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ardecila Mar 23, 2012 6:18 AM

Well, Fairbanks is being widened between Erie and Ontario. My suspicion is that CDOT wants to eventually turn Fairbanks into a 4-lane street all the way up to Chicago. I don't know if this is an active plan, or just some artifact buried in some arcane old Streeterville planning document.

I'd actually be fine with that, if they matched it with a corresponding road diet between Grand and the river, and stoplights at every block.

the urban politician Mar 23, 2012 3:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 5629481)
^^Damn I wish I lived in Chi town...

So do I, living 65 miles away and being able to visit frequently doesn't cut it.

Racine is so goddamn boring.

Getting back on topic, this is great to hear that they are about to sign a hotel operator and start construction this year!

I don't get it, what's up with Streeterville being such a hotbed of construction these days? People want to live/be there so badly these days, but I don't get the attraction. Most of the action (restaurants, shops, nightlife, mass transit) is west of Michigan Avenue, whereas Streeterville still seems like of sleepy, in a skyscraper canyon sort of way.

Swicago Swi Sox Mar 23, 2012 6:32 PM

Being on the other side of Michigan Avenue can do wonders for traffic and access to the lake. Also, the bars and restaurants on the west side of Michigan avenue are a short walk away, as is the CBD. Some people don't want to live right above the bar or restaurant they are want to frequent.

I do agree though, that the neighborhood could use some more street level charm...

ChiPhi Mar 23, 2012 8:10 PM

Some info on this from Curbed. It looks like they are really going through with this and hope to begin decontamination in June and have it u/c by Fall. I'll be happy if that happens, but we'll see.

Also, the height appears to only be 590' (sad face), meaning it has shrunk monumentally (almost 100').

Swicago Swi Sox Mar 23, 2012 8:41 PM

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Also, the height appears to only be 590' (sad face), meaning it has shrunk monumentally (almost 100').
See my picture a few post back. It only shrunk 35', which while still disappointing, not as bad...

ChiPhi Mar 26, 2012 4:22 AM

Just realized today that all parking for this structure is underground. It's kind of a waste with that massive and oppressive stone podium. But there are only 230 parking spaces for about 400 apartments and 400 hotel rooms.

From the Curbed article I cited earlier.

Swicago Swi Sox Mar 26, 2012 3:01 PM

The parking situation was brought up at the meeting as well. I guess most of the 240 parking spaces will be for the apartments while the hotel will use a valet system, story the cars at one of the many under street surface lots in the area. The developer said that the under street parking in that area is pretty under utilized (something like 30 or 40%, although I don't know when they measure that utilization).

I actually think the podium is not very oppressive. The North end is only as high as is allowed by the view corridor. They said at the meeting that is was about 30' high, but it looks much high in the rendering. Maybe it is 30' at the highest point of the street as it slopes up. If there were not the height restriction, plus more parking crammed in, the podium could have been 8 or 9 stories tall like other SCB projects, and then would have been more oppressive in my opinion. On the south side will be a public restaurant with roof top dining. They said they aim to make it more of a neighborhood restaurant and less of a hotel restaurant. That is good in theory at least. Plus both of the sides of podium have nice expanses of glass on their Park Street side, which is much different that the Sheraton next door which is pretty much a fortress from the North Water Street side.

Granted that the New Street side is pretty much a shear wall of stone and glass, but that street is kind of a lost cause.

FlashingLights Apr 5, 2012 5:06 AM

Not sure on my opinion of this one yet.

Swicago Swi Sox May 1, 2012 3:40 PM

Upcoming SOAR Meeting
 
FYI, some of you may be interested that there will be another SOAR meeting next week (Tuesday May 8) to see the "Revised" 435 N Park Drive development. The letter from Alderman Reilly is below.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-K...N%2520Park.PNG

the urban politician May 9, 2012 9:57 PM

I'm surprised nobody updated this thread with the results of the meeting with SOAR.

As posted in Curbed, FINANCING IS IN PLACE! :banana:

Streeterville is on fire, baby

Hydrogen, besides the picture at Curbed, did you get any other updated renderings? Also, one unanswered question: are they planning any upgrades to that clock plaza across the street?

untitledreality May 9, 2012 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by the urban politician (Post 5695710)
As posted in Curbed, FINANCING IS IN PLACE! :banana:

Streeterville is on fire, baby

..and that they expect to start excavation this June! ...and it still has an awesome 798:230 unit to parking ratio!!!

BraveNewWorld May 9, 2012 10:21 PM

Yeah, will this be Chicago first 200m building since Legacy ? :banana:

the urban politician May 9, 2012 10:24 PM

My problem with this development is that with this and the Sheraton next door, this little corner will remain pedestrian unfriendly. It's mostly just hotels and taxicabs shuttling people to other areas.

It would nice to see some street level retail pop up. Instead, you have 2 hotels next to eachother that have sequestered entrances from the sidewalk, rather Las Vegas style

ardecila May 9, 2012 10:59 PM

The corner of Park and North Water will have a restaurant that will hold the corner.

Getting the architects to modify the design might be a stretch, but the city/Reilly could push for a sidewalk cafe at the corner. It could take over the parking lane.

http://www.architizer.com/blog/wp-co...-1-600x369.jpg

i_am_hydrogen May 9, 2012 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the urban politician (Post 5695710)
I'm surprised nobody updated this thread with the results of the meeting with SOAR.

As posted in Curbed, FINANCING IS IN PLACE! :banana:

Streeterville is on fire, baby

Hydrogen, besides the picture at Curbed, did you get any other updated renderings? Also, one unanswered question: are they planning any upgrades to that clock plaza across the street?

No additional renderings were provided.

As for Ogden Plaza, if my memory serves me correctly, Reilly mentioned that it's involved in litigation, so immediate improvements aren't possible. But they eventually plan on addressing it, particularly because it's right across from the entrance to the hotel.

the urban politician May 10, 2012 4:00 AM

So very shortly, Chicago will have not only a new construction start, but probably its tallest construction start in quite a while

i_am_hydrogen May 12, 2012 3:49 AM

One thing I admire about Leahy (the architect from SCB) is that he's a Jane Jacobs-dedicatee. He understands the importance of having people occupy the street, whether it be employees of the hotel on New Street or hotel guests on Park Drive. He has repeatedly alluded to the need for foot traffic around the building as a means of encouraging safety.

ChiPhi May 12, 2012 4:36 AM

It never ceases to amaze me how some developments just "work" while other great projects languish. We only heard about this a few months ago and its already got financing and a plan for construction to start. The developers must be really good at their job.

jcchii May 12, 2012 5:13 PM

this is all about location. great spot.

hard to believe there isn't something there already.
Could use nice restaurant space.

I will shortly be able to see this and optima both from work

Chicago Shawn May 12, 2012 7:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jcchii (Post 5698996)
this is all about location. great spot.

hard to believe there isn't something there already.
Could use nice restaurant space.

I will shortly be able to see this and optima both from work

Well, we dodged a bullet on this site in the past. It was supposed to be an Adam's Mark Hotel, which I'm told was going to be a really fugley POS.

I spoke with developer after the meeting and he is still looking to make some more changes to the design including the possible use of a stone veneer on the base. He would also like to go taller, but the economics just aren't there at the moment.


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