Well, working with the information provided in the APTA report.

ETA: Honest question: Why wouldn't those agencies be included in the report?

I'd expect LA to pass Boston for daily light rail ridership when Expo Phase II opens up to Santa Monica.

Los Angeles Metro Rail currently has about 17 miles of light rail extensions under construction, with another 10 to begin in the next year or two. Depending on new funding mechanisms from the federal government and public-private partnerships, there could be quite a bit more underway within the next decade.

Exactly, that's what I was about to answer, Thank you.
That's why I named it Largest Bus Agencies (as in the APTA report) and included the name of the agency, together with the city. But maybe I'd should clarify that when I wrote the post.
Every major metropolitan area has a lot of agencies, I know that. In LA for example, besides LA County MTA and Orange County, included in the list, some cities like Santa Monica, Long Beach or Culver City and I guess some others that I don't know of, have their our agencies complementing the bigger ones. Also Riverside and San Bernardino counties have their own, separate, agencies.
In the New York area, Besides MTA and NJTransit, there are also agencies in Westchester and Nassau counties, with about 100000 daily riders each. Suffolk county also has its own, much smaller, and the City of Long Beach (NY) has one aswell (carryng some more of 1000 people) I guess there are a lot more.


I think it is because there are so many agencies in all the US, so I guess, they only include or work with the largest ones. Nonetheless some smaller agencies of the metro areas are included.
Anyway, I think the agencies included in the list, being the main ones, share a vast majority of the bus trips generated in those cities/Metro areas, and represent well the size of the market.

Theres over 60 agencies here in the NYC-NJ-NY-CT-NEPA.....most are small , but they add up to about 500-800,000 i haven't added all of them.

Average weekday transit ridership in the Bay Area is roughly 1,583,920, not including about a dozen smaller agencies that aren't listed in APTA (one purportedly carries 30,000 on weekdays but I can't find a good source so I'm not including it). All in all, I'd say this figure is within about 100k-150k of the real total.

I averaged AC Transit (see bus agency list above) to 175,000 weekday riders, and included San Mateo County Transit (SAMTRANS), which isn't listed on APTA but reports 51,320 average weekday riders in its 2012 annual report. I can't get a recent stat for Altamont Commuter Express, but wikipedia had it at 3,700 weekday riders as of 2008; I'm rounding it up to 4,000 since media reports just this month are touting its rapid growth.

I've asked that of the APTA, and the simple answer they gave me back was that some agencies simply don't report their numbers. For instance, I was told that Detroit's suburban SMART feeder system doesn't report. Not that it'd make the list of the largest agencies, anyway, but DDOT (the system that only covers the 700,000 people in the city proper) numbers don't accurately reflect the amount of people on mass transit even within the immediate city and inner-ring. SMART isn't some far-flung system with little or not connection to DDOT, or some random dial-a-ride. It basically functions as DDOT's commuter/limited routes.

Still, both systems have had so much capacity cut, which has cratered ridership, that it's almost embarrassing to even mention adding SMART to DDOT, because it doesn't change the numbers that much.

The cost of TTC monthly and weekly passes are 66% higher than STM's. I think that is the difference.

TTC monthly pass: $128.50
STM monthly pass: $77.00

TTC weekly pass: $38.50 (!)
STM weekly pass: $23.50

The TTC hates it when people use transit too much. It's sad, but true.

From the Q4 2012 report, metro Toronto-area agency boardings (000s):

TTC: 2,764.3
GO: 244.9
York: 81.1
Brampton: 66.5

Total of these four agencies: 3,155.8


They don't include MiWay (Mississauga), which alone has 170,000+ boardings per weekday, Oakville, Burlington, Milton, or Durham transit systems. If you added all those systems in, the GTA probably has about 3.6 million boardings per weekday, WELL over 1 boarding per 2 GTA residents.

The numbers for York and Brampton aren't boardings, they are revenue ridership.

Even though it experienced a strike, York Region Transit had an average of 107.3k boardings per weekday in 2011. The numbers for 2012 are surely higher than that.

As I was saying, some of the Canadian numbers in that report are incorrect.

STM numbers have never made sense in the past. They always seemed too high. Given the capacity of their subway fleet was only about 60-75% (same length, narrow, less trains) of Toronto, and their trains are less frequent, how could they be moving similar numbers of people?

I don't think Montreal's numbers are linked now. Compare to their own reporting. I think their previous reporting was just plain wrong. If you look at the Q1 reporting for this year, it's been fixed for a while, with no sigh of reduction in ridership.

And two more lines opening this year. Probably the last light-rail lines in a while for Utah. Streetcars are the new focus.

Why no new Light Rail lines , I could see a few more in SLC running down the boulevards or wide streets.

http://greenlineextension.eot.state.ma.us/

It's planned as a phased delivery.

As of last fall, the first three new stations are currently scheduled to be in service in 2017, with the remaining 4 following approximately 2 years later in 2019. They project 49,000 new daily riders by 2030, with a strong majority of those riders showing up from the initial openings.

Wow, that would put the expected completion date right in line with that of the Regional Connector, which we expect to be done by 2018-2020. Could be pretty interesting to see how this will affect total LRT ridership.

One thing that distinguish SLC is that is one of the cities that are putting more effort in building TOD's along the rail stations. Even if they don't build more extensions for a while, the ridership should continue to increase, as new developments opens. I think they are building thousands of new apartments along the lines.


An example is Daybreak. The first developments, built before they opened the Red line extension and with more suburban character, may not be much related to the rail line. But the most recent and future developments, more urban in character and nearer to the stations, will be clearly more influenced by the convenience of this system. In a few years, we can expect that the area near the two stations of Daybreak will be completely filled and adding patrons to the system.

They are building TOD's in many other places as well, like along the airport line, Murray, among others, that together will add thousand of apartments, together with office and commercial space.

It is not my hometown, don't even been there. I just find interesting the TOD politic of SLC, I think there is nothing similar in all the US. But I guess you are right, too many pictures and maybe not the right thread. I will erase them, and just add the link to the SLC transportation thread in case somebody is interested in seeing all the TOD's. being bult there.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...150074&page=23

Guys, this is not an appropriate place to post a lot of big photographs of your hometown.

more general cleveland info:


final ridership numbers for 2012:

Red Line - Up 9.72%, 6,239,900 total ridership.
Blue/Green Line - Up 4.05%, 2,855,800 total ridership.
Systemwide - Up 4.23%, 48,152,700 total ridership.
^Note the systemwide total is still down 17% from 2008.

also note:
approx 1 out of every 5 transit trips in Cleveland is a rail trip.
GCRTA has only 37 miles of rail vs 1,600 miles of bus routes.

They already published the 1st quarter of 2013 report.

For Heavy rail
The biggest gainer is Miami, with 10.42% over the same period of 2012.
The biggest looser is NY-NJ Path, with a decrease of 14.14% (is it still affected by Sandy damage?)

For Light Rail
The biggest gainer is Los Angeles with 17.88% not surprising, since they opened Expo Line last year.
Contrasting with its northern neighbor, the bigger looser is San Diego, a decrease of 15%, why would be that?

For Commuter rail
The biggest gainer, with the southern expansion to Drapper, is Salt Lake City, that gets a whopping 115.36% increase .With 13 thousand daily riders, jumps to the 9th place, surpassing Seattle.
Another big gainer is Austin, with 93.96% It is a smaller system, but it goes from 43K in january, 51K in february to 116K in march.
In the same state, Dallas-Forth Worth has the biggest lose -12.09%

Checking news reports, PATH did not return to a nominal full service until late February. PATH and the NYC subway are facing years of repair, replacement, tunnel rebuilds, and flood presentation work that are likely to hold down ridership levels from what they would have been w/o Sandy.

WMATA DC Metro ridership was down -5.88% for the 1st quarter. The effects of the aggressive weekend and overnight track work program are reducing ridership numbers on weekends. That and the fare increases are causing the overall total ridership numbers to drop. The WMATA April 2013 report showed an increase for the month of April over April 2013, but the peak of the Cherry Blossoms took place around April 9 vice late March in 2012.

The CTA ridership was down -3.38%. Weather related or a real slump in what had been sustained ridership growth?

Edit: One factor in comparing total trips is that 2012 was a leap year with 29 days in February 2012. So the totals are comparing a 1st Qtr of 2013 with 90 days versus 1st Qtr of 2012 with 91 days. If daily ridership stayed exactly the same, that would result in a -1.1% decline in total passenger trips.

I do wish we would hit 116k every month, but sadly this is mostly just due to the fact SXSW is held every March. :(