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Are there any rumors on who's occupying the office space? Their site says "Retail and office space are available Q1 2021." however I'm curious if that date will stick. |
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It looks like another attempt to develop Fifth Avenue Landing is rejected. Some port commissioners believe the project is too large for the site, among other objections. One quote from the article jumps out at me.
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If they approve this is it will muck up the CC expansion effort. |
Super vaccine station being built in tailgate park.
(From Reddit) https://preview.redd.it/5jyg3po0qea6...=webp&e03a851a |
More info on the Seaport San Diego redo:
What’s happening with Seaport San Diego, the $2.5B redo of downtown’s Central Embarcadero? https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/d...-201810-14.png https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/d...-201810-13.png I gotta say, of all the projects I expected might be delayed/canceled by COVID, this was the one I thought most likely. Good to see there's still some motion behind it. |
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Glad to see that Little Italy project moving forward. I also saw earth moving equipment at the last lot of La Jolla Commons just west of the 805. It was 2 things not massive tractors so we shall see if something is brewing there.
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https://www.globenewswire.com/news-r...alifornia.html According to Open DSD the sites permits expire in 2023, so they gotta get crackin or get an extension. https://opendsd.sandiego.gov/Web/Pro...Details/324553 |
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Also noticed a decent amount of the parking lot at UTC probably 2 to acres right next to the new tower in SW Corner of property is fenced off with heavy equipment parked on it... Hmm any word of another tower going in there? Why not with malls and retail looking rough in the coming years keep adding housing!! :cheers: |
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The height limit thing is, again, removing the 500' above sea level limit. Not the 500' above ground level. So if your site is on a 30' hill, you can build a 500' tower instead of a 470' one. Regarding "rules for housing under flight paths", state law says every airport needs an Airport Land Use Compatibility Plan (ALUCP) that lays out land usage restrictions for noise, safety, etc. The regional airport authority, which runs SDIA, makes one for each airport in the county based on state and FAA guidance. One of those guidelines says you're not supposed to allow any housing within 6000' feet of a runway end... a rule that just about every airport in California breaks because they didn't start making these ALUCPs until the early 2000s. So instead, they all just froze housing density at whatever it was when they adopted the ALUCP. A local jurisdiction, like the City of San Diego, can override the ALUCP if it wants to. But then it also assumes all legal liability if, say, an airliner runs into the housing block they just approved. Because of the potential liability issues most cities approve these exemptions on a case by case basis. But then most cities aren't San Diego, where practically half the city is within a mile of one runway or another, and there's constant requests for exemptions. So the city got together and laid out a map of potential exemptions they'd allow, and basically tells the authority "we're preapproved everything on here". Saves everyone time really. Man I wish journalists would spend a little more time trying to understand what they're writing about instead of being vague and confusing. |
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https://i.imgur.com/euYKSvz.jpg The Part 77 surfaces in this chart are recommended height limits, which are just 166.8 feet over most of downtown. Cities can elect to override them, but the State of CA restricts anything that exceeds the recommendations to no more than 500 feet above ground. From the outermost circle, the 500 foot limit extends almost to the Coronado bridge. I would note that this image only includes San Diego International, North Island and Montgomery Field have their own airspace limitations. As you can see the Part 77 surfaces do get lower closer to the airport, but determining the actual height limit before you start impacting flight operations is a more complex topic. |
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Note: supporting populations larger than ~100k would require significant improvements in infrastructure, especially public transit. Downtown is currently scoped for 90k residents, about 3x its current population. |
Got a picture of whatever is going up on 14th and Imperial while taking my sister to the Vaccine Super Station
https://i.imgur.com/4DGraD7.jpg?1 Nice infill! |
That building is affordable housing built by Father Joe's Villages. If original construction timelines stick, it should be done around this time next year.
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Will, thank you for setting the record straight on the height limits. Are those part 77 surfaces translatable to any jet rated runway, as in: are the same offsets and heights applicable to Miramar and North Island just reoriented to the ends of their runways? |
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Which brings us to the subject of North Island, because I'm sorry to say San Diego International isn't the only one restricting the heights downtown... https://i.imgur.com/pnMldju.jpg Here's a diagram of North Island's part 77 surfaces. The surface in green is at 525.9' above sea level. As before, any building that breeches it is limited to just 500' in height. So if you got rid of San Diego International, the tallest thing you could build would be... 525.9'. Provided you built it at sea level, because every foot of ground height is a foot you lose in building height, until you reach 500' and then it doesn't matter anymore. Honestly though, I tend to forget North Island's airspace restrictions exist because they come up so little. San Diego International has a more direct impact on downtown, and Coronado isn't exactly encouraging upward growth. The Authority only got around to approving an ALUCP for North Island in October, nearly 20 years after the state started mandating them. The delay was due to the lack of urgency to protect North Island's airspace, and Coronado's fear that any document that acknowledges they live near a military airbase will decrease home values. |
Good Construction News
The massive 370 Unit Lennar Project at Park Blvd and the very west end of El Cajon Blvd is now fully under way. Huge density for University Heights :cheers:
I have also seen some nice infill in the old parts of La Mesa as well. The Jefferson is the largest of the projects but there are a sprinkling of smaller ones as well. Plus Otay Ranch (The giant empty lot behind the movie theatre at mall) now finally being filled with 900 Apartments. The East Side of Chula Vista is quietly becoming very built up. I was on a hill looking east towards the mall and the built environment looked chunky and impressive from that angle. Go CV go :tup: Then down off the 905 and Caliente exit tons of stuff being built as well, the SouthSide is rising son! :notacrook: |
NEW PROPOSALS THREAD!
Toll Brothers are proposing "The Milano" which would be located in front of the new Carté Hotel. The tower would consist of 37 stories and have 356 apartments. https://i.imgur.com/tpNx3no.png CA Ventures is proposing 800 broadway which would be located right behind Broadway Block by Bosa (8th and Broadway) https://i.imgur.com/z5VAaFM.png Cast Development is proposing "The Fellow" in East Village and would consist of 19 stories and have 129 apartments. https://i.imgur.com/V38umGn.png Bosa Development is proposing 8th and B and would consist of 40 stories and will have 514 apartments and have a 0.5-acre park. https://i.imgur.com/iqv4VBj.png Finally, we have Broadway Suites which would consist of 20 stories and have 317 hotel rooms. https://i.imgur.com/H9YFqzw.png https://i.imgur.com/SB5pSsq.png |
Thanks, Nv! Where did you find all these?
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BOSA Shifting Business Model
Interesting, he is focusing on building rentals in the Core (Not really East Village) and not building his approved condo tower next to Pacific Gate or the one on the block he owns next to Harbor Club.
I've always hated that 8th and B surface parking lot caddy corner to Symphony Towers with a passion so I'm really hoping this one breaks ground before the bubble bursts. Side Note: I was in Carlsbad and walked around extensively last Thursday and the Village is becoming slightly impressive. There are three new 4 floor developments that have wrapped up recently one is maybe 6 months away but the structure is up. The downtown is really getting extended North along State St with one project wrapping up and a fairly major one that was approved in October and should break ground soon. Last North County Note: The old hospital site of Pomerado Medical in downtown Escondido will finally be moving forward with 450 units on 13 acres... A bit underwhelming but hey its housing in their downtown. Heard a couple more projects in or near the downtown recently were approved. |
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@mello: I recall an article from 2019 where he said development on the waterfront was overheated and PG was having difficulty filling up. By the looks of it that situation still stands.
@dl3000: The process was made even better by the military's tendency towards blunt honesty. Civilian organizations will bend over backwards to disassociate their language from what they actually do. They're "Airport Safety Comparability Zones" where "land use policies and standards should should be intended to reduce the adverse consequences of accidents". The military calls them Accident Potential Zones, tells you they've calculated there will be an average of one aircraft crash per 8.1 acres over a 30 year period, and say you should eliminate all housing in the area. |
Does anybody know what's getting built on Euclid Avenue south of the 94 and north of Market St (@ Hilltop)?
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UT had a big article about financing for Hotel projects drying up in DT. Do you guys see Cisterra moving forward with 7/th and Market but instead of having the Ritz Carlton just make them regular condos at the top of the project?
Might as well rework the project a bit a build something in this cycle if you can. Update on Escondido old Pomerado Site: 510 units on 14 acres.... Was approved for 800. Hopefully there is some nice park space or public amenities integrated in to it so downtown Escondido can have something nice. Streamliner: No link to that project I got the 370 unit figure from the owner of a liqour store/deli on Park Blvd a couple blocks away. He is in the know, been the owner for 10 years. UTC La Jolla Parcel just west of 805 (La Jolla Commons) the 3rd pad that has been empty for years now has a port o potty and earth moving equipment on it. Come on 3rd tower :cheers: |
The University Heights project is called The Winslow and will have 379 units with 7 stories and one below grade parking level. A 15,000 square foot CVS and 542 parking spaces. It’s amenity package will include a pool, coworking space, private dog park, fireside lounge with catering kitchen and fitness center. They just received a $113 million construction loan which recently made the news. What Now San Diego just did an article with some great renderings but couldn’t figure out how to post them here.
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What project is going up just East of the downtown police station?
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Well, the Terminal 1 replacement project at SAN is still rolling and appears to be on-time with the 8/2019 schedule :cheers:
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Try searching: affordable housing development Euclid ave to find articles. More building should be coming just south of there where the Churchs Chicken is being torn down. At lot has been planned for over a decade in that area due to being at the trolley stop. |
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Bummer. I'll try and get out there and shoot some photos. |
New construction starts: Pinnacle 2 is under constructing next to Pinnacle 1 that's wrapping up construction. 37 story tower by Holland Partner is also under construction by Broadway and 4th street. 2 towers are under construction in Little Italy which one is almost done on A street. A few blocks down: hole is nearing the bottom.
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Recent assessment of Downtown SD by walking and checking the pulse: downtown still has way too many parking lots and vacant sites. There is a lot of blight along C street, Broadway, and east of 7th street and west of Market in East Village. There are pockets of vibrancy now and before covid downtown, and half of downtown is completely dead, particularly in the heart. Vibrancy: Gaslamp, Little Italy and waterfront. Rest dead and tons of homeless people and mentally ills. Downtown needs more infill. The whole city: lacking sport teams with just one, quality airport that is not very modernized from the outside, Fortune 500 companies and tv series based on the city. Lastly, most of the city is suburban by 2/3 and lacking urban density as a city as a whole.
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I saw exterior light testing on Pinnacle's nearly completed Tower I on Broadway&11th. The extruded wall/pilaster feature that runs from the base to the roof and cantilevers over the roof (cantilever still under construction) has some LED strip lights running the length of the extruded wall, it changes color too! Should look neat when both buildings are lit up at night.
The tiny 2 story California Inn that they're supposed to restore and put back will look so out of place when its finished (I am glad they kept it). I wonder where it went after they removed it from the site, it would be nice to be able to see the restoration progress. :shrug: |
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