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Boku Mar 3, 2016 1:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kidphilly (Post 7357098)
Interesting quote on the Apple connection, while nothing I can source I can say I have good information that these discussions have been underway with Apple for over a year now. Can anyone say Apple East...

apparently the Alumni connection has some pretty strong roots and this would be a huge win should win should it happen

What sort of discussions?

Kidphilly Mar 3, 2016 1:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Boku (Post 7357115)
What sort of discussions?

mostly around whether to put a franchise tag on Bradford...

Flyers2001 Mar 3, 2016 1:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kidphilly (Post 7357132)
mostly around whether to put a franchise tag on Bradford...

Thank god they went with the 2 year leasing option. Gives both the parties options heading forward. Don't want to lock up to much space, never know when your going to have to move. :runaway:

Justin7 Mar 3, 2016 1:52 PM

Higher res:

http://i.imgur.com/Wzt1EtC.jpg

boxbot Mar 3, 2016 2:04 PM

I don't know. I feel the tower is...missing something. You know? Like it could be classier. More luxurious.

http://wischlist.com/wp-content/uplo...trump-sign.jpg

Mappy Mar 3, 2016 2:08 PM

I sent some comment/ideas/images to the consultants working on the "Philly District 30" Plan a while ago which included some building massings exactly where they have placed a few of these buildings, but they are way more ambitious than I would have dreamed.

http://i.imgur.com/5eKRmiQ.jpg

I thought my 650' building would be scoffed at, who'd have thought I was being way to conservative!

Anyway, the rest of my sketches are here if you are interested (It mostly pertains to designs on capping the rail yard for development, and expanding the 30th St Station) I guess Ill have to update my designs with the new proposed buildings,

japmes Mar 3, 2016 2:17 PM

[QUOTE=Justin7;7357144]Higher res:

I like how the renderings emphasize the green space by making the trees almost fluorescent. Slick marketing. Hopefully the same sort of exaggeration wasn't used for the Supertall, making an 800' look like a 1200' just for effect.

Arch+Eng Mar 3, 2016 2:30 PM

I am thinking this building should be a mall, or at least have a floor or two of retail with it being right next to 30th St. Station.
http://i.imgur.com/nX29dpF.jpg

Scottydont Mar 3, 2016 2:38 PM

[QUOTE=japmes;7357170]
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Originally Posted by Justin7 (Post 7357144)
I like how the renderings emphasize the green space by making the trees almost fluorescent. Slick marketing. Hopefully the same sort of exaggeration wasn't used for the Supertall, making an 800' look like a 1200' just for effect.

While it is probably slick marketing too, I think the exaggerated colors also are a good visual indication that this would be new green space, and not currently existing.

McBane Mar 3, 2016 2:49 PM

A couple of tidbits:

700,000 sq ft of offices and labs for the first tower confirms that the first tower being built is the "short" reddish hued building next to the Cira II site. That building looks to be slightly shorter than the Cira Center which is 29 floors, 730,000 sq ft and 428 feet tall. So we can expect something in the realm of 25-28 floors and about 375 feet. One reason for Cira's height is the embellished roof design which the proposed tower lacks, so it will likely be under 400 feet.

Regarding the building designs - I wouldn't read too much into them. They're just very fancy mock-ups. The only one that looks to resemble the finished product is the reskinning of the Bulletin Building, which is a huge improvement (though it's still a 4 measly floors). The tri-colored tall one, for example, is awful in my eyes but again, it's so early, I wouldn't even call it a preliminary design.

One thing however that I do like about the buildings is that, while they're all pretty different in design, all seem to incorporate clear and gold glass. I think that's a cool feature that helps tie all the otherwise different buildings together. I hope that the gold color scheme is kept, it's very different.

iheartphilly Mar 3, 2016 3:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Arch+Eng (Post 7357197)
I am thinking this building should be a mall, or at least have a floor or two of retail with it being right next to 30th St. Station.
http://i.imgur.com/nX29dpF.jpg

A major interior renovation to 30th St. Station needs to happen. It has such great potential to be an impressive gateway for rail commuters to and from Philly. It doesn't help in the impression department for those coming by rail to visit Philly or for those that use it to commute regularly. So much going on around this area, wish this would get some attention soon.

Philly Fan Mar 3, 2016 3:21 PM

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Originally Posted by McBane (Post 7357223)
700,000 sq ft of offices and labs for the first tower confirms that the first tower being built is the "short" reddish hued building next to the Cira II site. That building looks to be slightly shorter than the Cira Center which is 29 floors, 730,000 sq ft and 428 feet tall. So we can expect something in the realm of 25-28 floors and about 375 feet. One reason for Cira's height is the embellished roof design which the proposed tower lacks, so it will likely be under 400 feet.

Indeed, that has been explicitly identified as the site of the first tower to be built:

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Work on the first new construction project, a tower of labs and offices at the northeast corner of 31st Street and John F. Kennedy Boulevard, could start by early 2018.
Drexel outlines ambitious plans to build business-residential enclave

iheartphilly Mar 3, 2016 4:11 PM

This would be sexy skin for the tallest one in the group.

http://www.shoparc.com/wp-content/up.../12/w57_03.jpg

gttx Mar 3, 2016 6:51 PM

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Originally Posted by iheartphilly (Post 7357260)
A major interior renovation to 30th St. Station needs to happen. It has such great potential to be an impressive gateway for rail commuters to and from Philly. It doesn't help in the impression department for those coming by rail to visit Philly or for those that use it to commute regularly. So much going on around this area, wish this would get some attention soon.

It will - both new retail offerings and new passenger spaces. Unfortunately it just takes Amtrak much longer to get anything done. Drexel and Brandywine are much better, institutionally, at leading the charge.

You should go to the open house for the District Plan on March 16. There should be more details about the station and the rail yards development, beyond this first phase "Schuylkill Yards" (which isn't a rail yard at all).

gttx Mar 3, 2016 6:58 PM

For everyone's benefit, a few clarifications on points that have been raised....

- Cira II, Firestone, and the sites around Caneris/University Crossings are all shown in their existing condition. This is because the boundary of "Schuylkill Yards" does not include them, not because the plan is to leave them undeveloped. As has been mentioned, Cira II is still a possibility once Amtrak (who owns the site/rail below) gets its act together. There are obviously intentions for Firestone as well.

- The High Line isn't going anywhere. Park spaces and small buildings may go beneath the rail, but the rail itself will remain. There just isn't a realistic alternative for CSX to relocate its operations.

- The "Schuylkill Yards" name was also given to the broader rail yards development in a 2011 PennPlanning studio report. I don't think this is a coincidence. http://www.phillymag.com/property/20...e-penn-drexel/

br323206 Mar 3, 2016 7:29 PM

A minor thing, but cool in my opinion:

One thing that makes NYC cool is that it can seem like the city goes on forever when you look down streets. Currently, if you look down JFK in Philly it is obvious that the city "ends" beyond 30th Street Station. This will fill in that space and make you feel like the city fully envelopes you.

Knight Hospitaller Mar 3, 2016 7:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Swede (Post 7357110)
The motherland is proud that New Sweden is reaching new heights.
:)

/In all the lands ever part of or ruled by Sweden Philly already has the 6 tallest buildings.

Thanks, mom!

Knight Hospitaller Mar 3, 2016 7:31 PM

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Originally Posted by boxbot (Post 7357157)
I don't know. I feel the tower is...missing something. You know? Like it could be classier. More luxurious.

http://wischlist.com/wp-content/uplo...trump-sign.jpg

More gold!

TempleGuy1000 Mar 3, 2016 7:32 PM

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Originally Posted by br323206 (Post 7357737)
A minor thing, but cool in my opinion:

One thing that makes NYC cool is that it can seem like the city goes on forever when you look down streets. Currently, if you look down JFK in Philly it is obvious that the city "ends" beyond 30th Street Station. This will fill in that space and make you feel like the city fully envelopes you.

when is the last time you looked down JFK? Lancaster Square does exactly what you are suggesting: http://hiddencityphila.org/wp-conten...nb_jfkblvd.jpg

I agree these buildings could definitely enhance that feeling of "extending the city"

Knight Hospitaller Mar 3, 2016 7:33 PM

[QUOTE=japmes;7357170]
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Originally Posted by Justin7 (Post 7357144)
Higher res:

I like how the renderings emphasize the green space by making the trees almost fluorescent. Slick marketing. Hopefully the same sort of exaggeration wasn't used for the Supertall, making an 800' look like a 1200' just for effect.

The extra 400 feet is for the rooftop village.;)

Urbanthusiat Mar 3, 2016 7:34 PM

I mentioned it in the Development thread but I figured I'd toss it in here too:

I think the Bulliten building would be a great place for Carpenter Technology to locate its corporate HQ, as we recently heard it was looking to move from Reading to Philly. It seems like a good fit for the Drexel/corporate partnership thing they're going for since Carpenter could recruit business and engineering students from Drexel.

To further preach to the choir, I just love the potential of Philly and University City in particular. Having a strong innovation/knowledge economy really is a great way of sticking to the city's heritage as a center of culture and learning. If this gets built I have to imagine University City becomes the unrivaled second-best (after Cambridge of course) innovation district in the U.S. I can easily see Philly (re)emerging as the globally elite city it was always meant to be. The social and physical infrastructure of Center City is certainly on-par (and perhaps even better in certain areas) with that of NYC, Boston, Chicago, DC, San Fran, and LA - the only U.S. cities I would call "globally elite."

I'm also really excited about the Apple rumor. That'd be a HUGE boost in attracting other companies - who doesn't want to be close to one of the biggest companies in the world? I'll admit I had been fantasizing over the thought of "Google East" before the plan was even released, but I'll settle for Apple. Does anyone else like the sound of "Silicon Alley?" :tup:

Knight Hospitaller Mar 3, 2016 7:39 PM

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Originally Posted by br323206 (Post 7357737)
A minor thing, but cool in my opinion:

One thing that makes NYC cool is that it can seem like the city goes on forever when you look down streets. Currently, if you look down JFK in Philly it is obvious that the city "ends" beyond 30th Street Station. This will fill in that space and make you feel like the city fully envelopes you.

Agreed. Center City, except on S. Broad near city hall, and the densest areas on Walnut and Chestnut, always seemed very compact. The first time I ever felt that "Manhattan effect" was when I worked on Rittenhouse Square and the large Wharton "round tower" construction was becoming visible 20 blocks away. Those sorts of views are getting more noticeable in more directions.

tdawg Mar 3, 2016 7:48 PM

Amazing proposal! BTW Silicon Alley has been around for a very long time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Alley

br323206 Mar 3, 2016 8:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TempleGuy1000 (Post 7357745)
when is the last time you looked down JFK? Lancaster Square does exactly what you are suggesting: http://hiddencityphila.org/wp-conten...nb_jfkblvd.jpg

I agree these buildings could definitely enhance that feeling of "extending the city"

You're absolutely right that Lancaster Square helped out a lot. I was really excited about it for this same reason. But these added towers will really complete that view and exaggerate the effect.

Urbanthusiat Mar 3, 2016 8:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tdawg (Post 7357770)
Amazing proposal! BTW Silicon Alley has been around for a very long time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Alley

I had a feeling it was too clever and obvious to have not been used already. Sigh.

iheartphilly Mar 3, 2016 9:37 PM

The tallest looks to be 2.25-2.5x the size of Evo.

http://cdn.phillymag.com/wp-content/...3/IMG_0151.jpg

Boku Mar 3, 2016 9:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbanthusiat (Post 7357879)
I had a feeling it was too clever and obvious to have not been used already. Sigh.

Phillycon Valley
Schuylkillcon Valley
CheesesteakWithProvolone Valley
ZooBalloon Valley

C'mon, we can do this!

boxbot Mar 3, 2016 9:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Boku (Post 7357960)
Phillycon Valley
Schuylkillcon Valley
CheesesteakWithProvolone Valley
ZooBalloon Valley

C'mon, we can do this!

Silijawn Valley

Plokoon11 Mar 3, 2016 10:05 PM

I vote for Phillycon Valley: pronouncing it as Phila-con. It sounds better.

iheartphilly Mar 3, 2016 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Plokoon11 (Post 7358002)
I vote for Phillycon Valley: pronouncing it as Phila-con. It sounds better.

I dunno...get "con" in "Phila"...doesn't exactly convey trust in a business transaction...if an agreement or contract doesn't get signed even if the proposed transaction was bona fide...runaway:

Milksteak Mar 3, 2016 10:26 PM

Hey All, this project seems to have brought all of the long time lurkers out of the woodwork (including myself). Happy to be a member of the forum and insanely amped about this proposal.

summersm343 Mar 4, 2016 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by iheartphilly (Post 7357945)
The tallest looks to be 2.25-2.5x the size of Evo.

http://cdn.phillymag.com/wp-content/...3/IMG_0151.jpg

Yeah, it's difficult to tell, because this in this rendering it looks 2.5 to 2.75 times the size of Evo:
http://static1.squarespace.com/stati...g?format=1500w

Evo is 430 feet tall. At 2.25 times the size, that's 967 feet tall. At 2.5 times the height, that's 1,075 feet tall. At 2.75 times the height, that's 1,182 feet tall.

Therefore I just guessed a range between 900 and 1200 feet for this tower haha. There probably is no exact height yet.

tower Mar 4, 2016 12:33 AM

Philly angles are weird, the Comcast Center gets dwarfed behind 1LP when looking north. I'm going to stay positive and go with that it looks 1200 feet when viewed looking to da west. CITC is going to look like the Empire State building west looking east.

Kumdogmillionaire Mar 4, 2016 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Shwayze1994 (Post 7356324)
If this gets built to fruition, than Philly may have a skyline to easily compete with Chicago as the US's second best skyline. Also didn't it say something about ShOP designing it? This could be great!!

Let's not go crazy bud, by the time this project would get completed Chicago will have 10+ Supertalls, and it's hard to beat the lake view of the skyline

spidey7312 Mar 4, 2016 1:00 AM

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Originally Posted by tower (Post 7358213)
Philly angles are weird, the Comcast Center gets dwarfed behind 1LP when looking north. I'm going to stay positive and go with that it looks 1200 feet when viewed looking to da west. CITC is going to look like the Empire State building west looking east.

When looking to the west it will be blocked by Comcast Center.
I don't like the tallest tower but the rest will go great with the skyline

summersm343 Mar 4, 2016 1:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Kumdogmillionaire (Post 7358231)
Let's not go crazy bud, by the time this project would get completed Chicago will have 10+ Supertalls, and it's hard to beat the lake view of the skyline

Let's not start a City V. City war. Everyone knows Chicago has a much larger skyline.

summersm343 Mar 4, 2016 1:21 AM

Tower construction timeline?

Not sure why they're saying the three towers to the south of Market will be the last to be built. Also not sure why this needs to take 20+ years. If it were me planning this site, I would plan it as such:

2016-2017: Park and Bulletin construction

2017-2019: 31st & JFK Office/ground floor retail tower construction - 375 FT

2018-2020: 30th and Chestnut - ground floor retail, 6 floors of office space, relocate all labs at 3101 Market to here. Topped with a luxury apartment tower - 520 feet

2020-2023: 3100 block of JFK - simultaneous construction of tallest tower and second tower as well as "grove" green space in between. Tallest tower a mix of office space, hotel space, and luxury apartments with ground floor retail - between 1,075 feet and 1,187 feet. Second tower, all office space with ground floor retail - 380 feet.

2022-2024: 3100 block of JFK tallest tower - mix of office, hotel and luxury apartments with ground floor retail - 705 feet

2024-2026: 3100 block of JFK smaller tower - luxury apartments with ground floor retail - 420 feet

2026-2028: 31st and Market tower - mixed of office and luxury apartments with ground floor retail - 370 feet

2028-2030: 30th and Market tower - office space with ground floor retail - 405 feet

14 years and done!

wanderer34 Mar 4, 2016 1:21 AM

The proposal is very impressive indeed, and the supertall, while not really as breathtaking and astonishing, IMHO, is a lot better looking and more original than the CITC. I actually thought this was actually for the Powelton Air Rights over the rail yard, but this project seems extend from Walnut to JFK Blvd.

It's still a good looking proposal, and hopefully the proposal will evolve into a better looking supertall tower and hopefully a new intercity bus station nearby 30th St Station, since we're talking about a transportation hub as well as an office and residential district!!!

summersm343 Mar 4, 2016 2:12 AM

Alright, so because I have nothing to do tonight, I measured and guesstimated the height of each tower based off the height of Evo which is 430 feet tall. Also guesstimated the floor count of each tower based on Evo and FMC towers:

1,095 FT - 70 FLOORS - Tallest Tower
670 FT - 45 FLOORS - 3100 block JFK tall tower
515 FT - 42 FLOORS - 30th and Chestnut
435 FT - 36 FLOORS - 3100 block JFK short tower
425 FT - 30 FLOORS - 30th and Market
385 FT - 28 FLOORS - 3100 block Market tower
380 FT - 28 FLOORS - 31st and JFK tower
375 FT - 31 FLOORS - 31st and Market tower

All in all, looks like this could be the second tallest in the city :cheers:

NYguy Mar 4, 2016 2:41 AM

Very nice!


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New York's SHoP Architects will develop the project's streetscape and architectural standards

I knew SHoP had a hand in it the minute I saw the renderings. That crown also reminds me of the planned 45 Broad St in New York (not SHoP), which would be around the same height.


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/162657075/original.jpghttp://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/162703576/original.jpg

summersm343 Mar 4, 2016 2:43 AM

^^Really cool! I really like these designs. It reminds of a mythical castle/tower... something straight out of a fantasy movie.

philatonian Mar 4, 2016 3:56 AM

Architecture and height aside, the plan seems very smart and pro-Philadelphia on the part of Drexel. However this "master plan" truly unfolds I think it's a plus for the region.

cafeguy Mar 4, 2016 4:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Cro Burnham (Post 7356903)

Are there any current skyscrapers right now with this type of facade? Or is this facade-type just on proposals at this moment?

Hudson11 Mar 4, 2016 4:56 AM

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Originally Posted by cafeguy (Post 7358499)
Are there any current skyscrapers right now with this type of facade? Or is this facade-type just on proposals at this moment?

terracotta facade... it typically isn't that glossy. This is the tallest example i can think of.

http://www.comitini.com/images/woolw...st_300x768.jpg
source

iheartphilly Mar 4, 2016 5:03 AM

The proposed tallest reminds of One PPG Place in Pittsburg.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...place-2007.jpg

thisisforreal Mar 4, 2016 1:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Plokoon11 (Post 7358002)
I vote for Phillycon Valley: pronouncing it as Phila-con. It sounds better.

That just sounds like Richmond Valentine is trying to say Silicone Valley:
http://www.xfdrmag.net/wp-content/up...-l-jackson.jpg

gjrip Mar 4, 2016 2:20 PM

Imho there's much more to a great skyline than height. Even if these designs get downsized, such development in the area is absolutely amazing. There's no excuse for those awful parking lots. All they do is make UCity feel distant from CC. Cant wait for the back half of One Drexel Plaza to be demolished with some legitimate development in its place.

Flyers2001 Mar 4, 2016 2:23 PM

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Originally Posted by gjrip (Post 7358710)
Imho there's much more to a great skyline than height. Even if these designs get downsized, such development in the area is absolutely amazing. There's no excuse for those awful parking lots. All they do is make UCity feel distant from CC. Cant wait for the back half of One Drexel Plaza to be demolished with some legitimate development in its place.

Totally agree. :cheers:

br323206 Mar 4, 2016 2:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Plokoon11 (Post 7358002)
I vote for Phillycon Valley: pronouncing it as Phila-con. It sounds better.

That name has been used for over a decade. "Silicon Valley Forge" is another common one.

http://articles.philly.com/2000-10-3...nology-council

Insoluble Mar 4, 2016 3:29 PM

Boxbot wins:
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Originally Posted by boxbot (Post 7357980)
Silijawn Valley

This plan is awesome. I love the design and just about everything about this. I hope an updated transportation plan comes along as part of the package. 30th street station being right near by is definitely a plus, but this project could be a great excuse to rethink things like the 30th street subway connection to 30th street station, bus routing through the area, and (pie in the sky I know) extending PATCO across the schuylkill.


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