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I think the most important thing is for what is best for the city's culture and living environment. Not just one's feelings, emotions or memories. It sucks seeing Hutz go out like it did. It sucked hearing about La Mexicana closing shop as well. But those places closing up are not important for the culture or environment of the city the way a light rail would be important for the city, or the way that the 4th street gay district is also important for the city's culture. I've never been to CI, but from what is being described here, I can completely understand. I've also never been to Broken Spoke but I sure as hell would understand if that were getting leveled by some generic condos where another Lavaca St Bar, or Kung Fu Saloon would replace it. |
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Part of seeing the bigger picture though, is recognizing that one cannot expect others to roll over 'for the greater good' and then scream bloody murder when their favorite place is facing the wrecking ball. Calling someone a NIMBY is fully justified when someone takes the attitude of 'what's mine is mine and what's yours is negotiable.' When someone acts like that, then the reaction is predictably the opposite. There has to be empathy, negotiation, compromise, and civility in civilization. I'm going to miss Dirty's just as much or more than someone is going to miss Huts, or Common Interest, or Iron Bear. But Dirty's can move, Huts can become Sammies and the Iron Bear can move to some place even better. Same, but different, but still same. |
The 2 small buildings that were once Maund Imports, at the SE corner of the intersection of St Joseph Blvd(Northcross Dr) and Burnet, just down the road from Top Notch, have been demo'd. I am not finding anything online about what the future plans are for the property though.
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I encourage new members on here to keep an open mind on these things too. |
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https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...&postcount=198 based on the ownership in TCAD, it seems to somehow relate to the VMU across the street at 7600 Burnet (chase building). |
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edit: dammit I always quick post and unfinished. I meant other users, Maximus. Noted for all tho. |
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The Dirty Martin's building can be moved. Buildings much larger have been moved before.
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Some good discussions.The point I agree with the most is that we , as a city , have to be hyper critical of what we are giving up for what we are getting. 'cause we just don't have that much more to give up before there is little heart left.
I will say I also wish these conversations could happen without calling people NIMBYs It's a bullying technique meant to shut down by shaming. Not useful. I've never been to Dirtys' or CI ( I'm kinda embarrassed to say) . BUT what I know is that the idea of "they can move" is not reasonable. And move where? These local businesses can't afford , nor would they be as interesting in, generic vertical Strip malls. Thats all we're getting. Quick infill with little interest. I encourage people to let the long run out value the short. Wait for the quality over quantity. |
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The built environment > The retailers occupying a certain space. Every time. Every situation. YIMBYs know there will be sacrifices they have to make. It's not pain-free. We have to have a long view of this city so it develops into something amazing that benefits everyone, not just favoring short-term benefits because they benefit you personally. Not having ground-floor retail is a fair criticism. Not giving ground-floor retail to a certain retailer is not. Retailers can move around and find new buildings. It happens all the time. It's supposed to happen. (I have been to Common Interest, by the way.) |
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I think "don't want another Crestview Commons dead zone" is a solid criticism. This project replacing retail should have ground floor retail. What I don't agree with is "OMG IT'S JUST ORANGE THEORY AND CHIPOTLE". That part is a temporary problem that go away in time as this complex moves on from being the new and shiny place to the place with some character and rough edges. |
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But just so we're clear, my being ok with Dirty's getting the wrecking ball, or Spiderhouse, or the Dobie Theater getting the wrecking ball are part of this 'negotiation'. Those are places that I would visit on a regular basis and places that I also have very fond memories that many folks will never understand what made them special. Those we're "my places". Even places like Vulcan and I Luv Video, (but those had more to do with streaming services taking over.) It's not that we are picking and choosing based on our own particular interests. For example, I've never been to Common Interests and I've only been to OCH like once, but I know fully well that just bulldozing all these places that so many frequently visit are basically abusing this 'negotiation'. From my understand, this development has only benefited the folks and national franchises who can afford it. This is also an abuse of that negotiation. Cities should be built to give everyone opportunities to succeed. I think everyone is asking for some sense of reason without kicking Austin's authenticity entirely to the curb. I don't think that's an unreasonable part of this negotiation. |
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