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Smooth
Jul 13, 2010, 9:59 PM
New BC Place 3-D renders are out on Google Earth. Not smart enough to upload the link. Maybe somebody more computer savvy can upload the link.

The new roof is getting ripped by most listeners on Team 1040.

You can download the file here:
http://www.bcplacestadium.com/files/google-earth/BC_Place_The_Roof_Opens_2011.kmz

officedweller
Jul 13, 2010, 11:31 PM
Is that what those white things are on the right side of the camera? And what that wheel-shaped apparatus where the seats used to be is for?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that theose wheel things are stands used to assemble the masts. You can see that the cross section is square/rectangular and there are brackets to which cables will be attached.

GeeCee
Jul 14, 2010, 12:24 AM
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/8325/googleearthimaget.jpg
From Google Maps

mr.x
Jul 14, 2010, 12:31 AM
^ The opening does seem awfully small in this render....and $450-million?

hollywoodnorth
Jul 14, 2010, 1:13 AM
WOW cool thanks for the tip and you can see it in normal googlemaps BTW >> http://goo.gl/maps/1oob

eduardo88
Jul 14, 2010, 1:23 AM
^ The opening does seem awfully small in this render....and $450-million?

It still waaaaaaaaaaay better than what we had, and considering our weather, the size is fine. remember it'll probably be closed most of the year anyway, and from inside it should look a lot bigger.

Prometheus
Jul 14, 2010, 1:35 AM
The Great Cobweb.

mr.x
Jul 14, 2010, 1:41 AM
The Great Cobweb.

lolll...from Birds Nest to Cobweb.


It still waaaaaaaaaaay better than what we had, and considering our weather, the size is fine. remember it'll probably be closed most of the year anyway, and from inside it should look a lot bigger.

Hopefully that will be the case...I'd wager that the opening exposes 80% of the stadium floor? But less if you include the scoreboard.

eduardo88
Jul 14, 2010, 2:54 AM
lolll...from Birds Nest to Cobweb.




Hopefully that will be the case...I'd wager that the opening exposes 80% of the stadium floor? But less if you include the scoreboard.

The scoreboard shouldn't really affect how much the opening exposes, as it's not at the same height, but yeah, i'm guessing around ~80% of the playing field should be exposed, which is pretty decent. If you compare to stadiums that have fully covered stands, ours isn't all that enclosed, especially considering the roof won't block out all light, unlike a metal roof.

Conrad
Jul 14, 2010, 4:24 AM
For real? It's going to open up more than that isn't it? This is just a rough rendering after all... right?

mr.x
Jul 14, 2010, 7:16 AM
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1005/4725158413_50ca1513ab_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bcolcccp/4725158413/sizes/l/in/photostream/



http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4116/4785112587_95f166bce1_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fifthconspiracy/4785112587/sizes/l/in/photostream/




http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4123/4747372645_017a76b20b_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/theslowlane/4747372645/sizes/l/in/photostream/

Zassk
Jul 14, 2010, 7:45 AM
For real? It's going to open up more than that isn't it? This is just a rough rendering after all... right?

The opening is going to be 100 x 50 m I believe... you can figure out how big that is, you don't need a Google mock-up to understand that all of the stands will remain covered along with the edge of the playing surface.

This is basically how much would be open if BC Place was converted to an open-air stadium like the Bird's Nest. That opening didn't look too bad in the 2008 Olympics did it?

mr.x
Jul 14, 2010, 7:56 AM
^ That's actually a pretty good comparison. And it's definitely comparable to the interior renderings we've seen.


And Bird's Nest was actually originally designed to include a retractable roof. But it was canceled. They stopped construction for a year, realizing that the roof might add too much weight and cause the structure to sink even more...and the retractable roof may also compromise the structure's integrity during an earthquake.

WarrenC12
Jul 14, 2010, 1:48 PM
^ That's actually a pretty good comparison. And it's definitely comparable to the interior renderings we've seen.


And Bird's Nest was actually originally designed to include a retractable roof. But it was canceled. They stopped construction for a year, realizing that the roof might add too much weight and cause the structure to sink even more...and the retractable roof may also compromise the structure's integrity during an earthquake.

Considering the engineering feat this is, I think we have to be pleased with what we get. And it will be worlds different inside the new stadium.

Unfortunately, something had to be done no matter what. Thankfully we aren't staring at a pile of rubble where BC Place used to be, and a giant piece of land in Cloverdale where a new stadium is being built.. :tup:

twoNeurons
Jul 14, 2010, 2:11 PM
Teck Cominco is now just Teck. How about the Teck No Dome seeing as the roof is no more?

Tecmo Bowl FTW!
http://phantasymanga.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/tecmo-bowl.jpg
source (http://phantasymanga.com/?s=Tecmo&x=0&y=0)

officedweller
Jul 14, 2010, 6:29 PM
On the interior webcam there's a mast lying on the floor on the left side of the picture, near the giant crane.

WarrenC12
Jul 14, 2010, 7:13 PM
There's a working model on display at Tourism Vancouver's office at Burrard and Cordova.

http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/77530--model-of-b-c-place-s-retractable-roof-on-display

The difference of the opening size in each picture is quite remarkable. It's all perspective. I think it will be quite sufficient from the inside as a spectator.

http://media.greenradio.topscms.com/images/0a/53/567278644b08997b7531111b11a5.jpeg

http://media.greenradio.topscms.com/images/a4/cc/9432093b40b492898afa79b7bf97.jpeg

PaperTiger
Jul 14, 2010, 8:36 PM
There's a working model on display at Tourism Vancouver's office at Burrard and Cordova.

http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/77530--model-of-b-c-place-s-retractable-roof-on-display

The difference of the opening size in each picture is quite remarkable. It's all perspective. I think it will be quite sufficient from the inside as a spectator.

http://media.greenradio.topscms.com/images/0a/53/567278644b08997b7531111b11a5.jpeg

http://media.greenradio.topscms.com/images/a4/cc/9432093b40b492898afa79b7bf97.jpeg

The opening is a good size -- 7500m2 or about 1.85 acres. It just looks small because the whole roof is 40,000m2 or 10 acres in area.

Incidentally, the opening is similar in size to the opening in the Arizona Cardinals' stadium, but only about a quarter of the size of the Skydome's opening.

Zassk
Jul 14, 2010, 9:28 PM
I have no idea whether the models in Google Earth are accurate, but I measured the size of Bird's Nest and BC Place New Roof.

Bird's Nest:
Stadium size: 320 x 340 m (metal superstructure for roof is wider than arena stands by at least 15 m on all sides)
Width of awning over stands: 100 m on all sides
Opening size: 128 x 200 m (about 30% of stadium width)

BC Place:
Stadium size: 190 x 230 m (somewhat more if outdoor walkways are included)
Width of awning over stands: 50 m at midfield, 80 m endzones
Opening size: 90 x 100 m (about 45% of stadium width)

It appears that BC Place will actually have a larger opening and smaller awning than Bird's Nest, relative to the overall size of the stadium.

g35
Jul 14, 2010, 11:50 PM
Official word according to BC place website is 85m x 100m. It says that's the size of a CFL field but it's actually about 25 m wider.

For perspective I guess it will leave uncovered the playing surface between the endzones lengthwise, and the full space between the stands widthwise.

Zassk
Jul 15, 2010, 12:02 AM
^ Then it would appear that the Google Earth models are indeed accurate.


Something of note: you can position your Google Earth camera so that you are inside the new BC Place stadium, and then pan around to see how it will look from various seating positions.

There is a nice image of the Whitecaps gameplay on the scoreboard TV screen. :)

red-paladin
Jul 15, 2010, 12:45 AM
Remember that it's not just the roof opening. There will be a big ring of glass several metres high that extend between the current top of the concrete structure and the level of the new roof. This is also going to let in a lot of natural light, and to me is just as big an improvement as the opening roof.
http://www.gov.bc.ca/tca/media_gallery/download/thmbnails/img_bcplace4.jpg
This is from this BC Government website: http://www.gov.bc.ca/tca/media_gallery/download/index.html

hollywoodnorth
Jul 15, 2010, 6:55 PM
the large central tension support thing is being lifted into place as I type!

Smooth
Jul 15, 2010, 6:59 PM
Remember that it's not just the roof opening. There will be a big ring of glass several metres high that extend between the current top of the concrete structure and the level of the new roof. This is also going to let in a lot of natural light, and to me is just as big an improvement as the opening roof.


I've said the same thing about those windows before. I believe that's going to make a huge difference in making the stadium feel open. From that rendering those windows look to be about as high as the upper tier of the stadium.

Overground
Jul 18, 2010, 7:04 PM
They should leave that clerestory glass off, a la Commerzbank Arena, and used the money for replacing the ugly brown glass currently circulating the stadium.

officedweller
Jul 19, 2010, 8:07 PM
That won't be glass - it'll be plastic - like the "water cube" at the Beijing Olympics.

officedweller
Jul 21, 2010, 5:58 PM
On the naming front - does the Budweiser crown resemble the new roof?

===> "Bud Place" or "BC Bud Place"

http://mapage.noos.fr/joelapompe2/assets/crown2002_0989.jpg
http://mapage.noos.fr/joelapompe2/assets/crown2002_0989.jpg

http://neverthemachineforever.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/budweisercrown-300x188.png
http://neverthemachineforever.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/budweisercrown-300x188.png
http://tabletopny.com/images/bud_crown_l964.jpg
http://tabletopny.com/images/bud_crown_l964.jpg

WarrenC12
Jul 21, 2010, 6:22 PM
Bud bowl... the big hot box, used to be the Beatty St. Sweatbox because it got so hot in there.... perfect. :D

BCPhil
Jul 21, 2010, 7:14 PM
Bud bowl, the perfect double entendre.

PaperTiger
Jul 26, 2010, 4:09 PM
The centre "nuckle" (for lack of a better term) is now up on top of the temporary tower. We should see some cables soon.

WarrenC12
Jul 26, 2010, 6:20 PM
There are some new panels on the NW corner as well. They look great.

officedweller
Jul 26, 2010, 8:09 PM
Saw the "knuckle" over the weekend - you can see where each cable will slot into it. Looking forward to it!

PaperTiger
Jul 26, 2010, 8:15 PM
Damn you silent K's :rolleyes:

What is amazing me is how high it is. I wonder if that will be the ultimate height of the centre of the roof. If so, the whole structure is going to be much higher than I envisioned.

WarrenC12
Jul 26, 2010, 8:18 PM
Damn you silent K's :rolleyes:

What is amazing me is how high it is. I wonder if that will be the ultimate height of the centre of the roof. If so, the whole structure is going to be much higher than I envisioned.

I'm sure it will be. Don't forget the "glass wall" that will extend from the concrete now. I think the whole thing will be more impressive than the models indicate.

eduardo88
Jul 26, 2010, 11:28 PM
Is the roof going to be higher than the one it replaced?

SpongeG
Jul 27, 2010, 12:04 AM
it looks a lot higher in the renderings

mr.x
Jul 27, 2010, 12:08 AM
From stadium floor to the highest point of the new fabric roof, it's about the same height. But of course, the roof starts a lot higher from the rim.




Anyhow, I think I'm going to call it quits. This will be my last day here in Skyscraperpage, I find that I'm coming here a bit too often....way too often.

Good luck SP, good luck Vancouver! Goodbye!

Denscity
Jul 27, 2010, 12:25 AM
Peace out x.

WarrenC12
Jul 27, 2010, 12:55 AM
Anyhow, I think I'm going to call it quits. This will be my last day here in Skyscraperpage, I find that I'm coming here a bit too often....way too often.

Good luck SP, good luck Vancouver! Goodbye!

I call BS on this one. :D

Prometheus
Jul 27, 2010, 12:59 AM
Write if you find work.

eduardo88
Jul 27, 2010, 1:18 AM
From stadium floor to the highest point of the new fabric roof, it's about the same height. But of course, the roof starts a lot higher from the rim.




Anyhow, I think I'm going to call it quits. This will be my last day here in Skyscraperpage, I find that I'm coming here a bit too often....way too often.

Good luck SP, good luck Vancouver! Goodbye!

It's too much of an addiction, I don't see him lasting long away from here

officedweller
Jul 27, 2010, 2:43 AM
Check out the interior webcam - on the left of the pic, one of the masts is hoisted up onto a rig of some kind - so that the "arm" can be added onto it (each mast is sort of like an "L").

vanlaw
Jul 27, 2010, 5:29 AM
There are some new panels on the NW corner as well. They look great.

Saw that from Beatty/Georgia tonight. Metal cladding around the outside of the top of the rim. It looks really, really good.

SpongeG
Jul 27, 2010, 9:07 AM
he has no time here cause he is too busy with all the near naked men at SSC ;)

Hourglass
Jul 27, 2010, 10:57 AM
Gee, and all along I was thinking SSC was a skyscrapers site... :D

Fairbanks
Jul 27, 2010, 5:27 PM
Is anyone else having issues with Earthcam's BC PLace cams. It appears both interior and exterior cams have been down since Monday sometime.

Details? Please?

officedweller
Jul 27, 2010, 5:46 PM
http://www.bcplacestadium.com/index.php/construction.html
Click on "View Live Webcams"

Works for me - webcam photo is date-stamped July 27, 2010 - 10:30 am

Fairbanks
Jul 27, 2010, 9:56 PM
http://www.bcplacestadium.com/index.php/construction.html
Click on "View Live Webcams"

Works for me - webcam photo is date-stamped July 27, 2010 - 10:30 am

HI Officedweller: I tried your link too and all I get is archived night shots before the roof was even deflated.

I dont know what to do about this as it seems kind of trivial to bother them over this little matter with all they have going on.

Is anyone else experiencing my problem?

Fairbanks.

nova9
Jul 27, 2010, 10:03 PM
No. I see photos date stamped july 27th.

Fairbanks
Jul 27, 2010, 11:32 PM
Hi All:

So I spoke to Dustin Blomfield at BCPavco and explained that I cant view the webcams. He checked and he has no problem and I guess everyone else can see the cams too.

All I get is photos datestamped April 27, 2010. Both interior and exterior webcams are night shots. I cant view the Gateway Project webcams either. Both sites are as you know - Earthcam Technologies.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to what my problem could be as this just developed yesterday for.

I appreciate any feedback,

Cheers and thanks,
Fairbanks

Spork
Jul 28, 2010, 12:05 AM
Clear your cache, clear your cookies.

Fairbanks
Jul 28, 2010, 12:16 AM
Hi all:

It was this simple...for some reason the date on my pc had been set to July 2009. Hmmmmmm! But I am relieved beyond measure. Now I can enjoy the installation of the masts.

Thanks to everyone who took a shot at helping me out.
Fairbanks

g35
Jul 28, 2010, 3:13 PM
For those who can't see it, the first mast is finally erect....only a matter of time before it's lifted up, right?

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/6859/88267233.png

update: come back a couple of hours later and it's hoisted all the way up and the new roof is finally "taking shape". this is pretty cool.

Zassk
Jul 28, 2010, 6:09 PM
I can see it on the external live cam. That was fast!

Brokenhead
Jul 28, 2010, 6:19 PM
That thing is HUGE.

androo_k
Jul 28, 2010, 6:27 PM
Yah first Mast is Up! this stadium is going to be massive!:notacrook:

ozonemania
Jul 28, 2010, 6:29 PM
Wow, so tall... this is going to be one impressive roof.

officedweller
Jul 28, 2010, 6:42 PM
Thanks for posting! Cool!!

******************

Also came across this thread of pics while Googling...

http://www.bcaquaria.com/forum/aqua-lounge-7/bc-place-stadium-retractable-roof-progress-**update-july-10-2010**-3626/index2.html

vanlaw
Jul 28, 2010, 8:15 PM
The mast is MASSIVE. It is clearly visable from Granville/Georgia. Sticks out into about a third of the view down the georgia corridor.

GeeCee
Jul 28, 2010, 9:34 PM
Wow! I had no idea they would be that tall. This thing is gonna look great. :D

jsbertram
Jul 29, 2010, 3:33 AM
The mast is MASSIVE. It is clearly visable from Granville/Georgia. Sticks out into about a third of the view down the georgia corridor.

Saw it while heading to the BlueBus stop at the Bay, and was so captivated I missed my bus.

Someone please snap some pics from Georgia/Granville showing this first mast hovering over the edge of downtown.

SpongeG
Jul 29, 2010, 3:40 AM
from flickr Fábio Pittoli (http://www.flickr.com/photos/canada_2010/)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4139/4811272658_859289fd48_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4134/4811273430_b014a9bcbe_b.jpg

WarrenC12
Jul 29, 2010, 3:55 AM
^^^^^^^^ Great pic of the new cladding on the 2nd shot.

hollywoodnorth
Jul 29, 2010, 3:59 AM
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/hollywoodnorth/concord2020/DSC00253.jpg
pic by me a few min's ago and hosted on Pbucket. enjoy!

entheosfog
Jul 29, 2010, 3:59 AM
Looking down Georgia, while I was driving, taken at around 12:15 today:
http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/7949/dscn1134.jpg

Closer in:
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1489/dscn1135p.jpg

Spork
Jul 29, 2010, 4:14 AM
Wow! Huge! Thanks for all of the photos!

SpongeG
Jul 29, 2010, 4:47 AM
what is Vision Critical?

WarrenC12
Jul 29, 2010, 5:07 AM
what is Vision Critical?

I think they write software for doing surveys.

SpongeG
Jul 29, 2010, 5:31 AM
ah is it on the stadium side? it looks like its tacked on the side of the stadium

cjohnny4
Jul 29, 2010, 1:08 PM
Thanks for the pics! I'm getting really excited about this project. Quick question: can anyone explain how the masts connect to the stadium rim? I know the cables hold some of the weight, but ultmately there is a downward load onto the upper rim of the stadium. How are the masts stabilized and conncted onto the rim, and what keeps this first single mast from wobbling to the right and left?

SFUVancouver
Jul 29, 2010, 3:39 PM
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/5907/fistbcplacemastzoomoutj.jpg
http://creativecommons.org/images/public/somerights20.png (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/ca/) Taken by SFUVancouver, July 28th, 2010.

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/5131/firstbcplacemastjuly282.jpg
http://creativecommons.org/images/public/somerights20.png (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/ca/) Taken by SFUVancouver, July 28th, 2010.

Zassk
Jul 29, 2010, 4:19 PM
Thanks for the pics! I'm getting really excited about this project. Quick question: can anyone explain how the masts connect to the stadium rim? I know the cables hold some of the weight, but ultmately there is a downward load onto the upper rim of the stadium. How are the masts stabilized and conncted onto the rim, and what keeps this first single mast from wobbling to the right and left?

I don't know how it's connected, but it looks like the first mast is being held upright by some temporary cables to its right and left.

Edit - in the interior live cam, you can see they are already assembling the second mast.

PaperTiger
Jul 29, 2010, 4:37 PM
This is exciting! I think that from now on it will go really quickly. It is exciting to have a project to watch that will take 1 year instead of 3 or 4 (Hello Shangri-la, Woodward’s) It will be almost instant gratification.

I don’t want to be a Debbie downer but looking at it now I do have a slight concern that the roof and the existing building will seem very different and it will always look like a reno. Hopefully as things progress we will see some elements that integrate the design.

Yume-sama
Jul 29, 2010, 5:26 PM
This is exciting! I think that from now on it will go really quickly. It is exciting to have a project to watch that will take 1 year instead of 3 or 4 (Hello Shangri-la, Woodward’s) It will be almost instant gratification.

I don’t want to be a Debbie downer but looking at it now I do have a slight concern that the roof and the existing building will seem very different and it will always look like a reno. Hopefully as things progress we will see some elements that integrate the design.

:frog: Well, you could be right. It could end up like a hospital in Calgary that was recently renovated.

Guess which part is new :D
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/6365/cpvrockyviewhospital7ov.jpg
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/6365/

However, I think it will look substantially better lol

officedweller
Jul 29, 2010, 6:10 PM
I don't know how it's connected, but it looks like the first mast is being held upright by some temporary cables to its right and left.


Yup, that's right - If you look at the video animation on the BC Place website you'll see that maybe 3 or so masts are stabilized with cables before the horizontal girders are installed between them.
It also looks like the masts will be installed at opposing sides of the stadium to balance them as they are installed.
So maybe the next mast will be on the west side of the rim.

Also, just noticed from various renders, including the one posted by JLousa, below, that the horizontal girders that will brace the masts form more of a circle around the stadium, than the squared-off oval shape of the stadium itself.
Note how they are closer to the rim at the corners of the stadium than along the sides?

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p155/jlousa/massingaerials.jpg
Pic posted by JLousa

Smooth
Jul 29, 2010, 7:21 PM
The windows around the top rim look to be as high as the horizontal beam on the mast. They're going to be quite high themselves.

Closer in:
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1489/dscn1135p.jpg

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/8325/googleearthimaget.jpg
From Google Maps

jsbertram
Jul 29, 2010, 7:22 PM
Thanks for the pics! I'm getting really excited about this project. Quick question: can anyone explain how the masts connect to the stadium rim? I know the cables hold some of the weight, but ultmately there is a downward load onto the upper rim of the stadium. How are the masts stabilized and conncted onto the rim, and what keeps this first single mast from wobbling to the right and left?

From the first page one of the composite drawings:

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7317/16942348vj7.jpg

the B&W drawing shows a cut-through view showing the masts are attached to the ribs that also hold the angled deck for the upper-level seating. That explains why the top of each rib is surrounded by orange tarps; There is extra structure being added to the tops of the ribs for the ball-joint that connects the base of the mast to the top of the ribs, and some extra vertical structure so this new weight is sent vertically to the ground.

Previously the tops of the ribs where the old roof was connected had to hold the roof down (while it was inflated), but now the ribs have to hold the new roof masts up. When I think about it, the engineers have a harder job designing this retrofit roof for BCPlace than they would if they were designing the same roof for a new building.


Has anyone figured out why the masts are connected to the ribs by ball-joints?

Porfiry
Jul 29, 2010, 8:12 PM
Urban Design Panel supports proposed B.C. Place casino and hotel project in Vancouver
http://www.straight.com/article-336575/vancouver/urban-design-panel-supports-proposed-bc-place-casino-and-hotel-project-vancouver

WarrenC12
Jul 29, 2010, 8:13 PM
Has anyone figured out why the masts are connected to the ribs by ball-joints?

Flexibility when it gets windy? Earthquakes?

cjohnny4
Jul 30, 2010, 12:54 AM
From the first page one of the composite drawings:

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7317/16942348vj7.jpg

the B&W drawing shows a cut-through view showing the masts are attached to the ribs that also hold the angled deck for the upper-level seating. That explains why the top of each rib is surrounded by orange tarps; There is extra structure being added to the tops of the ribs for the ball-joint that connects the base of the mast to the top of the ribs, and some extra vertical structure so this new weight is sent vertically to the ground.

Previously the tops of the ribs where the old roof was connected had to hold the roof down (while it was inflated), but now the ribs have to hold the new roof masts up. When I think about it, the engineers have a harder job designing this retrofit roof for BCPlace than they would if they were designing the same roof for a new building.


Has anyone figured out why the masts are connected to the ribs by ball-joints?

Thanks for that explanation and the drawings. Very helpful. The only question I have is that it seems on the Google Earth model that some of masts are not lined up with an existing support column. Is that just a flaw in the drawing or is there something else going on?

officedweller
Jul 30, 2010, 7:45 PM
I wouldn't rely on Google Earth for technical details.

Yume-sama
Jul 30, 2010, 7:51 PM
I wouldn't rely on Google Earth for technical details.

:sly: Are you saying there's a reason why it hasn't replaced actual surveyors?

cjohnny4
Aug 1, 2010, 2:52 PM
Thanks for that explanation and the drawings. Very helpful. The only question I have is that it seems on the Google Earth model that some of masts are not lined up with an existing support column. Is that just a flaw in the drawing or is there something else going on?

Even if you don't trust the Google Earth model, I count 54 existing support columns in the circumference of the stadium, yet I count 36 new masts in all of the drawings for the new roof. If you do the math, there is no way that each mast could be lined up with an existing support column if the masts are going to be spread around the stadium evenly. This is why I ask. Any explanations?

officedweller
Aug 3, 2010, 7:22 PM
Even if you don't trust the Google Earth model, I count 54 existing support columns
in the circumference of the stadium, yet I count 36 new masts in all of the drawings for the new roof. If you do
the math, there is no way that each mast could be lined up with an existing support column if the masts are going
to be spread around the stadium evenly. This is why I ask. Any explanations?

Hey,
I just realized that the www.bcplacestadium.com website links to the Google Earth drawing
- so that probably means that the Google Earth diagram would have been created with input/data provided by BC Place Stadium -
so it probably can be trusted (unlike other things that people notice like missing bridges and failure to update new roads, etc.).

Anyways, your best source of information is probably the BC Place website.
Before it went flash and video crazy, that website used to have some technical drawings, but I can't find them anymore.
I don't think anyone has found an engineering firm website with BC Place information (not yet anyways).

Could be that the roof, once stabilized with the cross-beams, etc. will distribute its weight evenly across
the existing rim (presumably reinforced) rather than transmitting force directly down each support - but that's just a guess.


Here's a pic taken by a coworker on Saturday from his condo at TV Towers II
(he's complaining that the new roof will block his view of False Creek!)
- and of course I'll be asking for updates as the roof progresses.
The cladding around the rim looks to be progressing quickly.

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OOOPs - that's a bit on the big side - but I'll leave it as is since it shows the mast detail.

Zassk
Aug 3, 2010, 7:36 PM
Thanks for the detailed pic - it looks like the crane has been disconnected from the mast, and the mast is now being held upright by the support cable to the center of the stadium.

Yume-sama
Aug 3, 2010, 7:43 PM
Oooh~ Great pic!

officedweller
Aug 3, 2010, 7:43 PM
.. and the support cables to the rim on either side of the mast.

You can also see the footings for each mast.

Smooth
Aug 3, 2010, 7:46 PM
I was just reading Frances Bula's blog and she goes into some detail about the revised look of the casino.

http://www.francesbula.com/developer-world/revised-marine-gateway-gets-approval-casino-design-predicted-to-bring-new-look-60-w-cordova-okayed/#more-3119

She mentions that the architect is James Cheng. Did we know this already?

PaperTiger
Aug 3, 2010, 8:39 PM
I was just reading Frances Bula's blog and she goes into some detail about the revised look of the casino.

http://www.francesbula.com/developer-world/revised-marine-gateway-gets-approval-casino-design-predicted-to-bring-new-look-60-w-cordova-okayed/#more-3119

She mentions that the architect is James Cheng. Did we know this already?

She mentioned James Cheng because he is a member of the UDP, not because he is involved in designing the building.

Smooth
Aug 3, 2010, 8:57 PM
That makes sense. Thanks for clarifying that for me.

eduardo88
Aug 3, 2010, 11:46 PM
She mentioned James Cheng because he is a member of the UDP, not because he is involved in designing the building.

Thank God he's not the architect. Although I like the Fairmont, I hate the man for green-glassing the city.

androo_k
Aug 4, 2010, 7:30 PM
Looks like they are about to lift the second Column according to the interior cam :-)

cjohnny4
Aug 5, 2010, 1:50 AM
Hey,
I just realized that the www.bcplacestadium.com website links to the Google Earth drawing
- so that probably means that the Google Earth diagram would have been created with input/data provided by BC Place Stadium -
so it probably can be trusted (unlike other things that people notice like missing bridges and failure to update new roads, etc.).

Anyways, your best source of information is probably the BC Place website.
Before it went flash and video crazy, that website used to have some technical drawings, but I can't find them anymore.
I don't think anyone has found an engineering firm website with BC Place information (not yet anyways).

Could be that the roof, once stabilized with the cross-beams, etc. will distribute its weight evenly across
the existing rim (presumably reinforced) rather than transmitting force directly down each support - but that's just a guess.


Here's a pic taken by a coworker on Saturday from his condo at TV Towers II
(he's complaining that the new roof will block his view of False Creek!)
- and of course I'll be asking for updates as the roof progresses.
The cladding around the rim looks to be progressing quickly.




Thanks, officedweller. That clears things up quite a bit, and the photo you posted is the most telling yet. You can really see how the masts are connected to the rim. I appreciate your thoughtful explanations!

mrjauk
Aug 5, 2010, 3:06 AM
.. and the support cables to the rim on either side of the mast.

You can also see the footings for each mast.

Does anyone know if this means that the seating capacity will be decreased? I can imagine as many as a few hundred seats being view obstructed as a result of the column supports.

Zassk
Aug 5, 2010, 5:34 PM
^ Yes, I believe it was stated somewhere that seating capacity will drop to 55,000, which let's face it, is not going to be a problem for any tenant.

Smooth
Aug 5, 2010, 6:06 PM
The 2nd mast is mid-raise on the webcam right now.

http://www.bcplacestadium.com/index.php/construction.html#webcam

jsbertram
Aug 5, 2010, 6:41 PM
Does anyone know if this means that the seating capacity will be decreased? I can imagine as many as a few hundred seats being view obstructed as a result of the column supports.

I thought the masts were going to be attached above and behind the upper deck seats.

I can see some seats being removed if the pillars holding the masts have to be enlarged to handle the increased weight of the mast & roof, but since those would likely be in the last few rows of the 'nose bleed' seats, its unlikely anyone would notice or care.

(except us eagle-eyed SSPers)

jsbertram
Aug 5, 2010, 6:46 PM
Hey,
I just realized that the www.bcplacestadium.com website links to the Google Earth drawing
- so that probably means that the Google Earth diagram would have been created with input/data provided by BC Place Stadium -
so it probably can be trusted (unlike other things that people notice like missing bridges and failure to update new roads, etc.).

Anyways, your best source of information is probably the BC Place website.
Before it went flash and video crazy, that website used to have some technical drawings, but I can't find them anymore.
I don't think anyone has found an engineering firm website with BC Place information (not yet anyways).

Could be that the roof, once stabilized with the cross-beams, etc. will distribute its weight evenly across
the existing rim (presumably reinforced) rather than transmitting force directly down each support - but that's just a guess.


Here's a pic taken by a coworker on Saturday from his condo at TV Towers II
(he's complaining that the new roof will block his view of False Creek!)
- and of course I'll be asking for updates as the roof progresses.
The cladding around the rim looks to be progressing quickly.

....
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OOOPs - that's a bit on the big side - but I'll leave it as is since it shows the mast detail.

Who wants to chip in to put a time-lapse Web camera in officedweller's Co-workers' condo?

Could it be set up to snap one pic per hour & feed it right to this SSP page ...

officedweller
Aug 5, 2010, 8:45 PM
CKNW has a link with [old] BC Place pics:

http://www.cknw.com/Channels/Reg/NewsLocal/Story.aspx?ID=1261528

http://www.cknw.com/PhotoPages/Photos.aspx?AlbumID=106056

Zassk
Aug 5, 2010, 9:01 PM
http://www.vancouversun.com/Photos+Nice+view+topless+Place/3360170/story.html

The Vancouver Sun also has (now outdated) pictures from yesterday.

One of the captions notes that the large crane is capable of lifting 544 tons.