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Spring2008
Jul 17, 2014, 2:59 PM
Well they've dug a down a few metres across most of the Eastern tower site with the first pile driver now setting up on site.


Courtesy of Surrealplaces in the global section:
Place 10: 524 10th Ave SW, 612,000 Square Feet for both buildings
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3827/9372845051_907f819e14_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/75646235@N06/9372845051/)
Place 10 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/75646235@N06/9372845051/) by Calgary Renders (http://www.flickr.com/people/75646235@N06/), on Flickr

http://www.cbre.ca/o/calgary/Pages/for-lease-office.aspx

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Surrealplaces
Jul 17, 2014, 3:05 PM
I'm thrilled to see this one going ahead. Even though it's only a couple of average 14 storey buildings, this is huge for the development of the core.

H.E.Pennypacker
Jul 17, 2014, 3:11 PM
I'm thrilled to see this one going ahead. Even though it's only a couple of average 14 storey buildings, they are huge for the development of the core.

Agreed! Happy to see that parking lot gone and replaced with a nice development

Glad to hear they're getting the ball rolling on it

Spring2008
Jul 17, 2014, 3:15 PM
I'm thrilled to see this one going ahead. Even though it's only a couple of average 14 storey buildings, they are huge for the development of the core.

Yeah, was happy to see a bunch of work going on and the pile driver there this morning. Biggest gap in the core right now, and the street level treatment is solid.

Spring2008
Jul 17, 2014, 3:17 PM
Centron recently sold Centre10 across the street for ~$750,000psf or $300M total. Cashed in on that one for sure, and both these towers will be larger at 600,000 sf each.

DarthMalgus
Jul 17, 2014, 3:46 PM
So I assume they are proceeding on spec? Big risk with the rising vacancy rates and so many towers u/c right now...

Either way, it's not my money, and will be good to start chipping away at those parking lots around the tracks with development such as this.

horrorshow
Jul 17, 2014, 3:57 PM
These are great IMO. Maybe I am just happy they are replacing parking lots, however, I like the simple design and scale. The streetscape looks nice and I love the patios along 5th and 4th.

I am excited for future development at this scale along 10th ave.

RyLucky
Jul 17, 2014, 5:17 PM
Damn, I like what this'll do for the underpass.

Now to get some Gateway action going on the lot north of this...

Spring2008
Jul 17, 2014, 5:25 PM
So I assume they are proceeding on spec? Big risk with the rising vacancy rates and so many towers u/c right now...

Either way, it's not my money, and will be good to start chipping away at those parking lots around the tracks with development such as this.

This city's an office magnet. Office markets turning up again, and we're pretty much the only city in the country besides TO that can absorb 1M sf of office space per quarter once things get going. Their Centre10 project across the street is 100% occupied. 20+ new office towers last boom, this boom lots more office tower throughout the inner city just to keep up.

Surrealplaces
Jul 17, 2014, 8:25 PM
So I assume they are proceeding on spec? Big risk with the rising vacancy rates and so many towers u/c right now...

Either way, it's not my money, and will be good to start chipping away at those parking lots around the tracks with development such as this.

There hasn't been any announced anchor tenants but there have been rumblings of some tenants who have intent. I wouldn't be surprised if they have someone lined up already.

clubspecial
Jul 18, 2014, 4:49 PM
There hasn't been any announced anchor tenants but there have been rumblings of some tenants who have intent. I wouldn't be surprised if they have someone lined up already.

Growth space for Conoco Phillips?

Spring2008
Jul 19, 2014, 8:28 PM
Surreal's pic prob from thur. When I left frid they were setting it up right at the tower site with piles etc nearby.

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2929/14504876780_0933c1656c_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/o6Khwq)
Place 10 (https://flic.kr/p/o6Khwq) by Construction Mania (https://www.flickr.com/people//), on Flickr

Spring2008
Jul 20, 2014, 5:08 PM
2 pile drivers now:
Seems to be a big hole, but I didn't cross the road to verify
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2920/14509199769_a0ccc90bb2_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/o78rAH)
Place Ten ip1188 (https://flic.kr/p/o78rAH) by ferreth (https://www.flickr.com/people//), on Flickr

Spring2008
Jul 24, 2014, 3:07 PM
Correction - I believe the combined tower sf is 600,000, 300,000 sf for each tower.

Surrealplaces
Jul 24, 2014, 4:31 PM
Good to see two pile drivers on site. We should see some good progress :cheers:

Spring2008
Jul 29, 2014, 2:47 PM
^Very busy site lately; 2 caisson drills, plus concrete trucks, backhoes, excavators etc.

Surrealplaces
Jul 29, 2014, 5:41 PM
^Very busy site lately; 2 caisson drills, plus concrete trucks, backhoes, excavators etc.

Full steam ahead!

mersar
Jul 29, 2014, 6:31 PM
Indeed. We went to Sky360 last night and we could see the drills working away even at 7pm.

Spring2008
Jul 31, 2014, 2:43 PM
Looks like we know of two of the restaurants opening across the street at Centron's other new tower.

Massive Place 10 tower displays Centron's vision


BY DAVID PARKER, CALGARY HERALD JULY 31, 2014 7:14 AM



Centron Group has begun construction of its 620,000-squarefoot Place 10 office/retail complex on the north side of 10th Avenue between 4th and 5th Streets S.W., directly across the street from its Centre 10 building.

Upon completion it will bring Centron's investment on that block to a million square feet.

Attempts had been made by other developers to construct highrise condominium towers on the former Gaslight Square property on the south side of 10th Avenue, but after lengthy due diligence Centron decided a single, mixed-use development was the best way to bring life to the abandoned site.

Norr Architects was hired to design a 10-storey, 355,000-square-foot building that was built with a great deal of confidence on spec. Centron was right. Good judgment and 30 years of experience paid off again. The new, glass-encased office floors are fully leased and La Prep restaurant and Pampa Brazilian Steakhouse will open in the main floor retail.

Place 10 is another spec development that shows Centron's aggressive confidence in this city. It has been designed by Gibbs Gage Architects with two 14-storey towers above four levels of parking providing 456 stalls.

Wayne Benz, president of Centron's construction group, is overseeing the building of the east tower that will rise above the 4th Street subway offering 318,500 square feet of rentable space with typical floor plates of approximately 25,000 square feet.

They provide plenty of daylight and a stunning rooftop terrace adds to the opportunity to enjoy Calgary's sunshine.

Gibbs Gage partner Vince Dods says the overall design is focused on its relationship to downtown, just steps away through the short underpasses to Bankers Hall, The Core and Eight Avenue Place.

Strip vertical lighting to the top of the building alongside staggered vertical elements make a signature entrance to downtown and the stepped back massing of the plaza level that flows down into a new pedestrian element will do much to make the underpass more attractive.

That area, with its floating pavilion roofs, is expected to welcome a classy restaurant, part of the 10,000 square feet of available retail space in the east tower.

Centron president and COO Cole Harris says approvals are in hand to construct a Plus-15 walkway across 4th Street into the city parkade giving covered access through Gulf Canada Square to Stephen Avenue and LRT stations.

Tenants will reach the elevator banks by way of a two-storey high main lobby. Drivers will enter the parkade from 10th Avenue between the towers, an access that's also the driveway to the loading docks, tucked well away from the visible tower of transparent glazing and metal panels.

Place 10 will be ready to accept tenant improvements by the first quarter of 2017 with occupancy scheduled for the fall of that year. Angus Fraser, John Fisher and

Stuart Watson of CBRE are the exclusive realtors for office leasing.

Centron founder, chairman and CEO Bob Harris has built a strong presence in the downtown and beltline office development, but continues to build high-quality projects in suburban Calgary. Construction was recently completed on its four Class A buildings at Blackfoot Point and Centron has under development Fountain Court Business Park, a 90,000-square-foot office complex on the northeast corner of Glenmore and Blackfoot Trails.
http://www.calgaryherald.com/life/fashion-beauty/Massive+Place+tower+displays+Centron+vision/10077712/story.html

Surrealplaces
Jul 31, 2014, 5:20 PM
Nice to see two more restos open up in the Beltline...especially the Brazilian. As long as they provide decent food, they place will do really well.

Spring2008
Jul 31, 2014, 10:18 PM
The south side of 10th av has a surprising amount of quality retail/resto options.

Place10 will add more bays, if only the Marriott hotel and rental towers get going on that side of 10th too.. One of the neighboring gc's should drop off a pile drive at Brad's Lamb site just to mess with him lol.

mersar
Aug 1, 2014, 6:38 PM
Nice to see two more restos open up in the Beltline...especially the Brazilian. As long as they provide decent food, they place will do really well.

I've heard good things about their Edmonton location, so fingers crossed.

Spring2008
Sep 12, 2014, 3:01 PM
Excavation has started on the east tower, drilling continuing at the west tower.

Chadillaccc
Sep 12, 2014, 3:03 PM
The east tower excavation is already a good 10 feet down.

Spring2008
Sep 12, 2014, 3:05 PM
The east tower excavation is already a good 10 feet down.

Oh shit, really? Hard to tell sometimes with the hoarding up.

Chadillaccc
Sep 12, 2014, 3:11 PM
Yeah, if you refer to this photo I took last week, you can see that the truck in the pit is fully below ground level. The boards in the back show where the ground is, and where the bottom of the pit is, so far :)

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3903/15152310016_7dfb478664_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/p5XxSq)
Place 10 (https://flic.kr/p/p5XxSq) by Chadillaccc (https://www.flickr.com/people/66175113@N06/), on Flickr

flipstah
Sep 12, 2014, 3:44 PM
La Prep? Meh.

Spring2008
Sep 12, 2014, 5:20 PM
With Centre10 complete along with the new resto's and retails along the ave, and Mark, 6th and 10th, Place10 towers u/c, if Marriott Res gets going with their two towers our ugliest inner-city stretch may suddenly become one of our nicer Beltline strips.

Surrealplaces
Sep 12, 2014, 5:26 PM
Nice to see this one moving ahead nicely!

Chadillaccc
Sep 12, 2014, 5:26 PM
It's true! And don't forget about WAM and Sutton Place.

10th Ave honestly has the potential to become one of the city's hotspots. It already has a good half dozen popular nightlife spots, a few more couldn't hurt.

MasterG
Sep 12, 2014, 5:40 PM
It's true! And don't forget about WAM and Sutton Place.

10th Ave honestly has the potential to become one of the city's hotspots. It already has a good half dozen popular nightlife spots, a few more couldn't hurt.

Absolutely. And it helps bridge the psychological gap from the CBD to the Beltline a bit further. Something similar happens to the block directly north of Place 10 with good treatment of the underpass for peds and Calgary is close to having it's first quality North-South corridor in the inner city.

It would be a race between 4th & 5th Street and 8th Street on who does it first.

I haven't heard much about the 8th Street improvements of late, when is that project supposed to begin?

*Stardust*
Sep 12, 2014, 5:44 PM
It's true! And don't forget about WAM and Sutton Place.

10th Ave honestly has the potential to become one of the city's hotspots. It already has a good half dozen popular nightlife spots, a few more couldn't hurt.

10th avenue is going to be incredible, but like I've said before, that parkade needs some work. With retail at the main floor and some exterior work to make it visually appealing like colourful lights, or glass like the colours building on first street. That would be perfect for some more bars and Clubs. Right now that side of the street is a dead zone

Design-mind
Sep 14, 2014, 3:35 AM
Here is an overview of the property, I took today.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3914/15230854022_5c7a6f6991_b.jpg

Spring2008
Sep 14, 2014, 3:39 PM
4 drills now, that's a big site.

How many retail bays will there be in Centre10 across the street? I think there's about 20,000 sf of retail space there.

Can see the rooftop patio take shape at National on 10th, they missed the whole summer!

Rodney's should be opening mid Oct now. Longer than anticipated, but then again they completely gutted everything inside as well as lots of changes to the exterior as well. Will be worth the wait.

Bokimon
Sep 14, 2014, 3:50 PM
Cool photo, please provide more pics like this Design Mind as you have an awesome view of the entire site. Maybe once a week progress shot so the rest of us ground living SSPers can see its progress.

I think the east tower has 2 major retail/restaurant spaces and the west tower will also have two as well. They can be divided even more if needed for multiple tenants.

Design-mind
Sep 14, 2014, 4:10 PM
Cool photo, please provide more pics like this Design Mind as you have an awesome view of the entire site. Maybe once a week progress shot so the rest of us ground living SSPers can see its progress.

I think the east tower has 2 major retail/restaurant spaces and the west tower will also have two as well. They can be divided even more if needed for multiple tenants.

Would love to provide that, but it is a rare occasion for me to get this view. I do not have access to this building when I please.

RyLucky
Sep 14, 2014, 5:24 PM
Great view of a great project! I'm really excited for this one, especially the integration with the underpass.

DizzyEdge
Sep 14, 2014, 10:01 PM
Here is an overview of the property, I took today.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3914/15230854022_5c7a6f6991_b.jpg

What's the status of the building across the street, are there tenants in the office or retail spaces yet?

tomthumb2
Sep 14, 2014, 11:01 PM
I wonder if they will ever re-route the trains and get rid of those ugly ass tracks?

RyLucky
Sep 14, 2014, 11:21 PM
I wonder if they will ever re-route the trains and get rid of those ugly ass tracks?

I'm not holding my breath. To be honest, I kind of like the train, but all the underpasses need work. Though, I wouldn't mind a High Line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Line_(New_York_City)) through there!

speedog
Sep 14, 2014, 11:30 PM
I wonder if they will ever re-route the trains and get rid of those ugly ass tracks?
Reroute to where?

bt04ku
Sep 14, 2014, 11:54 PM
I wonder if they will ever re-route the trains and get rid of those ugly ass tracks?

Until we perfect Portal technology I think the train is staying where it is.

Chadillaccc
Sep 15, 2014, 3:30 PM
I think he meant around the city. This isn't feasible though, and any such project would cost billions. Why would CN do this, just to appease one city? What we can hope for eventually is the tracks being decked over, hopefully by a large city park. I would love to see a Chicago-style Millenium Park here in Calgary.

93JC
Sep 15, 2014, 5:30 PM
I think he meant around the city. This isn't feasible though, and any such project would cost billions. Why would CN do this, just to appease one city?

CN? *tsk-tsk*

CP! :P

flipstah
Sep 15, 2014, 10:50 PM
I wonder if they will ever re-route the trains and get rid of those ugly ass tracks?

Uh... The trains were there first. :haha:

DizzyEdge
Sep 15, 2014, 11:25 PM
When an industrial use was 'there first' I think that should preclude demands that they move, but there's nothing wrong with encouraging it :)

Spring2008
Sep 16, 2014, 12:11 AM
What's the status of the building across the street, are there tenants in the office or retail spaces yet?

Office is fully occupied. Confirmed retail tenants so far are a Brazilian steakhouse and La Prep. Centron must have made a killing here. They recently sold this building for almost $300M or $750psf, most triple A in downtown Calgary and TO doesn't even go for that high, though it does look like this building has excess parking for extra revenue stream.

Prob why they're so eager to build both towers going at Place10.

Spring2008
Sep 16, 2014, 12:14 AM
I think he meant around the city. This isn't feasible though, and any such project would cost billions. Why would CN do this, just to appease one city? What we can hope for eventually is the tracks being decked over, hopefully by a large city park. I would love to see a Chicago-style Millenium Park here in Calgary.

Yes, let's do this. Can somebody start a movement on this. Maybe do a split public money, private donations. Each large donor can have their own section of the park named after them.

Either way nice to see more development along the tracks.

Surrealplaces
Sep 16, 2014, 6:24 PM
I wonder if they will ever re-route the trains and get rid of those ugly ass tracks?

I think the tracks will be there long term. I don't actually have any issue with them, but rather an issue with the empty lots along side the tracks, also the state of some of the underpasses. The underpasses are slated to be updated, and many of the empty lots have proposal slated, so things are looking good :)

Jimby
Sep 16, 2014, 6:58 PM
It would be easier to move the city than the tracks! :haha:

DizzyEdge
Sep 16, 2014, 8:11 PM
If only the tracks had been trenched they would have been a non-issue. Not sure if that' feasible after the fact.

ByeByeBaby
Sep 16, 2014, 9:02 PM
If only the tracks had been trenched they would have been a non-issue. Not sure if that' feasible after the fact.

Always with the tracks (not just you; this is a general discussion problem). Assuming that the railroad is to keep continuous operation, what does this tunnel look like? If we don't want the nightmare to end all traffic nightmares and cut downtown off from all access to the south for a period of years, then the tunnel has to be underneath the existing underpasses. The underpasses have 4 metres of clearance below the existing rail, plus there is presumably some sort of structure that would need to be built to hold them up with a rail tunnel underneath, so the roof of the rail tunnel would need to be 6 metres below grade. CPR wants, IIRC, 7 metres of clearance above the rail, plus let's allow a little clearance for fans and what not, so we need the top of the rail to be say 8 metres below the roof of the tunnel; that is, 14 metres below grade. This is a minimum, and assumes that any utilities under the road (and there are manholes in the underpass) have already been relocated; otherwise you would need to go more than 14m deep.

I'm sure that the CPR would adamantly oppose the addition of any grades to it's line, because trains and slopes don't really play well together. But let's assume a grade of 1% is the maximum we can use. (2.2% is the grade through the spiral tunnels by Field, and they use extra locomotives for that). So a 14 m deep tunnel needs a 1400m approach.

The problem is that 4th St E is 670m from the Elbow River, and you can't cross the Elbow with only half of a tunnel. So you actually need to start 1400 m east of the Elbow crossing. By the time you're 1400 m from the Elbow, you're around Blackfoot Trail in the middle of the rail yards. But wait! 750m from the Elbow, there are two big wyes as the lines north to Edmonton and south that eventually run parallel with the LRT join up. So now we're not only rebuilding the entire rail yard in Inglewood (and how does that even work?), we're also building either a crazy funky rail-rail-rail interchange in the process to connect to the N and the S, or we're building another 3 km of tunnels so that the N and S connections are at the appropriate height once they reach the rail crossing level. Oh, and by the way, 12th St SE is closed during this entire project.

Ignoring the fact that we can't make CP do any of this if they don't want to, that it will destroy their rail yards and disrupt their business for years even with the maximum possible mitigation, we're still talking about 12+ km of rail tunnel, with all the ventilation problems associated with taking diesel engines through it. It would probably be more cost effective to spend $40 billion just straight up buying CP than to build and operate this sort of megatunnel.

The most realistic solution is honestly to wait for teleportation or zeppelins or something to make freight rail obsolete.

Spring2008
Sep 16, 2014, 10:36 PM
I think the tracks will be there long term. I don't actually have any issue with them, but rather an issue with the empty lots along side the tracks, also the state of some of the underpasses. The underpasses are slated to be updated, and many of the empty lots have proposal slated, so things are looking good :)

Yeah, exactly. I don't even think the tracks are a big issue. It's those ugly vacant lots and state of some of those underpasses.

evolv
Oct 18, 2014, 2:10 AM
Any updates on this project? How far down are they with excavation?

This is probably the project I am most excited for.

Spring2008
Oct 18, 2014, 2:35 AM
Agree excited for this one as well. East tower is 2 to 3 storeys below grade now, shoring mostly finished for the West tower. Bespoke just opened along 10th, and across the street Rodney's and Pampa should be opening within the next month or so. I've mentioned this before, but the project I really want to see get going ASAP is the Marriott Res hotel plus rental tower.

Surrealplaces
Oct 18, 2014, 6:53 AM
Any updates on this project? How far down are they with excavation?

This is probably the project I am most excited for.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3931/15345221757_f0e3c7f274_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/po1gNV)
Place 10 (https://flic.kr/p/po1gNV) by Construction Mania (https://www.flickr.com/people/95160840@N03/), on Flickr

Surrealplaces
Oct 18, 2014, 6:54 AM
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3945/14911061703_2bf2e6b8c1_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/oHD69K)
Place 10 (https://flic.kr/p/oHD69K) by Construction Mania (https://www.flickr.com/people/95160840@N03/), on Flickr

Spring2008
Nov 19, 2014, 11:08 PM
From DM:

Mine from yesterday.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7491/15639322260_3ac494fdfa_b.jpg

Design-mind
Dec 7, 2014, 2:29 AM
Crane went up at Place 10 today.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7555/15961541751_becaae6bfa_b.jpg

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8645/15776232120_20daea718e_b.jpg

Spring2008
Dec 7, 2014, 5:25 PM
Like this one too. They 're digging the west tower too, so hopefully they both rise at once.

Tropics
Mar 28, 2015, 3:58 PM
Reroute to where?

About 40 feet underground~

Spring2008
Apr 30, 2015, 3:38 AM
There were talks this one might get capped. Looks like they've leased about 125k sf of the east tower, close to 40% of the gross building area so don't see it stopping. If only GWL gets that hotel going across the street.

http://www.altusinsite.com/en/index.php?page=searchengine&attri_40_1641=4230&attri_20_11%5B%5D=920&attri_20_11%5B%5D=921&location=Calgary&format=&contact=&attri_40_1740_1=1&attri_40_1740_2=100%2C000&searchbasicbtn1=Find+Space

RyLucky
Apr 30, 2015, 5:16 AM
There were talks this one might get capped. Looks like they've leased about 125k sf of the east tower, close to 40% of the gross building area so don't see it stopping. If only GWL gets that hotel going across the street.

http://www.altusinsite.com/en/index.php?page=searchengine&attri_40_1641=4230&attri_20_11%5B%5D=920&attri_20_11%5B%5D=921&location=Calgary&format=&contact=&attri_40_1740_1=1&attri_40_1740_2=100%2C000&searchbasicbtn1=Find+Space

I hope it pulls through, but I can see the economic case for capping 1 tower for sure.

*Stardust*
Apr 30, 2015, 7:07 PM
There were talks this one might get capped. Looks like they've leased about 125k sf of the east tower, close to 40% of the gross building area so don't see it stopping. If only GWL gets that hotel going across the street.

http://www.altusinsite.com/en/index.php?page=searchengine&attri_40_1641=4230&attri_20_11%5B%5D=920&attri_20_11%5B%5D=921&location=Calgary&format=&contact=&attri_40_1740_1=1&attri_40_1740_2=100%2C000&searchbasicbtn1=Find+Space

I really like this project, but I was hoping it would get capped and then one day put something really tall there. The floor plate seems big enough to accommodate a condo tower or something around 150m?

I'm not a fan of how tall the buildings are north of CPR tracks and then once you reach beltline it's a dramatic drop. It would make the skyline look nicer looking at it from the west to have the buildings taper off in height.

That's just being nitpicky though :p I love Place 10

Spring2008
Apr 30, 2015, 7:48 PM
I hope it pulls through, but I can see the economic case for capping 1 tower for sure.

That's right, they're only marketing the east tower as far as i can tell. west tower will be built to grade and capped, ready to go the next cycle.

craner
May 8, 2015, 3:07 AM
I really like this project, but I was hoping it would get capped and then one day put something really tall there. The floor plate seems big enough to accommodate a condo tower or something around 150m?

I'm not a fan of how tall the buildings are north of CPR tracks and then once you reach beltline it's a dramatic drop. It would make the skyline look nicer looking at it from the west to have the buildings taper off in height.

That's just being nitpicky though :p I love Place 10

I agree with you. I don't like the "cliff" effect of the towers on 9th giving way to lowrises in the Beltline.

bt04ku
May 8, 2015, 3:15 AM
That's right, they're only marketing the east tower as far as i can tell. west tower will be built to grade and capped, ready to go the next cycle.

Could it become a tall residential tower or is its potential height basically set with how the foundation was built?

Spring2008
May 8, 2015, 9:57 PM
Could it become a tall residential tower or is its potential height basically set with how the foundation was built?

If they wanted to instead of the west tower sure they could. I'm sure the load bearing capacity is high given the size of the pit.

Full Mountain
May 11, 2015, 6:46 PM
Could it become a tall residential tower or is its potential height basically set with how the foundation was built?

If they wanted to instead of the west tower sure they could. I'm sure the load bearing capacity is high given the size of the pit.

The west side of the site hasn't been excavated, they could build whatever they wanted on it. They could also do that on the east tower (currently U/C) however they would be more restricted in floor plate. They did a similar thing across the street (residential to commercial switch) after the parkade was built.

Design-mind
May 30, 2015, 5:11 PM
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8877/18080541728_0a1c40b873_b.jpg

AaronMak
May 31, 2015, 12:18 AM
I agree with you. I don't like the "cliff" effect of the towers on 9th giving way to lowrises in the Beltline.
I actually really like the cliff effect. TBH i think it would look even better if there cliff effect carried on further to the west and a bit more to the east. It sort of reminds me of the "wall effect" you get while looking at dt Vancouver from Stanley Park. Plus it really drives home the neighbourhood difference between dt and the beltline. They are different neighbourhoods and should feel as such.

RyLucky
May 31, 2015, 4:37 AM
^Great vantage of Place 10. To me it looks like they've excavated for the entire east tower and about half of the west block. I wonder what the rationale was there. Why not only do the East Block?

evolv
May 31, 2015, 2:49 PM
^Great vantage of Place 10. To me it looks like they've excavated for the entire east tower and about half of the west block. I wonder what the rationale was there. Why not only do the East Block?

My guess is that they had to excavate more to accommodate the parking ramps

RyLucky
May 31, 2015, 6:03 PM
My guess is that they had to excavate more to accommodate the parking ramps

Oh yeah, I guess that makes sense. THanks.

Blue_Cypress
May 31, 2015, 7:39 PM
If they wanted to instead of the west tower sure they could. I'm sure the load bearing capacity is high given the size of the pit.

It doesn't work like that.

Blue_Cypress
May 31, 2015, 7:40 PM
^Great vantage of Place 10. To me it looks like they've excavated for the entire east tower and about half of the west block. I wonder what the rationale was there. Why not only do the East Block?

Shoring is the expensive. Why shore when you can cut back, then build, and backfill later?

mersar
May 31, 2015, 8:02 PM
^Great vantage of Place 10. To me it looks like they've excavated for the entire east tower and about half of the west block. I wonder what the rationale was there. Why not only do the East Block?

I think that image is a bit of an optical illusion due to the angle. The excavated out the east tower and below the podium, the west tower footprint I don't believe they've excavated much that won't be backfilled based on views I've seen from other angles, and what they have excavated is pretty sloped as it was only needed to allow them to easier build the wall on the west edge of the phase 1 parkade.