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KevinFromTexas Mar 1, 2010 9:45 PM

Fixed the link and added a paragraph from that article.

I'm sure this won't get screwed up. I'm sure the city wouldn't let that happen. The biggest threat to the project is financing. 2.6 million square feet of space, to put that into perspective, it would be like building 5 Frost Bank Towers.

wwmiv Mar 1, 2010 10:08 PM

Sorry. I was in a rush earlier. I know that I typically don't do all of that fancy stuff anyway, but I'll do it hence forth.

migol24 Mar 11, 2010 7:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Myomi (Post 4708228)
You can say what you want about the design of the buildings and their artistic merits, but you can't make up stuff about one plan being denser than the other.

Trammell Crow's proposal comes in at more than 600,000 sq. ft. of additional development than Stratus. To put that into perspective, that's more than if you added the Frost Bank Building to the Stratus proposal. There are also over 1200 additional parking spaces. Those extra spaces are necessary to support all the additional people that will living and working downtown in this plan. Trammell Crow provides 400,000 additional square feet of office space, as well as 200,000 square feet of hotel space (something that is always in demand in Austin).

The only category that Stratus's beats Trammell Crow's proposal in is retail space. And the large majority of that was for the HEB. In terms of small shops and other pedestrian oriented retail spaces, they were equal (if not a slight edge for Trammell Crow). And as someone who lives on the east side of downtown, far far away from Whole Foods, I would actually prefer any HEB downtown to be further east, closer to all the residential near I-35. Maybe in a project near Rainey Street (fingers crossed). At the very least, that would spread the grocery stores around downtown, as opposed to having all of them
within blocks of each other.

Looking over all the proposals, the Stratus plan was actually the 4th densest of the plans. I am not entirely sold on the Trammell Crow plan's aesthetics, but I am really looking forward to the amount of actual space that it will be bringing to downtown. And it will be a lot of fun watching all those buildings go up!

well it's like i said somewhere in my other posts... i'm simply judging by the renderings. the renderings can obviously change... but there is though as you say, more parking space for people that "live and work" around the area. of course it's always a good thing... me personally i'm just not a big fan of it. and that was basically what i was focusing on, based on the renderings it simply less dense than the stratus renderings. at least all the parking space makes it seem like it. i don't know... i'm not an architect or anything but i'm basically judging based on what i see. i'm not such a big fan of the renderings of the trammel crowe... but like i said, it can always change. i really hope it does. their renderings were boooooooring. but i agree i still can't wait for this project to go up and see these buildings get built, ironically. :) i'm also glad to hear that there is more retail in the trammel. hopefully 2nd st will be all the fuss people seem to make it. i hear people come from out of town visit 2nd st because they were told it's a great spot to "shop" and when they come up to me at work they always ask where the shops are. i shrug my shoulders and say... go to south congress! :) too bad i won't be here though to see this place blow up!

wwmiv Oct 6, 2010 7:41 PM

http://austin.bizjournals.com/austin...4/daily48.html

KevinFromTexas May 27, 2011 6:51 PM

It looks like they just approved a contract with a construction company to move the Austin Energy Center site. The contract is for the construction of a new site in East Austin. The old (current site) in downtown is slated for two towers, one will likely be at least 500 feet tall.

http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/ne...oks-large.html
Quote:

Austin City Council OKs large contracts: May 27

Austin Business Journal
Date: Friday, May 27, 2011, 10:15am CDT

Austin-based DPR Construction Inc. won a contract for up to $61.9 million for an energy system control center project. The city is relocating the center from West Avenue to a 2500 Montopolis Drive building that will be expanded to 174,000 square feet.

KevinFromTexas Mar 24, 2012 8:55 PM

Quote:

Developers lay out $500 million vision for old water treatment site

By Shonda Novak

AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
Updated: 10:37 p.m. Thursday, March 22, 2012
Published: 10:28 p.m. Thursday, March 22, 2012

Where the Green Water Treatment Plant once sat downtown, imagine a pair of high-rise apartment complexes, an office tower, a hotel and lots of retail space.

Trammell Crow envisions 1.75 million square feet of development in all. The 826 apartments would be spread out in two towers, each at least 30 stories tall. The 17-story hotel would have about 200 rooms, while the 28-story office tower would have 456,000 square feet of space. The four buildings combined would have 82,000 square feet of retail space, including about 50,000 square feet along Second Street. The project would have about 2,700 parking spaces, including at least 250 available for public use.
Rendering from the article:

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/b...ntexs/crap.jpg
Gensler Architects

Tex17 Mar 29, 2012 6:38 PM

Well that's different. Where's the office tower? I'm assuming the twin buildings are the residential towers and the shorter one is the hotel...

The ATX Mar 29, 2012 7:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tex17 (Post 5646200)
Well that's different. Where's the office tower? I'm assuming the twin buildings are the residential towers and the shorter one is the hotel...

It's more like triplets. The third tower looks to behind and between the two buildings in the rendering. It would be more visible if the view was straight in front of the buildings instead of an angle.

KevinFromTexas May 24, 2012 6:22 PM

The article includes a nice aerial photo and map showing the site in relation to downtown.

http://www.statesman.com/news/local/...r-2372704.html
Quote:

Austin weighing changed deal to develop downtown water plant site

By Sarah Coppola

AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
Updated: 10:43 p.m. Wednesday, May 23, 2012
Published: 10:37 p.m. Wednesday, May 23, 2012

One of the biggest downtown Austin developments ever would take shape on a valuable city-owned block over the next several years under a deal the City Council will consider today.

The council will decide whether to sell the former home of the dismantled Green Water Treatment Plant to Trammell Crow Co. for $42.4 million to turn into a $500 million mix of stores, restaurants, offices and housing.

It has said it plans to build 1.75 million square feet, including two towers, each at least 30 stories tall, with 826 apartments; a 17-story hotel; a 28-story office tower; and 82,000 square feet of retail.

Nearly 1,900 people will work at the development when it's complete, and 1,200 will live there, according to city memos. Trammell Crow has offered other public benefits, including money for public art, on-site music programs, and discounted office space for nonprofits.

plinko May 24, 2012 6:27 PM

Is it me or is something way wrong with the scale of that rendering vs. the other existing buildings? If these are 30 stories and residential, why do they look nearly 600ft tall?

BevoLJ May 24, 2012 6:36 PM

In which rendering? In the article it only shows the empty field they will be built in. All the buildings in the picture are already built.

KevinFromTexas May 24, 2012 6:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plinko (Post 5711766)
Is it me or is something way wrong with the scale of that rendering vs. the other existing buildings? If these are 30 stories and residential, why do they look nearly 600ft tall?

I'd estimate the buildings are around 575 feet tall. 360 Condos, the tower to the left and back, is 563 feet to the spire.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BevoLJ (Post 5711779)
In which rendering? In the article it only shows the empty field they will be built in. All the buildings in the picture are already built.

He's talking about the night rendering that's posted a few posts up.

BevoLJ May 24, 2012 6:47 PM

Oh, ok. Ya. that looks confusing.

plinko May 24, 2012 6:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas (Post 5711786)
I'd estimate the buildings are around 575 feet tall. 360 Condos, the tower to the left and back, is 563 feet to the spire.



He's talking about the night rendering that's posted a few posts up.

Understood, and maybe it's just the angle of the rendering vs. the angle of the photo they used as a backdrop. It just looks really off to me, like the towers are scaled about 125% of what they should be.

Thanks Kevin.

KevinFromTexas May 24, 2012 7:01 PM

I admit, it does look strange. That condo tower with the spire (360), has 44 floors. Only the Austonian to the right has more. Even the W Hotel & Residences has 36 floors, and it's 476 feet to the roof. You can see it in the rendering to the right of those towers (dark rectangular tower). But if you look, the main roofs of these new towers look to be about the same as the roof of the W, plus some kind of mechanical penthouse that looks to be about 90 to 100 feet tall. For comparison, the crown on Frost Bank Tower is 100 feet tall and the mechanical penthouse/crown on The Austonian is 61 feet tall.

KevinFromTexas Jun 12, 2012 6:12 AM

http://www.statesman.com/business/re...inglePage=true
Quote:

Downtown's skyline poised for a remake

By Shonda Novak

Updated: 12:07 a.m. Tuesday, June 12, 2012
Published: 10:45 p.m. Monday, June 11, 2012

Green Water Treatment Plant redevelopment

Developer: Team led by Trammell Crow Co.

Location: West Cesar Chavez Street

Stories: Two towers, each at least 30 stories tall, plus a 17-story hotel and a 28-story office tower

Capacity: 826 apartments and 82,000 square feet of retail; 1.75 million square feet of development in all

Projected start: Early 2013

Cost: $500 million

KevinFromTexas Jun 12, 2012 8:22 PM

View From Southwest
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/Image1-4.jpg
Trammel Crow | Gensler - http://www.loopnet.com/Attachments/8...4E75FA53F3.pdf

View East Down Cesar Chavez
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/Image6-5.jpg
Trammel Crow | Gensler - http://www.loopnet.com/Attachments/8...4E75FA53F3.pdf

View East Down 2nd Street
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/Image7-4.jpg
Trammel Crow | Gensler - http://www.loopnet.com/Attachments/8...4E75FA53F3.pdf

View West Down 2nd Street
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/Image9-3.jpg
Trammel Crow | Gensler - http://www.loopnet.com/Attachments/8...4E75FA53F3.pdf

Plaza View From Hotel
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/Image8-3.jpg
Trammel Crow | Gensler - http://www.loopnet.com/Attachments/8...4E75FA53F3.pdf

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2.../Image10-2.jpg
Trammel Crow | Gensler - http://www.loopnet.com/Attachments/8...4E75FA53F3.pdf

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2.../Image11-1.jpg
Trammel Crow | Gensler - http://www.loopnet.com/Attachments/8...4E75FA53F3.pdf

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2.../Image13-1.jpg
Trammel Crow | Gensler - http://www.loopnet.com/Attachments/8...4E75FA53F3.pdf

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2.../Image12-1.jpg
Trammel Crow | Gensler - http://www.loopnet.com/Attachments/8...4E75FA53F3.pdf

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/Image5-4.jpg
Trammel Crow | Gensler - http://www.loopnet.com/Attachments/8...4E75FA53F3.pdf

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/Image2-4.jpg
Trammel Crow | Gensler - http://www.loopnet.com/Attachments/8...4E75FA53F3.pdf

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/Image3-5.jpg
Trammel Crow | Gensler - http://www.loopnet.com/Attachments/8...4E75FA53F3.pdf

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/Image4-4.jpg
Trammel Crow | Gensler - http://www.loopnet.com/Attachments/8...4E75FA53F3.pdf

KevinFromTexas Jun 13, 2012 3:30 AM

I found these images that show another proposal for the site.

http://bcarc.com/Project/green-water-redevelopment

plinko Jun 13, 2012 3:37 AM

^I knew there was something wrong with that skyline rendering. 388ft?

NYC2ATX Jun 13, 2012 3:47 AM

:omg: I JUST F**KING DIED. :worship::worship::worship::worship::worship:


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