I'm sorta of two minds on skywalks.
I fully agree with Macca that they are detrimental to the public realm. But I also know how *nice* it is to traverse the U of S campus in winter through their system of tunnels and skywalks. But skywalks are not only detrimental to the public realm for removing pedestrians from the street (people may descend from the convenience of the skywalk system in nice weather, they may not). It's also the effect the physical structures have on the actual street outside. They clutter up views and vistas (imagine one blocking our view of the Bess down 21st St), and makes spaces below and around them foreboding. I want my streets to be open and airy above my head, except for the streetwall of buildings on either side. Have you been in the heart of Calgary's downtown and felt how the tall buildings and criss-cross of skywalks feels on some streets? It's not pleasant. Now, Saskatoon will never get there ever, even if we allowed skywalks. But maybe we're better off if we just focused on making our streets more comfortable, sheltered, and inviting in the winter? Awnings, canopies, windbreaks, heated sidewalks, etc. It's not like we have a cohesive network of office buildings that would make stringing them together with a skywalk system worthwhile anyway. |
Actually, maybe I'm not of two minds. No to skywalks.
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pros: they keep affluent people warm for part of the year cons: literally everything else |
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Also coming from someone that worked and lived downtown in Winnipeg for a few years - I'd say people there would not be too happy if their 5km skywalk started getting dismantled (maybe other winnipegers reading this thread can back me up). Everyone I met there loves their skywalk. I loved it so much - and still took every opportunity to go outside on nice summer days to get that vitamin D - Portage and Main is bumpin with activity in the summer. For the cold days in the winter, windy/rainy days in the summer, the opportunity to grab a bite farther than the close vicinity 365 days of the year... we need them here so badly ☹️ |
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Looks like Popeyes has been attracting quite the line-ups in Calgary. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...tion-1.3910106 |
Skywalks
As someone who has worked downtown for 32 years I would love some skywalks starting with Scotia Centre to Midtown. I love to get out and walk at lunch and do so when the weather is nice. But when the weather is crappy I stay in the office. Businesses don't get a dime from me when the weather is crappy. Pros - it gets people more active, it gets people out of the office and spending money at businesses downtown, etc.
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On skywalks
First of all, I'm with Macca and Echoes on this - not a fan of skywalks, generally.
I could see a link from Scotia Centre to Midtown, and Midtown to the Scotia Bank theatre. However, the layout of our downtown and the way our office buildings are dispersed doesn't currently allow for the construction of many skywalks. Our small buildings on second and third avenues are not made to accommodate skywalks and I would hate to see a skywalk across either of those streets. The buildings on fourth avenue like the Federated building, Saskatoon Square, the MNP building, and the Sturdy Stone Centre could be connected, but for what? Parking? There is no food court or indoor gathering space on that side of the downtown to justify it. For the main downtown office buildings to be connected, it would likely need to be similar to Winnipeg with a series of tunnels in addition to skywalks. Perhaps when (if) North Prairie builds on their property between 3rd and 4th and if someone would build an office building on the lot on the corner of 22nd and 3rd beside the Drinkle No. 3, both sides could be linked up. It would also require a significant investment from taxpayers for something like this, which is something I can't see happening. |
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Well roryn I think we will have to conceed a loss. I agree that skywalks (and tunnels) would make getting around easier during parts of the year and maybe create some economic opportunities its unlikely to happen anytime soon. Maybe in 2 decades if/when we have a new downtown stadium, Riverlanding,River Centre 2 and the WTC are all built it will be time to start thinking about it harder. To sum up Jimmy's post we just are not there yet and to force it into existance would greatly detract from the charactor of our downtown.
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Never a loss! I think we need to plan this now for when we have those buildings in 20 years and as far as I can find urban planners in the city haven't really considered it much. To me as a citizen living and working downtown this makes more sense to me than spending on transit to bring more business downtown.
Another great example is Toronto's Path system http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/co...0071d60f89RCRD |
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I think it's far too early to start planning for an underground tunnel or skywalk system when the key components have yet to be built. Having a ready-made or pre-planned skywalk system isn't going to attract businesses downtown - vibrant street-level businesses have far more economic sway. And a few parkades wouldn't hurt, either - perhaps a decent park-and-ride system could be considered. We also need to undo the damage of the past 20-30 years of horrible administration that allowed for the development of millions of square feet of office space in the periphery of the city. Had we not had to suffer through the Dayday/Atchison era of outward expansion and kowtowing to overzealous housing developers, we may have a few links built downtown already. I understand where you're coming from, but our downtown just isn't there. I think it's more than 20 years away from looking at this kind of development. |
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I think you just answered your original rant here. We don't have more skywalks and an indoor pedestrian system because we lack the density downtown. And there are several reasons we lack density - see my post above for some. |
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