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I may be wrong, but I tihnk the only presence Microsoft, Lowes and Home Depot currently have in SA is retail and sales. Lowes has a proposed data center near Westover Hills. Microsoft is considering a data center nearby. Garden Ridge is actually headquartered in Houston. |
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My point is there are many cities with less corporate presence than San Antonio. A fact you left out. |
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First time poster, got to add my 2 cents, since I am also a sports fan. First of all, market shares do not buy tickets, people do. So I think it is relevant to look at metro population, or MSA population. Here are the cities in SA's neighborhood. I've put their rank in terms of US population as well as how may teams they have: 20 Tampa–St. Petersburg–Clearwater FL 2,647,658 - 3 teams 21 Pittsburgh PA 2,386,074 - 3 teams 22 Denver–Aurora CO 2,359,994 - 4 teams 23 Cleveland–Elyria–Mentor OH 2,126,318 - 3 teams 24 Portland–Vancouver–Beaverton OR–WA 2,095,861 25 Cincinnati–Middletown OH–KY–IN 2,070,441 - 2 teams 26 Sacramento–Arden-Arcade–Roseville CA 2,042,283 27 Kansas City MO–KS 1,947,694 - 2 teams 28 Orlando-Kissimmee FL 1,933,255 29 San Antonio TX 1,889,797 - 1 team 30 San Jose–Sunnyvale–Santa Clara CA 1,754,988 31 Las Vegas–Paradise NV 1,710,551 32 Columbus OH 1,708,625 33 Virginia Beach–Norfolk–Newport News VA–NC 1,647,346 34 Indianapolis–Carmel IN 1,640,591 - 2 teams 35 Providence–New Bedford–Fall River RI–MA 1,622,520 36 Charlotte–Gastonia–Concord NC–SC 1,521,278 - 2 teams 37 Milwaukee–Waukesha–West Allis WI 1,512,855 - 2 teams 38 Austin–Round Rock TX 1,452,529 39 Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro TN 1,422,544 - 2 teams 40 New Orleans–Metairie–Kenner LA 1,319,367 - 2 teams 41 Memphis TN–MS–AR 1,260,950 42 Jacksonville FL 1,248,371 43 Louisville–Jefferson County KY–IN 1,208,452 44 Hartford–West Hartford–East Hartford CT 1,188,241 45 Richmond VA 1,175,654 46 Oklahoma City OK 1,156,812 47 Buffalo–Niagara Falls NY 1,147,711 - 2 teams 48 Birmingham–Hoover AL 1,090,126 49 Rochester NY 1,039,028 50 Salt Lake City UT 1,034,484 So, as you can see, there are 6 cities SMALLER than SA that have multiple franchises:Buffalo, New Orleans, Nashville, Charlotte, Milwaukee, and Indianapolis. Plus another 6 cities, that are SLIGHTLY larger in terms of population that have mulitple franchises. That's 12 cities that are smaller or nearly the same size that have more than one team. And, that's not even taking into account Austin, the #38 metro area just an hour away. For example, West Palm Beach is considered part of Miami's metro, even though it is the same distance from Miami as Austin is to San Antonio. There are other examples. If you combine the metro populations like ther cities do (DFW, WPB/Miami, etc), you have a top 15 metro area with over 3.3 million people. And SA is the gateway for all of South Texas down to the RGV. I don't there is ANY question, looking at the statistics, that SA can support one if not 2 more franchises. |
SA can support football no problem. 8 games out of the year is doable in a football crazy state.Still think it'll be Cowboy country, though. I have a hard time seeing SA supporting Major League Baseball. That league caters to large market or historic teams.
Tampa- Devil Rays were threatened to be contracted. Bucs are good though. Pittsburgh- historic city that was once large yet they are on the verge of losing it's NHL franchise. Denver- the only major city within a 600 mile radius. Nothing even remotely close to challenge it. That's why they have all four major sports. Cleveland- see Pittsburgh KC- this is not a good argument for people to bring up. the Royals could easily move to another city because the attendance is horrible. Charlotte fits the discription of SA. |
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About the Alamodome....it was made very clear along time ago that the dome would be a temporary solution until a new stadium deal was put on the table. You know this man, so stop using the Alamodome as a scapegoat for another crappy reason why SA shouldn't have a football team. Your responses are convincing enough to prove that you know what you're talking about, so why play dumb? I still don't see why you think local SA powerhouses wouldn't want to be associated with a pro football team? Why would it be a concern? When 65000-70000 San Antonians are showing up 8 times a year to support a local team, why wouldn't they want to be associated with that? HEB would be all over it like they were for the Saints (Sponsered the tailgating), USAA would purchase a suite to raffle off to employees like they do for the Spurs games, and probably one more for the CEO. Valero much the same I'm sure. 2 owners boxes. We could go on and on with this but I'm not sure you even beileve me. Well, I respect your opinion but should SA recieve a team, I hope you purchase tix early, because they won't last. |
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I think those that were serious about supporting a team bought their tickets. That's why the first 2 games sold well. I think the buyout-sellout of the third game sends out mixed signals. There is no doubt in Green Bay where they have a waiting list of over 10,000 for season tickets and a crappy team. Quote:
The other mention of the dome was the campaign that if a stadium was built the city would get a team. That obviously didn't happen. Hopefully the leagues will be up-front about the city's realistic chances of getting a team. Quote:
San Antonio has 5 Fortune 500 companies; 4 in the top 252 thanks to the big profits from refiners (Valero, at&t, Tesoro, USAA) with Clear Channel being the other F500. After that there is only 1 more (Rush Ent.) in the top 1000. http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortu...une500/cities/ San Antonio also has a fairly low median income like New Orleans http://www.efanniemae.com/sf/refmaterials/hudmedinc/ How is it that SA does not have a team now? It all comes down to economics. Has the climate changed enough to make the city attractive today? That remains to be seen. |
The Alamodome would only be a temporary solution in luring a team here. Remember, the city was willing to fork over at least 200 million to lure the Marlins here, with a new stadium. If a team were to seriously look into SA, you can bet Hardberger and Wolff would put up at least 250-300 million to upgrade the alamodome to NFL stadards by adding a whole bunch of suites, or as a downpayment on a new stadium. The current city leadership would do whatever it took to land a team, including forking over big money. After Hardberger leaves office, that might change though. Oh, and by the way, the Alamodome is adding some more suites. That was part of the deal when garza tried bringing in MLS soccer. The city said no to MLS when hardberger took over, but decided to add suites anyway. I don't know how many though, I think it was in the neighborhood of an additional 12-18 suites.
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At this point, I feel that there is nothing more the city of San Antonio can do other than sit back and wait to see if any paticular league (MLB, NFL) comes forward. Until then, we'll keep growing. |
Austin and San Antonio are much more connected than they'd probably each care to admit. Maybe not the two cities themselves, but our suburbs are rubbing elbows with each other, and because of that so are the cities of San Antonio and Austin. We have friends in New Braunfels who used to live in Austin. He had a landscape business in Austin and she worked in San Antonio at AT&T. She commuted to work. They finally moved down to New Braunfels to make the commute easier and he still has his landscape business. I believe he does business in both cities and all the suburbs.
On open space, there is some between Austin and San Antonio, and I mean some, it's quickly going away. San Antonio's suburbs of Selma, Live Oak and others are filling in and Austin's suburbs of Kyle and Buda are growing a bunch, too. |
Don't forget, New Braunfels is considered a suburb of SA, San Marcos of Austin, and they are only about 10 minutes apart, with little land in between them.
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There are few cities with more than five F500 companies. They are listed below.
New York New York 44 Houston Texas 23 Atlanta Georgia 14 Dallas Texas 11 Chicago Illinois 10 Charlotte North Carolina 7 Cincinnati Ohio 7 Minneapolis Minnesota 7 Philadelphia Pennsylvania 7 Richmond Virginia 7 St. Louis Missouri 7 Milwaukee Wisconsin 6 Pittsburgh Pennsylvania 6 San Francisco California 6 Cleveland Ohio 5 Columbus Ohio 5 Denver Colorado 5 Omaha Nebraska 5 San Antonio Texas 5 Seattle Washington 5 |
i work in new braunfels and live in SA, and i see many people move in or out of NB to live near their kids or grandkids who happen to live in austin or san antonio. i am closing on a house on the 12th of next month and they are from richardson (dallas suburb), moving to new braunfels, to be close to their kids; with one in austin, one i NB, and one in san antonio. it really isn't that much of a commute just to come and check out a game one or to nights a week. in fact it would be great to have us all come together in the middle somewhere since everything is booming for every one of these cities between san antonio and austin.
thay need to build a light rail train that coulf take people to and from the games and they can make stops at their cities transit center. each of the transit centers could be perfect for mixed projects like hotels, highend retail, condos, and different services and specalty real estate that would not only help support these little stops but bring in capital from the people visiting these places on their way to work, school, THE GAME, etc.! we need mass transit and that is what the real people (like tagliablue) want to see. it doesn't make sense to have all these stadiums built in locations without the whole picture being looked at from a not just now perspective, but a perspective that can see what is best for our furure. amen |
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The site actually lists the F1000 by state. Also, it only lists by city proper. So include the metro area to get a better idea of comparative cities. For example the Charlotte area has 13 and the Nashville area has 12 in the F1000. San Antonio's outlying communities are fairly small as suburban communities are many times annexed by the city. SA has 6 in F1000 (adding Rush Ent from New Braunfels). The F500/1000 list is a good resource to get some insight as to what other city's economies are like and what areas like Nashville, Charlotte, Tampa and Jacksonville have to offer (most recent new cities to get teams). |
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