What Do the Bums of the DTES Think About Woodwards "Coming Up in Their 'Hood" ???

[Hed Kandi]

Uh Oh Spaghettio

:wizard:

[Cambridgite]

The title of this thread isn't THAT condescending now, is it? ;)

[Hed Kandi]

The title of this thread isn't THAT condescending now, is it? ;)


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[SpongeG]

they don't have to walk to far now - just plunk down in front of it

http://eldib.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/homeless.jpg

[Hed Kandi]

they don't have to walk to far now - just plunk down in front of it

http://eldib.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/homeless.jpg


BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! :haha:

[ckkelley]

Well, they are being given 200 units of free housing.

They've got to be somewhat happy about that.

They won't be of course.

[jlousa]

Umm there is no free housing, there will be 75 non-market family housing units, they will pay rent at non-market rates, and there will be another 125 SROs again not free, but most probable people on welfare/disability.

[ckkelley]

^
I don't get it. People on welfare/disability have to pay rent for these places?

[cornholio]

^
I don't get it. People on welfare/disability have to pay rent for these places?

welfare writes a check to the landlord, there is also a max that welfare will pay for accommodations. problem is that many of the drug addicts get the landlord to pay them out part of what the landlord gets from welfare and then the addicts just live on the street and beg for more money. the landlord then rents the place to someone else and makes allot of extra money. i dont believe in free housing for the homeless. there are only two type of homeless people, drug addicts and mentally ill. they dont need housing and housing wouldn't even help their cause, they need treatment. as far as people down on their luck the current social services available are plenty enough to allow you to get back on your feet, if you dont and you become homeless then you clearly fall in to one of the two previous categories and you need treatment, not indefinite free housing. im actually pissed at the fact that their creating housing for the hard to house, these people should be in treatment or a psychiatric ward. one day they may be able to fully return to society and work and get their own place, or in the worse case scenario they are never able to function in society, in that case they remain institutionalized and not homeless or with free housing.

[leftside]

im actually pissed at the fact that their creating housing for the hard to house, these people should be in treatment or a psychiatric ward.
Agreed! Especially as most of this housing they are creating is in the DTES where these vulnerable people are preyed upon.

[leftside]

there will be 75 non-market family housing units
This housing is set aside for those in "deep core needs". Will make for an interesting mix of people living in the Woodwards.

[jlousa]

No the 75 units in the Abbott towerer is not deep-core needs it is family housing (Ie social housing)
The 125 unit development atop of SFU is the SROs and it is also not destined for deep-core needs just a normal SRO run by the Portland housing society.

[ckkelley]

welfare writes a check to the landlord, there is also a max that welfare will pay for accommodations. problem is that many of the drug addicts get the landlord to pay them out part of what the landlord gets from welfare and then the addicts just live on the street and beg for more money. the landlord then rents the place to someone else and makes allot of extra money. i dont believe in free housing for the homeless. there are only two type of homeless people, drug addicts and mentally ill. they dont need housing and housing wouldn't even help their cause, they need treatment. as far as people down on their luck the current social services available are plenty enough to allow you to get back on your feet, if you dont and you become homeless then you clearly fall in to one of the two previous categories and you need treatment, not indefinite free housing. im actually pissed at the fact that their creating housing for the hard to house, these people should be in treatment or a psychiatric ward. one day they may be able to fully return to society and work and get their own place, or in the worse case scenario they are never able to function in society, in that case they remain institutionalized and not homeless or with free housing.

Okay, that's what I thought.

It is free housing.

[leftside]

No the 75 units in the Abbott towerer is not deep-core needs it is family housing (Ie social housing)
The 125 unit development atop of SFU is the SROs and it is also not destined for deep-core needs just a normal SRO run by the Portland housing society.
From: http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/ctyclerk/cclerk/20050118/a14.htm

"The 75 family unit project would accommodate 45 core need families of which half would be for deep core need families. As many of the families in the Downtown Eastside are aboriginal, Affordable, BC Housing and the City will explore a possible partnership with an aboriginal service provider to ensure that the family housing will provide aboriginal families with the necessary cultural support.

The 125 singles unit project would all be targeted to core-need singles living in the areas residential hotels and rooming houses, and 100 of the units would accommodate singles in deep core need. Vancouver Coastal Health Authority will provide services to support the singles who may suffer from mental illness or addictions. For both the family and singles projects priority will be given to residents of the Downtown Eastside."

I would be very happy if you showed me a newer link that contradicts the above. My concern has always been placing "deep core need" people into a residential property. As mentioned earlier, these people should be in some form of treatment centre/institution to get the help they need.

[jlousa]

I don't have a newer link for you, but I can assure that document from 2005 is outdated and is accurate. The city just recently awared the management contract for the SRO, the info is out there. The VCHA isn't the one invovled, I'm sure all of the families people have needs (ie lack of money) but they won't be mental/addicts. The SRO section will house people of more needs obviously, but deep-core usally is meant as people unable to care for themselves, and that's not what these SROs are for.

[Skook]

Interesting story on skid row in LA - sounds a lot like our downtown eastside. It would appear that allowing neighbourhoods to become outdoor shooting galleries doesn't work particularly well in California either.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_4_skid_row.html

[leftside]

^^^ Nice article. I wish all levels of government here would have the same balls and tell the "advocates" (Pivot/DERA/APC) to get lost. But, no. Instead here we encourage the growth of the ghetto by preserving the SRO's in the area.

[officedweller]

Saw this article in the National Post today - sounds familiar doesn't it?

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/story.html?id=559691

[NewfBC]

Well, they are being given 200 units of free housing.

They've got to be somewhat happy about that.

They won't be of course.

No.. nor will the people who lined up to buy condos.. when they find out they're moving into a war zone.

Ron.