be the tallest between downtown and the Broadway Tower. It's about a mile from the next taller building in downtown and 2 miles from the Broadway Tower. It would definitely stand out.

By my count, at 260 feet, this would be San Antonio's 3rd tallest outside of downtown. The Broadway Tower is 282 feet tall and the Towers on Park Lane is 274 feet.

It would also be San Antonio's 14th tallest building if it were complete today. The Frost Bank Tower will push it to 15th tallest, and the Thompson Hotel & Residences would push it to 16th tallest.

I don't think it's possible for anything to stand out more and look awkwardly out of place than the Broadway Tower.

I think it looks fine. The approach on Hildebrand toward Broadway coming from 281 is a nice veiwshed. You see the Broadway, the building behind it, and off in the distance, the Towers at Park Lane.

Please don't take it there. Nobody said anything about you.

My opinion is that this building had a halfway decent start to its design. I wasn't crazy about it but I'm pretty sure I said that I thought it was acceptable. I don't like the glass box addition. To me it looks like the architect was given a 15-minute deadline to add 200,000 square feet of space and that's all they could come up with in a short amount of time. It's easy to design a glass box. You start with a box, then you don't do anything else. My opinion. If you like the diesgn, then you'll be happy with it... good for you. :cheers:

I'm inclined to believe that this design is more massing that anything. It seems as though this change came up suddenly, and this rendering was done quickly.

Jack! Come on man, don't be so defensive! I was just making a little fun of myself because I really like a couple buildings that most aren't to happy with. You don't like this, we get it!

This project reminds me of a smaller version of Block 71 in Austin. Mixing classic with modern. It's perfect.

This is a very nice little office tower for San Antonio. The “boring” box on top has some wonderfully nuanced and carefully considered design elements. The interior columns set back from the corners create a nifty false cantilever and, from inside, no doubt some very open panoramic corner office spaces. The bottom podium “box” is broken up nicely. Clean recessed balconies, staggered heights for the “segments”, and doubly asymmetric with curtain wall to the south and the recessed glass divider to the north. And I like the scale of the elements at street level. Very contemporary, much like some of the better small scale stuff happening here in Denver.

I TOTALLY agree 100% with this comment from Restless. :cheers:

You're absolutely right!:cheers:
What is wrong with people actually LIKING the building?:shrug:

If this tower gets built, alongside the Thompson Hotel, it will make that area of San Antonio more desirable than ever. With all this development in close proximity, Broadway will become everything it was destined to be.

I actually like the Broadway Tower. I'm not crazy about residential along major arteries so much because of the hustle and bustle of the auto traffic, but the tower's design isn't bad at all. I was really glad to see it built.

By the way, I came across this older rendering of it, and I don't remember seeing this version.

http://www.viprealestate.com/blog/sa...buildings.html

Wow. I definitely do not like the old rendering. The current tower has a kind of prominence along the street and it's businesses.

Not to mention the renovation of the AT&T building for the new CPS HQ - though, I wish it was all glass and not just one side of it.

Agree. Definitely like the new version a lot better!

I was recently criticized on another thread, so I'm making sure nothing I say gets misconstrued or taken out of context here. Thanks for making fun of yourself. :tup:

I figure better myself than others!👍
I don't want to insult anyone, I love
all the different opinions & insight,
there are a lot of very informed
people here!

I thought the Towers on Park Lane were 368ft tall: https://www.emporis.com/buildings/11...antonio-tx-usa

I know Emporis.com isn't the most reliable source, but I've been close to the building many times and I'd definetly say it seemed taller than the Broadway Tower. Quite an imposing strucure actually, it would look good downtown.

I've always had my doubts about that height. It would be very rare to find a 23-story residential building as tall as 368 feet. The Broadway Tower, for example, has only three fewer floors but is only 282 feet tall. The Towers on Park Lane appear more prominent than other buildings do because the site where it stands is at a higher sea level elevation than they are. The sea level elevation of this new building is 667 to 668 feet above sea level, while the Broadway Tower's site is 692 feet to 706 feet above sea level, but the Towers on Park Lane stands at 760 to 764 feet above sea level - nearly 100 feet higher than the site of this new building. The location of the Towers on Park Lane is more than 100 feet higher above sea level than just about any site in downtown.

Just now got a chance to see the new renderings. If this is the final design I'm ok with it. I don't hate it like I hate the Hemisphere project.

I think it fits being so near the Pearl. I don't think a bold, modern design would work in that area. The Pearl has a very distinct vibe and a lot of that is the way the architecture in that area ties back to the old brewery. These renderings (in my opinion) keep at least some of that connection to the area while still trying to provide a modern office space.

That said, if this project was being proposed for anywhere else in or near downtown I would join the chorus of posters on this forum saying we could do better. Outside of the Pearl, it looks like something that would be better suited for the 1604/I-10 area.

Just my opinion. :tup:

It's alright, I don't love it or hate it. I would like it much better if the brick could go all the way up! But budgets can't be infinite I suppose. I appreciate the more human scale towards the street with the brick and window design. The glass box looks like a separate entity that has been dropped onto another building by a giant crane, which I'm not so sure I like (in other words - absolutely no relation to the rest of the building that I can see). I guess I appreciate the height though. The thing I dislike most about the glass box is what appears to be a mostly blank wall in the last rendering, with a thin strip of windows going up the middle. Blank walls never ever look good.

By "close" I mean I've been at ground level near both buildings. I'm not saying the Towers on Park Lane are necessarily almost 100 feet taller than the Broadway, but in terms of presence, the Towers were more impressive. Just always seemed like a bigger building. I'm skeptical at the suggestion that it's shorter.

I am actually a fan of this proposal, by the way. It does look similar to the office towers coming into Houston, as others have mentioned, but the clean aesthetic looks great IMO, and you can't argue with the height increase.

Pretty much my opinion. Thanks for doing the typing so I don't have to. :cheers:

Hot take: I like it.

Express News, says 20 story

https://m.mysanantonio.com/real-esta...e-12764250.php

Thanks, hdrc. Sometimes they do come through.

Yessss!

They're counting the two underground stories.

Among the City’s recommended changes to the conceptual plans were reducing the impact on pedestrians by improving landscaping and pedestrian walkways, and changing the proposed building cap to feature a more distinctive design.

https://therivardreport.com/downtown...ower-broadway/

Hopefully, a much better design will come out of this. And the height isn't an issue. 😁

I would prefer they keep the glass material, but I welcome a more distinctive design.