Thats the best looking Trump Tower I have ever seen!

Did I read somewhere that the start date has been pushed back a little from early 2007 to spring 2007? Or is that another project...? There are a few in Atlanta who's startdates are being shifted a bit.

DRI plans are subject to change. I would trust what was said at MNA, as that occurs after DRI submittal.

I prefer 2 medium height buildings rather 1 really tall tower. I believe 2 medium ones would fill in more holes in the skyline, opposed to just one really tall one. Either way, it's awesome!

These kind of remind me of the 2 new towers more recently proposed for Reno. Very similar in style.

Trump has updated its website. It looks better but still nothing worth while...yet.

http://www.trumptowersatlanta.com/

:previous: I thought you were talking about the buildings, but it's the website itself :haha:

So, what is the starting time for these?

I think i read online the other day of a May 2007 start for tower 1.

The start of these towers is also dependent on when GDOT finishes (well, they haven't even started it yet) the 15th St. extension between West Peachtree and Spring. They were planning to start after that occured, as GDOT's design for the road will affect entrances/exits of the development.

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:previous: Wow. This sure ain't the same Atlanta my family relocated to in 1974!

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My sister, who lives in Seminole near St. Pete in Florida, just forwarded the following link to me about Trump's Tampa tower...

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/03/06/Bu...yers_sue.shtml

That's too bad about those Tampa buyers. I can't see that happening with Wood Partners in Atlanta, though.

I recently read that there was a possibility that Related Group would take over the Tampa Trump project.

Also Wood Partners is considering doing future Trump projects in LA and Seattle.

Hands down one of the better Trump projects out side of Chicago! I for one love the sculptural waterfall at the base.....it serves midtown well and along with the building itself will be come a local icon - it "says" Trump!

June 1st according to the Business Chronicle

I was just reading the ARC review which says that the 15th street extension will be built as a part of this development.

Yeah....the curb cuts for Trump were dependent on the design for 15th street; I was a little misleading with my post - they needed the design, not necessarily the actual construction, finished.

By the way, where did you find the review? How was 15th street layed out?

EDIT: I found the review....one interesting thing I noticed was that it proposes two 47-story towers, to be built in one phase. On the site plan, however, it shows one 38-story tower and one 47-story tower. Which is it?

Several people have mentioned that the latest rendering shows two buildings that appear to be of equal height---hope it's true!

Why not just build one 94-story mammoth...that seems more Trump-like to me. :cool:

yep...when news of Trump first leaked out I thought we had a good shot at a new "tallest". He's well over 1,000 ft in Chicago with a new single tower...still, I'm extremely excited about this double 40-ish tower configuration, which will add lots of exciting new density to the Midtown skyline.

:previous: As am I, plus I'm really diggin the base, which would be hard to pull off in 1 tower. I'd take 2 600 ft. towers over one 1,200 ft. tower anyday.

On a side note, I really hope that the BOA building gets a couple of 600 ft. friends in the next 10 years.

isn't building one 1000 foot tower a lot more expensive than 2 500 foot towers?

:previous: John...no, not appreciably so. Of course there are hundreds of variables on any given project, but the basic building systems are the same, and unit rates don't go up for taller projects, in fact many of them come down. It wouldn't surprise me terribly to find two 40-story towers to be as expensive or even more expensive, than a single tower twice as tall, especially if the larger footprint of the double tower configuration required significantly more land acquisition.

Steve,

I am not sure that is the case. I am not an architect, but I believe I read that as height increases, regulations change. Therefore, materials used and foundation, etc. change and dramatically increase cost as height increases. I think that is why in Atlanta we see more 2 tower developments. Also, our land prices are cheaper than say New York.

While the price to actually construct them might not be too different, you have to remember that 2 40-story towers will give you a lot more sellable space than 1 80-story tower. When you start getting higher you need more area devoted towards elevator shafts, thus decreasing total floor space that can be sold as condos or whatever.

that's basically what i was referring to.

as for construction costs of 50 story buidligns vs. 100 story building, i attended a lecture a couple years ago by adrian smith of SOM, the architect of trump tower in chicago, the burj dubai, the jin mao, and many other noteworthy skyscrapers, and he mentioned that constructing a 100 story building was more expensive than building two 50 story buildings of equal square footage by a rough factor of two. this means that you could build 4 50 story buildings for the price of a single 100 story building. so it doesn indeed cost a great deal of money to go supertall (which he defined as buildings in the 100 story range). he said this is why supertalls are relatively rare and are only found in the most expensive real estate markets in america. he said that the added cost comes from the increasing complexity of the building systems as you continue to stack floor upon floor and from the much greater wind loads that the structural system must account for when you get into the 100 story range.

i have no idea if all this true, but he is the architect of some of the tallest buildings in the world, so i'm willing to take his word for it.

Good additional input from all, above. As I said, there's hundreds of variables involved. When you go very tall, some unit construction costs rise, and just as many unit construction costs drop. The basic floor by floor structural components don't change. As others correctly noted, very tall equates to additional elevator banks, which reduces leasable or sellable per floor SF, stouter structural members with greater cross-sectional area, which also reduces leasable or sellable per floor SF, costlier admixtures for increased strength, etc. However, the complexity level of building a 40-story building is not appreciably different from that of an 80-story building. Same HVAC systems, electrical, plumbing, life safety and fire suppression, etc. For example, the construction cost of the HVAC equipment (heating and cooling) for two 40-story buildings might be greater than the cost of the HVAC equipment needed for one 80-story building. If Trump went 1,000 ft in Atlanta vs. the two 500+ proposed, I might expect the construction costs for the 1,000 footer to be marginally more expensive, but in no way would they approach twice the cost. Whether that would economic sense to do here in Atlanta, that's another issue, but that's not was I referring to in my earlier post. I'm a P.E., Civil, and my job involves (in part) assessing construction costs at commercial facilities nationwide.

I disagree and side with Steely Dan and Adrian Smith's assessment of cost vs height. An 80 story building will cost considerably more than 2 40 story towers. Yes systems are similar and so forth, but as you add height you have lots and lots of additional variables and costs increase greatly.

If that wasn't the case why do you see so many 20 story towers in suburban office markets when technically developers could build 1 40 story tower and still have a lot left for later use. Furthermore, why are supertalls limited to cities with the costliest real estate on average. Because supertall construction is much more expensive is the answer.

Of course you are welcome to disagree and thanks for offering your opinion. This isn't a matter of "taking sides". "lots and lots of additional variables"...such as? No. I'll just say one more time....UNIT construction costs do not go up wildly...some go up, some go down. The reason you don't see 40 story towers in the suburbs vs multiple 20 stories is NOT because it costs much more to build, it's because of other factors such as zoning and aesthetics and nimbyism. The original question referred to construction costs and my responses have been directed at construction costs.

There's a large rendering on this pdf of apparently some German investors for this project.

Also some pics of the site and a lobby rendering on pages 12-14.

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well, adrian smith would disagree with you. i remember him specifically mentioning how costs for things like plumbing and mechanical systems begin to skyrocket once you get into the 100 story range. he said the costs of these systems in the supertall building increased exponentially, they were not linear. like i said, this was just the lecture of a guy who has actually designed some of the tallest buildings in the world, so i tend to believe him.

and for what's it's worth, adrian was not talking about total project cost such as land aquisition, legal crap, marketing, etc. he was talking solely about the construction costs of building a 100 story office building vs. 2 50 story office buildings of the same total square footage. of course there are always variables that can change the quation, butaccording to adrian smith, the construction costs of the 100 story version of the above scenario are much higher, generally speaking.

Check out the rendering of Trump on the skyline for 2010, someone basically cut and pasted it over a pic of midtown. It looks 100 feet taller than OAC. The monster large rendering is ultra cool though.

LOL, I noticed that 2010 shot. I wish it'd be that height when finished it'd make the Trump statement for sure then but alas it's just overblown in the rendering but still looks really good.

Best renderings and pics I've seen yet!

How great would it have been if this was on the corner of 14th and Spring St.? I don't know, those condos by Trump Tower just scream old and tired. Not what you expect when paying the kind of $$$ they are asking. Still I really like the look and the base of this building will set the new standard! Just my opinion.

Well I know it's been a while and no new renderings from Novare about the 14th street site but I really think this sleek glass curve here will complement the tiered veritical smooth surface Novare was planning and is really going to blend with 1180 and make the area around 14th beautiful when all completed and contrasted against the iconic former IBM tower and the late 80's highrises from 12th to 14th.

This area is going to be Dynamite in styles and mixes in 5 years minus the condos beside Trump's site as you mentioned.

that's Dutch, actually, but the renderings are very good in that PDF.

It's also facing the wrong direction, how silly! :haha:

The building isn't even up yet...and you have this strong opinion???

The building doesn't exist yet...and you have this strong opinion???

I think you did not understand what I was saying. Look at page 14 of the pdf. The buildings on the lot next to Trump Towers look tired and old, not TT.

Yeah i was under the impression that the towers would be facing the new 15th street, not spring st.

:doh: My German friends would be so dissapointed.

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Trump tower base pic. Is that waterfalls I see?

Seems like someone mentioned a while back that there was a zoning issue or something for this water feature. Would love to see it though.

Issue? Like what, keeping bums from taking baths in it like COP's fountains?