New subdivision developments

[Cre47]

In next week's Planning Committee, discussions about a future resedential plan south of Earl Armstrong and River Road - yep Riverside South now on the verge of expanding southwards.

http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2011/03-29/5%20-%20ACS2011-ICS-PGM-0072%20-%204264%20Spratt%20Road.htm

http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2011/03-29/5%20-%20ACS2011-ICS-PGM-0072%20-%204264%20Spratt%20Road_files/image002.jpg

[waterloowarrior]

Big ad (and "story") for Half Moon Bay South in today's Homes section of the Citizen

First phase
http://www.mattamyhomes.com/Ottawa/Communities/Barrhaven/HalfMoonBay/Area-Amenities.asp

http://www.mattamyhomes.com/Ottawa/Communities/Barrhaven/HalfMoonBay/images/SiteMap1.jpg (http://www.mattamyhomes.com/Ottawa/Communities/Barrhaven/HalfMoonBay/images/SiteMap1.pdf)

[Uhuniau]

Big ad (and "story") for Half Moon Bay South in today's Homes section of the Citizen

First phase
http://www.mattamyhomes.com/Ottawa/Communities/Barrhaven/HalfMoonBay/Area-Amenities.asp

http://www.mattamyhomes.com/Ottawa/Communities/Barrhaven/HalfMoonBay/images/SiteMap1.jpg (http://www.mattamyhomes.com/Ottawa/Communities/Barrhaven/HalfMoonBay/images/SiteMap1.pdf)

Yay! More "Circles" and "Crescents"! Yay!

[reidjr]

Yay! More "Circles" and "Crescents"! Yay!

The bigger question is can the area support such a big project i mean roads etc or is it going to be a nighmare.

[TransitZilla]

Yay! More "Circles" and "Crescents"! Yay!

I'm not sure what exactly you're expecting... a perfect grid pattern like Centretown?

Those crescents and circles that are parallel to Greenbank will allow pedestrian access to transit, which is a big improvement over past suburbs where everything would have backed onto the major roads and pedestrian access would be impossible.

The block sizes here are pretty small, too, which should make the neighbourhood pretty walkable.

[reidjr]

I'm not sure what exactly you're expecting... a perfect grid pattern like Centretown?

Those crescents and circles that are parallel to Greenbank will allow pedestrian access to transit, which is a big improvement over past suburbs where everything would have backed onto the major roads and pedestrian access would be impossible.

The block sizes here are pretty small, too, which should make the neighbourhood pretty walkable.

Its not so much this project per say my issue is its will be part of a area that is growing at such a pace can the area handle it will it work out fine or will it turn into a brub like toronto where life is a nightmare.

[Dado]

I'm not sure what exactly you're expecting... a perfect grid pattern like Centretown?

Those crescents and circles that are parallel to Greenbank will allow pedestrian access to transit, which is a big improvement over past suburbs where everything would have backed onto the major roads and pedestrian access would be impossible.

The block sizes here are pretty small, too, which should make the neighbourhood pretty walkable.

I don't get Uhuniau's complaint either. Sure, the grid is not complete but the street network is not fundamentally disorienting, either. It's all laid out in a basic two axis network as opposed to curving streets with culs-de-sac all over the place.

A pedestrian has plenty of walking options (unlike in typical suburbia), whereas the driving options are much more limited (like typical suburbia) but even so a driver unfamiliar with the area is not going to get lost or disoriented, even if a wrong turn is taken.

[reidjr]

I don't get Uhuniau's complaint either. Sure, the grid is not complete but the street network is not fundamentally disorienting, either. It's all laid out in a basic two axis network as opposed to curving streets with culs-de-sac all over the place.

A pedestrian has plenty of walking options (unlike in typical suburbia), whereas the driving options are much more limited (like typical suburbia) but even so a driver unfamiliar with the area is not going to get lost or disoriented, even if a wrong turn is taken.

My issue as is aid before is not the project but where its beeing placed look at the area as it is now its not all that great traffic wise now adding another massive developemnt is this the best move.

[Dado]

:previous:

Fair enough reidjr but Brad and I were responding to Uhuniau's "circles and crescents" comment.

For what it's worth, this development is not too far from the end of the Southwest Transitway currently under construction, so it'll have half-decent transit service into downtown. That said, I think the City was daft to allow any development south of the Jock River because they're going to have to commit to major bridge improvements for both Greenbank and Jockvale.

[waterloowarrior]

Development charges cover the increased capital costs needed for roads required to service new growth. For the new suburban roads in the budget, 95% of the cost is DCs 5% is debt but I'm not sure if the 5% is for non-growth related improvements or if it's some kind of financial/accounting thing.

[reidjr]

:previous:

Fair enough reidjr but Brad and I were responding to Uhuniau's "circles and crescents" comment.

For what it's worth, this development is not too far from the end of the Southwest Transitway currently under construction, so it'll have half-decent transit service into downtown. That said, I think the City was daft to allow any development south of the Jock River because they're going to have to commit to major bridge improvements for both Greenbank and Jockvale.

Then do you think this project will get the ok as i don't think it has as of yet.

[Cre47]

Next edition's of the urban sprawl committee is about of new projets on the east side of Bank just south of Leitrim

http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2011/04-12/03%20-%20ACS2011-ICS-PGM-0082%20Bank%20Street.htm

To the west of the intersection of Bank and Lester

http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2011/04-12/01%20-%20ACS2011-ICS-PGM-0060%20-%20Zoning%20195%20Meandering%20Brook%20Drive.htm

And north of the existing development on the west side of Tenth Line near Blackburn By-Pass/Brian Coburn Blvd

http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2011/04-12/02%20-%20ACS2011-ICS-PGM-0077%20-%20Zoning%202168%20and%202367%20Tenth%20Line%20Road.htm

[waterloowarrior]

"The Meadows" by Tamarack Homes (http://www.tamarackhomes.com/meadows_entry.php) (HMB area)

Uniform is starting registration for "Richardson Ridge" http://www.uniformdevelopments.com/online/richardsonRegistation.html

[Exewau]

Site used to be an Esso gas station on Fallowfield east of Greenbank

http://southstationcondos.com/

[Dado]

Someone took a leaf out of the playbook used in Westboro for 'Westboro Station' in putting the word 'station' into the name of the development when it isn't in fact at a station (other than an old gas station).

Anyway, just 2½ storeys? That's it? All that farmland to look out across and all they can manage is 2½ storeys?

[S-Man]

The site is adjacent to an old (for Barrhaven) community of single and two-storey homes, so they would likely have howled over the half-storey height increase over their own homes, let alone an extra storey or so.
That's the reality of the situation. The other reality is that building is super stumpy and doesn't look good as a result. Even the south end of Barrhaven has four-storey buildings going up.

Ottawa's motto: "Stumpier, uglier, less dense...to please the neighbours"

The building is also walking distance from the Fallowfield train and Transitway station, so it is at least near a functioning station of some sort. As well, being built on the site of a former gas station makes the name a no-brainer! :)

[Kitchissippi]

Someone took a leaf out of the playbook used in Westboro for 'Westboro Station' in putting the word 'station' into the name of the development when it isn't in fact at a station (other than an old gas station).

Well, one can argue that it's just as far from Fallowfield station than Westboro Station is from its namesake :D

I suspect the height is such to avoid expensive elevators

[Dado]

:previous:

I might buy that reasoning on elevators controlling height were it not for the fact that it has... elevators.

Now here's the funniest part about this low height building. On the website is a quote from the developer:

Since the time we sold out our Crossroads of Barrhaven project, we have received many inquiries as to whether we would be building more condominiums in the area.

So it seems there's no shortage of demand for condos in the suburbs, conventional wisdom on the subject notwithstanding (perhaps - and call me crazy here if you want - but just perhaps there'd be even MORE demand for them if developers actually tried to create traditional mainstreets in the suburbs!), so why they didn't go higher is even more mysterious.

Even NIMBYism might not be too bad - none of the neighbours even have windows looking on this site, which is not too surprising since it was a gas bar. I'm sure they could have pushed it to 4 storeys. They could even have justified it on the basis that it would act as a sound wall. What intrigues me is why they've put the first floor half below grade, since there is a basement garage as well. It's even odder they didn't take advantage of that sunk first floor to get themselves an extra floor.

[Kitchissippi]

:previous:

I might buy that reasoning on elevators controlling height were it not for the fact that it has... elevators.

You mean an elevator...and do you see the size of it? it's just enough to satisfy the accessibility standards, meaning it fits a wheelchair and an attendant. Try moving an armoire or a king size bed on that. The distance between the farthest unit to the elevator is also rather long.

[S-Man]

Don't underestimate Nimbyism in the suburbs - it's real, and it has cropped up in Barrhaven and Nepean before. About a year ago a developer wanted to build a Java-type 3.5 storey building on the same side of the community as this, about 600 metres from Longfields Station on vacant land left in the middle of a subdivision that no school wanted to build on. The owners of the two storey homes near the proposed 3.5 storey building went ballistic - you might have thought they were building 30 storeys, the reaction was so great (and i should add - so typical - property values, privacy, traffic, 'the children!' ) They checked off every box from the Nimby checklist, and for a walk-up on a wide-open, half developed suburban street.

The Phoenix proposal (current) in the Craig Henry area is another good example - a stepped-back 6 storey building with a recessed (hidden) top storey, which is heading towards its third revision on the request of the outraged community.

That said, this building looks like a 3 or 4 storey building that has sunk into soft ground. It's so long and so short that it's unnatural. It looks like a retirement facility. 3.5 or 4 storeys would have been fine. I can't imagine that low-density residential zoning wouldn't allow for some more height...there must have been something weird put in place - a promise to the community or something - following the levelling of the gas station.

[MountainView]

This is a really ugly project in my opinion. Your view will consist of either looking out at Fallowfield Road and Farm Land; or directly looking into someone's back yard. I drive by this site at least 3 or 4 times a week, and just last week they put up a trailer and a sign proclaiming the new condos that are to be built. I wonder what the land is zoned for because I did not see any black and white City of Ottawa sign posted on that property to amend any bylaws, so I'm wondering if it was, and still is, zoned for both commercial and residential?

Nevertheless, very interesting spot for this project as it lies among 270k+ homes built over 20 years ago.

Also, I would not call this location "within walking distance" of Fallowfield Station. It is probably a good 20 minute walk, which is possible, but not for everyone. The only real bus options are the 2 express buses that run by there in the morning and evening, and the 170/173 that also pass by this location. Hopefully they build enough under ground parking for yet another (ugly) car-centric, suburban 'condo'.

[Cre47]

Urban Sprawl Update

4265 Limebank (SE corner of Spratt/NE corner of Earl Armstrong). The number of total units planned is unknown but the size is 34.6 hectares.

http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2011/06-14/01%20-%20ACS2011-ICS-PGM-0116%20Limebank%20Rd.htm

http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2011/06-14/01%20-%20ACS2011-ICS-PGM-0116%20Limebank%20Rd_files/image002.jpg

[Uhuniau]

I'm not sure what exactly you're expecting... a perfect grid pattern like Centretown?

At least a semi-grid like the Golden Triangle, southern Glebe, or north Vanier, yes.

Those crescents and circles that are parallel to Greenbank will allow pedestrian access to transit, which is a big improvement over past suburbs where everything would have backed onto the major roads and pedestrian access would be impossible.

And yet, we could start laying out subdivisions that are even better at providing pedestrian access and intuitive navigation, the same way the western world laid out streets for thousands of years before the 1950s came along.

The block sizes here are pretty small, too, which should make the neighbourhood pretty walkable.

And yet, they could be even more walkable, but we deliberately don't build them to be so. And then wonder why nothing ever changes.

[Uhuniau]

I don't get Uhuniau's complaint either. Sure, the grid is not complete but the street network is not fundamentally disorienting, either. It's all laid out in a basic two axis network as opposed to curving streets with culs-de-sac all over the place.

There are still idiotic loopy crescenty things that start and end on the same street. They are topologically identical to Kanatorleans, even if the "streets" stick to only five or six orientations instead of a dozen.

[Uhuniau]

Someone took a leaf out of the playbook used in Westboro for 'Westboro Station' in putting the word 'station' into the name of the development when it isn't in fact at a station (other than an old gas station).

cf. "Mews", "Crossing", etc., etc.

Is there a Tacky Name Factory out in the St. Laurent industrial park that pumps this crap out or what?

[Uhuniau]

(and i should add - so typical - property values, privacy, traffic, 'the children!' )

I think they missed "noise" and "crime". But good on them for thinking about the children.

Better luck next time, NIMBYs.

[Cre47]

Haven't checked that thread for awhile discussing extrimi-sprawlification or sprawl-maggedon. Some of them might be updates of proposals, but most should be new development proposals. Enjoy the reading.

3895 Greenbank Road in South Barrhaven

http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2011/08-15/9%20-%20ACS2011-ICS-PGM-%200165%20-%20Zoning%20-%203895%20Greenbank%20Road.htm

3718-3772 Greenbank Road in South Barrahaven (Half Moon Bay) - 680 units

http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2011/06-28/06-ACS2011-ICS-PGM-0140%20-%20Greenbank%20Road.htm
http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2011/06-28/06-ACS2011-ICS-PGM-0140%20-%20Greenbank%20Road_files/image004.jpg

5431-5465 Fernbank Road in Stittsville

http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2011/06-28/05-ACS2011-ICS-PGM-0132%20-%20Zoning%20Fernbank%20Rd.htm
1024-1026 Old Montreal Road in East Orleans

http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2011/07-04/03%20-%20ACS2011-ICS-PGM-0091%20-%20Zoning%20-%201024%20and%201026%20Old%20Montreal%20Road.htm

6048-6060 Renaud Road in Southwest Orleans

http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2011/07-04/04%20-%20ACS2011-ICS-PGM-0119%20-%20Zoning%20-%206048%20and%206060%20Renaud%20Road.htm

This one at 980 and 1420 Earl Armstrong Road in Riverside South could accommodate 2440 units

http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2011/08-15/11%20-%20ACS2011-ICS-PGM-0167%20-%20Zoning%20-%20980,%201420%20Earl%20Armstrong%20Road.htm

http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2011/08-15/11%20-%20ACS2011-ICS-PGM-0167%20-%20Zoning%20-%20980,%201420%20Earl%20Armstrong%20Road_files/image002.jpg

[S-Man]

2500 homes in one shot, huh? The folks downtown will breathe a sigh of relief - there will be peace and quiet in their neighbourhood, and, with a little reduction of basic services for the whole city, their taxes won't go up.

Everyone wins!

[Uhuniau]

And it's almost — almost — a real grid.

[Cre47]

2500 homes in one shot, huh? The folks downtown will breathe a sigh of relief - there will be peace and quiet in their neighbourhood, and, with a little reduction of basic services for the whole city, their taxes won't go up.

Everyone wins!

Yep it sounds like the first houses are probably up on the east side of Limebank near Spratt, since the E-Map shows some streets.

Looking elsewhere, seems new streets are shown further north along the Terry Fox's extension southern end. Plus a few streets on the western end of Half Moon Bay and along the Longfields-Jockvale connector. Several new streets beside Albion south of Leitrim, where the Findley Creek Dr extension to Albion has been completed. Also near Navan Rd and Renaud Rd as well as east of Portabello, south of Coburn.

[waterloowarrior]

Site used to be an Esso gas station on Fallowfield east of Greenbank

http://southstationcondos.com/

site plan application

http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/appDetails.jsf?lang=en&appId=__8OXP3W

[TransitZilla]

site plan application

http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/appDetails.jsf?lang=en&appId=__8OXP3W

Not impressed. The current gas station offers a pedestrian connection from Elke Dr to the bus stops on Fallowfield. This proposal walls off that side of the development and removes pedestrian access through the block.

[Uhuniau]

Not impressed. The current gas station offers a pedestrian connection from Elke Dr to the bus stops on Fallowfield. This proposal walls off that side of the development and removes pedestrian access through the block.

Have you nagged staff and the council-critter?

[waterloowarrior]

A couple new developments in Kanata North from Minto

Klondike Crossing in Kanata
http://www.minto.com/buy-a-home-in-ottawa/Klondike-Crossing/main.html

An inspiring new lifestyle opportunity is presenting itself in Kanata north.

Klondike Crossing will be an enclave of just 76 new ENERGY STAR homes, including Terrace Homes along with a brand new product: Minto Urban Townhomes.

Located on the west side of March Road within the sold-out Minto community of Morgan’s Grant and adjacent to the Klondike Crossing commercial site, Klondike Crossing represents a rare opportunity: modern, affordable, innovative homes in a well-established, vibrant, family-oriented community with close access to shopping and other amenities.

Lots of great amenities in an established community

As a homeowner in Klondike Crossing, you’ll be mere steps away from a community park, community-use building (the historic Town Hall), a café, pizza place, Shoppers Drug Mart, dental services, TD Canada Trust and more.

So if living in an ENERGY STAR home within a special enclave slated for LEED® certification in the established community of Morgan’s Grant -- and all within walking distance of transit and amenities in Kanata north – appeals to you, then you’ll want to keep on top of our plans for Klondike Crossing.



And just nearby..... "Morgan's Creek"
760 March (near Klondike)

Proposing to develop 156 Stacked dwellings (Terrace) as 2 condominiums and 4 Multiple Attached Dwellings (freehold standard townhomes) for a total of 160 units.

zoning
http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/appDetails.jsf?lang=en&appId=__8O1F86

site plan
http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/appDetails.jsf?lang=en&appId=__8O1CHX

[Cre47]

Again, our politicians are crumbling under the pressure of the development lobbying groups. The most alarming ones might be in Half Moon Bay which seems it will go all the way to Barnsdale Road and the 416 but especially along the 174 east of Trim Road. That will basically gave the munitions to widen the 174 and therefore more sprawl in Rockland eventually.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Committee+gives+thumbs+more+development+city+fringe/5464840/story.html

[Cre47]

More coming from the suburplosion/extremili-sprawlification committee on Tuesday.

500 units for the Huntmar/Richardson Side Road area in Kanata (that is north of Highway 417 and Scotiabank Place

http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2011/10-25/6%20-%20ACS2011-ICS-PGM-0193%20Zoning%20Huntmar%20Dr.htm

http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2011/10-25/6%20-%20ACS2011-ICS-PGM-0193%20Zoning%20Huntmar%20Dr_files/image002.gif
http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2011/10-25/6%20-%20ACS2011-ICS-PGM-0193%20Zoning%20Huntmar%20Dr_files/image004.gif

Near Fallowfield and Cedarview in Barrhaven.

http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2011/10-25/7%20-%20ACS2011-ICS-PGM-0196%20Final-Fallowfield%20and%20Cedarview%20Rd_files/image002.jpg

And also a report on sidewalks in suburban developments

http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2011/10-25/9%20-%20ACS2011-ICS-PGM-0033%20Sidewalks%20in%20Suburban%20Final.htm

[waterloowarrior]

That Kanata one is by Minto: "Arcadia" http://www.minto.com/buy-a-home-in-ottawa/Arcadia/main.html

[S-Man]

Hmm...Arcadia was delayed for well over a year due to the Carp River flood plain issue. Funny how this is getting built, but the tall building proposed for next to the Terry Fox interchange and home depot never got past the planning stages.

[Uhuniau]

More coming from the suburplosion/extremili-sprawlification committee on Tuesday.

More curvy dead ends. Brilliant.

[Acajack]

Again, our politicians are crumbling under the pressure of the development lobbying groups. The most alarming ones might be in Half Moon Bay which seems it will go all the way to Barnsdale Road and the 416 but especially along the 174 east of Trim Road. That will basically gave the munitions to widen the 174 and therefore more sprawl in Rockland eventually.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Committee+gives+thumbs+more+development+city+fringe/5464840/story.html

I may not have been paying attention but I always thought there was an urban growth boundary just east of Trim Road. Was I right and is it just being breached (as elsewhere in Ottawa)?

[S-Man]

The recent OMB loss on the urban boundary issue means (I believe) a parcel of land added to the north end of Trim road and another added to the Barnsdale area.

[RTWAP]

More curvy dead ends. Brilliant.

I'm happy that they're moving in the right direction. It's grid-like.

[Cre47]

A bit more quiet meeting for the suburplosion committee. Both items regarding the Bank/Findlay Creek/Analdea area. I just hope that on the east of Bank it won`t sprawl one day all the way to Hawthorne Road or even Ramseyville Road. We all know that on the west side it has reached or nearly reached Albion Road.

3135 Analdea Drive. This is just south of the field which had that infamous hot-air ballon crash back in 2001.

http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2011/11-08/2%20-%20ACS2011-ICS-PGM-0172%20-%20Zoning%20-%203135%20Analdea%20Dr.htm

http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2011/11-08/2%20-%20ACS2011-ICS-PGM-0172%20-%20Zoning%20-%203135%20Analdea%20Dr_files/image002.jpg

4794 Bank Street

http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2011/11-08/3%20-%20ACS2011-ICS-PGM-0181%20-%204794%20Bank%20Street.htm

[Cre47]

Another piece of bad news. It seems they are planning to widen Stonehaven Drive in Bridlewood this year, which will means more suburplosion in the Hope Side Road/Eagleson Road area pretty soon. There were multiple applicants in that area but it was slowed down because of the lack of access into Bridlewood and the traffic problems on Stonehaven and Richmond Road. Now even though Richmond is not planned to be widen right away, although I`m sure, some would love to see this happening very soon, the Stonehaven widening will likely mean that those multiple applications will therefore proceed pretty soon.

[waterloowarrior]

Blackstone by Monarch - Spring 2012
http://www.monarchgroup.net/719,19-new-homes-CA-K2S1B6-ON-Kanata-Blackstone-Community.aspx

[Kitchissippi]

Blackstone by Monarch - Spring 2012
http://www.monarchgroup.net/719,19-new-homes-CA-K2S1B6-ON-Kanata-Blackstone-Community.aspx

"A Master Planned Community" seems like a lame description. What if it's a bad master plan? (it most likely is) In fact I have yet to run into a "planned" community (master or not) in the Ottawa area that actually makes sense. Why are the neighbourhoods that have grown organically in a largely unplanned fashion more exciting?

[waterloowarrior]

Havencrest (Tartan Homes) coming soon to Fallowfield/Strandheard
http://tartanhomes.com/en/communities/havencrest

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/homes/Moving+storey/5700021/story.html

[TransitZilla]

Havencrest (Tartan Homes) coming soon to Fallowfield/Strandheard
http://tartanhomes.com/en/communities/havencrest

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/homes/Moving+storey/5700021/story.html

Barrhaven... home to:

-Havenlea
-Crestway Drive
-Cresthaven Drive

...and now...

Havencrest.

[Kitchissippi]

Barrhaven... home to:

-Havenlea
-Crestway Drive
-Cresthaven Drive

...and now...

Havencrest.

Too bad Crestlea Crescent (http://g.co/maps/gbeyr) is already taken, but it's practically on the way to Barrhaven

[S-Man]

What was stopping them from choosing 'Southboro'?

[eternallyme]

What was stopping them from choosing 'Southboro'?

That would be most appropriate in a new south-end community. Perhaps the McCarthy/Riverside area south of Walkley?

[Uhuniau]

Too bad Crestlea Crescent (http://g.co/maps/gbeyr) is already taken, but it's practically on the way to Barrhaven

What about Leacrest?

OMFSM.

You know what? The next monster "community", on a Barrhaven or Kanata scale, should just be called Tackyville. Just get it over with. Tackyville. And nothing should be approved for development unless it's as cul-de-sacky as possible, including streets that literally go nowhere. Literally. And no street or subdivision or building names can in any way reflect anything. They have to be randomly selected from a pre-approved list of 100 supremely tacky real-estatese generic ones.

The outcome can't possibly be worse than what the current process is giving us.

[eternallyme]

What about Leacrest?

OMFSM.

You know what? The next monster "community", on a Barrhaven or Kanata scale, should just be called Tackyville. Just get it over with. Tackyville. And nothing should be approved for development unless it's as cul-de-sacky as possible, including streets that literally go nowhere. Literally. And no street or subdivision or building names can in any way reflect anything. They have to be randomly selected from a pre-approved list of 100 supremely tacky real-estatese generic ones.

The outcome can't possibly be worse than what the current process is giving us.

Actually, it could be MUCH worse. They could all be 1/2 acre or 1 acre lots scattered over huge swaths of the landscape...think large-scale Merivale Gardens or Pineglen areas...

[Ottawan]

Actually, it could be MUCH worse. They could all be 1/2 acre or 1 acre lots scattered over huge swaths of the landscape...think large-scale Merivale Gardens or Pineglen areas...

Oh - you must mean Greely/Manotick Station

[S-Man]

Greely - you mean the 'town' that has no centre or main street? Ugh.

[eternallyme]

Oh - you must mean Greely/Manotick Station

That would be even worse...imagine all our suburbs being like that...with the population they have now...

[Cre47]

New residential project in Aylmer. I've made mention on the NIMBY thread. Radio-Canada has done a much report on this citing the developer is currently being sued for fraud and illegal real estate transactions. The article does cite the removal of the nearby green space as the concern rather than garbage containers which CHOT mentionned.

Here's the street view of the lot in question.

http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=45.401433,-75.803078&spn=0.004671,0.013078&t=m&z=17&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=45.401463,-75.802922&panoid=E8Nq8wc4oRJ2MKiHVmKNzg&cbp=12,205.8,,0,0

[Cre47]

2360/2370 Trim Road - 234 units

http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2011/12-05/7%20-%20ACS2011-ICS-PGM-0218%20%20Zoning%20Trim%20Road.htm

http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2011/12-05/7%20-%20ACS2011-ICS-PGM-0218%20%20Zoning%20Trim%20Road_files/image004.jpg

http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2011/12-05/7%20-%20ACS2011-ICS-PGM-0218%20%20Zoning%20Trim%20Road_files/image002.jpg

[S-Man]

Apparently the Orleans NIMBYs (!) are still trying to get Habitat for Humanity out of their neighbourhood.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2011/12/08/ottawa-habitat-for-humanity.html

[gjhall]

Apparently the Orleans NIMBYs (!) are still trying to get Habitat for Humanity out of their neighbourhood.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2011/12/08/ottawa-habitat-for-humanity.html

Tis the season.

[kevinbottawa]

Here's some humour for the day. A townhouse development being opposed in Orleans. I really like Orleans, many of my friends live there (I lived there for a bit), but some of their residents have some weird attitudes. First the seniors not wanting school buses on their street, then some people opposed the Habitat for Humanity project, now this.


Townhomes vs. Traffic

Orleans Star
Published on January 12, 2012
Catherine Kitts

It may be in the early stages, but plans for a 24 unit stacked set of townhomes at 2020 Dorima St., near the corner of Innes Rd. and Tenth Line Rd., are making residents upset.

"After a community informaton session on Dec. 6, the residents of this area have decided to oppose this development due to many concerns," said Ron Souliere, who has taken the lead on this initiative. Limited parking for the units, extra traffic and the safety of children, are among the neighbours' concerns he explains.

A private entrepreneur, Daniel Paquette, owns the land and has just recently applied to the City of Ottawa for a rezoning of that property. Cumberland Ward Councillor Stephen Blais, said that as it stands now, the land is zoned to build an even greater number of townhomes than he is planning.

"This is at the very earliest of stages really," said Blais. "I held a meeting before the application was even put forward by the landowner. "He wasn't required to have it, I asked him to. So that they knew what he was thinking of before the big white sign went up on the property and they weren't caught off guard completely."

Blais says that Paquette has only just put the application into the City and it hasn't even really begun to be circulated among the departments yet.

But, for residents like Souliere, they're hoping to stop the project before it even gets started.

"The parking lot (for these units) will be at the back, but only 24 parking spaces. The problem is, that means people will only have one parking space and today almost everyone has at least two cars. People are going to be parking on the street."

Souliere explains the community has already had a problem with people parking on their street due to the new moque across the road.

"Whenever they have a prayer meeting people are parking on our street, it's a big issue."

After the meeting, which was not well attended by members of the community, Souliere took it upon himself to circulate a petition. The office of Stephen Blais even gave him the template to do so. Blais reported receiving the petition on Jan. 10 which he plans on passing along to City planners.

"I'm going to wait and see what the professional planners have to say about it. This is the beginning of a process. A lot of stuff that's planned at the beginning isn't what ends up coming out at the end. I think it's important to keep an open mind during these processes."

Hold up at intersection

To make matters worse, residents have been having a serious problem with getting onto Innes Rd. from Dorima. At peak traffic hours, the volume is so high residents have to wait for a break in traffic, that never comes, in order to turn left.

"We can hardly get out from Dorima onto Innes, we can hardly make a left turn because of the traffic in the morning and in the evening. Sometimes you're sitting there for about five ten minutes before you can cross Innes," said Souliere. He explains that cars have been taking risks and are often obligated to sit at the median waiting for the cars to go by. Inevitably, this will cause an accident, he believes.

But, despite their concerns, residents have been told there's no real chance of getting a light put in at that intersection.

"As I understand it, if you put a light in at that intersection, you've got a light at the entrance to the Metro, the two lights would be within 100 metres of each other. So it really becomes very undesirable from a traffic movement perspective," explains Blais. "I think it goes back to the planning of the subdivision, I think i twas poorly conceived and now we're dealing with the consequences of that."

[S-Man]

This thing always amuses/annoys me - when residents argue that everyone buying into a small development with limited parking will bring multiple cars with them and spend their days juggling parking on nearby streets.

The obvious fact is that people who have many cars and can't do without them will not buy a stacked townhome/condo with a single parking space, especially in a suburb filled with low-densite garage mansions.

People who are slaves to their cars, like these people complaining ('The children!'...really?), don't believe there exists anyone different then themselves. It's all part of being the centre of the universe.

[Uhuniau]

People who are slaves to their cars, like these people complaining ('The children!'...really?), don't believe there exists anyone different then themselves. It's all part of being the centre of the universe.

I bet these upstanding citizens have themselves never, ever, caused child-strangling "traffic".

[S-Man]

Speaking of Orleans, suburban developer criticizes the city for not giving them all the land they wanted to sprawl onto (before high-tailing it back to Toronto with bulging wallets). Boo-F******-Hoo

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Peter+Hume+delivers+rebuke+Mattamy+Homes+Stop+taking+shots+city+planners/6010774/story.html?cid=megadrop_story

[S-Man]

double post, sorry

[S-Man]

Terrified of your nice, new neighbours? Call the media and start advocating they redesign their house for your benefit!

Oh, and mention your 'property values' while you're at it. The suffering some people have to put up with....

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Public+Citizen+Second+floor+balcony+house+disturbs+neighbours/6032543/story.html?cid=megadrop_story

[waterloowarrior]

Longfields (Richcraft)
http://www.richcraft.com/comm_longfields.html
http://www.richcraft.com/Images/longfields/sitemap.gif

This is part of the Longfields subdivision developed by the City of Ottawa
http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/occ/2008/07-09/pec/02-ACS2008-PTE-PLA-0135.htm

[waterloowarrior]

Minto comes to Rockland this Spring with "Morris Village"
http://www.minto.com/buy-a-home-in-ottawa/Morris-Village/main.html

[p_xavier]

This thread is hilarious. Even my hometown's newspaper has better written articles than that. OMG, I can see my neighbors! No wonder people laugh at Ottawans.

[S-Man]

I can't imagine how shocking it would be for:

(a) The young couple in the story that just moved into their hard-earned new home to open up the newspaper and find themselves vilified in the media by a paranoid old couple for having a balcony that was part of their home's design (the unspoken subtext of the story being 'move out', 'we're watching you in case you're watching us', 'don't use your own balcony', and 'spend more money to remove the balcony you wanted')

and...

(b) For some one not from here to open a copy of the national capital's leading newspaper (for whatever reason) to find this article - a media assault on neighbours in the absence of any laws broken. Talk about second thoughts of ever moving to a place where people would be that entitled and yes, very creepy.

I mean, just look at the guy in the photo - he's so smugly self-assured that this young couple is going to spend their days watching him and his nutso wife, he invited the media into his house to peer at the neighbours.

[reidjr]

This thread is hilarious. Even my hometown's newspaper has better written articles than that. OMG, I can see my neighbors! No wonder people laugh at Ottawans.

This is not a Ottawa thing it does happen in other citys as well take the diea of a casino in Toronto people writting comments on messege boards it has been very comical.

[kevinbottawa]

This looks like a nice addition to the downtown area in Carleton Place. In the first article below they use Rideau Street/Lowertown as an example of how to add some vibrancy to their downtown. Here' the link:

http://mcarthurislandcondos.com

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HmQHE_S__6Q/TyV7HcIo-DI/AAAAAAAABcE/g475Et9QtxQ/s640/Macarthur's+Island1.png

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nwPuJ8tkr8Y/TyV5yCgr9zI/AAAAAAAABb8/soPEE28VbMA/s640/Macarthur's+Island2.png

Here are some articles about it:

http://www.emcalmontecarletonplace.ca/20110630/news/Major+condominium+development+planned+for+Carleton+Place+site+overlooking+river

http://www.househunting.ca/ottawa/Change/6061535/story.html

[eternallyme]

This looks like a nice addition to the downtown area in Carleton Place. In the first article below they use Rideau Street/Lowertown as an example of how to add some vibrancy to their downtown. Here' the link:

http://mcarthurislandcondos.com

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HmQHE_S__6Q/TyV7HcIo-DI/AAAAAAAABcE/g475Et9QtxQ/s640/Macarthur's+Island1.png

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nwPuJ8tkr8Y/TyV5yCgr9zI/AAAAAAAABb8/soPEE28VbMA/s640/Macarthur's+Island2.png

Here are some articles about it:

http://www.emcalmontecarletonplace.ca/20110630/news/Major+condominium+development+planned+for+Carleton+Place+site+overlooking+river

http://www.househunting.ca/ottawa/Change/6061535/story.html

The only thing is that it is way too expensive for the market IMO. I doubt those looking for high-end condos will want to commute all the way from Carleton Place.

[S-Man]

Must be aiming for retirees IMO.

[waterloowarrior]

Blackstone by Monarch - Spring 2012
http://www.monarchgroup.net/719,19-new-homes-CA-K2S1B6-ON-Kanata-Blackstone-Community.aspx

subdivision application (phases 2-4)
http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/appDetails.jsf?lang=en&appId=__8XSRDX

[MountainView]

Recently a large sign for Tartan Homes went up on Greenbank as you approach Berrigan/Wessex from the North... Guess the community name.... 'Havencourt'. It will be on the blank parcel of land across from South Nepean Park on Longfields Dr... there is already a bridge built (with no road on it) to cross the new SW transitway and connect to Greenbank.

[S-Man]

Another hum-dinger of a creative community name from Tartan:rolleyes:

That land, plus the Longfields parcels has sat here for all eternity - it's about time. Guess there will be lots of construction in central Barrhaven this summer, not just on the fringes.

[waterloowarrior]

5611 Fernbank Road - part of the Fernbank CDP approved by the OMB after appeals were withdrawn
http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/appDetails.jsf?lang=en&appId=__7UMMK1

[S-Man]

Kanataville? Stittsata?

[Uhuniau]

Another hum-dinger of a creative community name from Tartan

Where is that, relative to Courthaven?

[Cre47]

More sprawlling updates

760 March Road

http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2012/02-14/04%20-%20Zoning%20-%20760%20March%20Road%20-%20Final.htm

The same stupid noise and traffic arguments even though it is only 156 units

http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2012/02-14/04%20-%20Zoning%20-%20760%20March%20Road%20-%20Final_files/image002.jpg

5271 Richmond Road - 1300 units

http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2012/02-14/06%20-%20Zoning%20-%205271%20Richmond%20Road%20Final.htm

http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2012/02-14/06%20-%20Zoning%20-%205271%20Richmond%20Road%20Final_files/image001.jpg

[amanfromnowhere]

More sprawlling updates

760 March Road



I would not call this one as sprawling development... This field is right in the middle of existing neighborhoods and no boundary extended. This thing faces a main arterial road - March Road. No need to build more roads etc. I would call it smart infill suburbian development. If someone wants to see a real sprawling development - it's another Minto's dev called Arcadia...

[Cre47]

I would not call this one as sprawling development... This field is right in the middle of existing neighborhoods and no boundary extended. This thing faces a main arterial road - March Road. No need to build more roads etc. I would call it smart infill suburbian development. If someone wants to see a real sprawling development - it's another Minto's dev called Arcadia...

It was pretty close to the northern limit and that not a whole lot has beenbuilt on the East side of March at and north of Klondike, so that's why I've considered it sprawl. The area need more densification for sure on the East side of March.

It would have been great if this project (probably was a fantasy project) would have been built. Though not sure if it was proposed for that lot since 760 March is in the South March subdivision/area, but looks pretty close to the proposal site. I'm sure the surroundings as well people like Bill Teron and Ken Gray would have screamed even more with a 20+story towers on March Road.

http://www.emporis.com/building/southmarchcondos2-ottawa-canada
http://www.emporis.com/building/southmarchcondos3-ottawa-canada

[Cre47]

Lots of new development on the north of Pink Road west of des Grives lately in le Plateau. About two years ago that was pretty much empty, now I would say 100+ new homes have been built and I think des Grives is going all the way to Mountain Road now on the southern edge of the Park. North of Pink Road, that won't go too far west because of an industrial area

[Cre47]

Dp

[S-Man]

Drove through Plateau the other day and saw they had topped out a four-storey residential building on one of the side streets by the 148. Eye-popping prices ($505/month??!)

[Cre47]

Drove through Plateau the other day and saw they had topped out a four-storey residential building on one of the side streets by the 148. Eye-popping prices ($505/month??!)

This is probably part of the urban village that the city plans to create in that area near the multiple roundabouts (basically from Europe Bl. to east of Atmosphere St.) But sure the prices are low, but it might be very small units.

There are still building some 3-4 story buildings along Europe Blvd as well. Being like that for almost 5 years now. Having being west of that area, but I know Plateau Blvd. (the road with the multiple big boxes and the StarCite) was extending further west in the last year and it might connect with the western portion pretty soon as there is probably only 1 km left to be paved.

[eternallyme]

It seems the developers are trying to "compromise" which doesn't benefit anyone. People seem to want either very large lots or condos.

[Uhuniau]

It seems the developers are trying to "compromise" which doesn't benefit anyone. People seem to want either very large lots or condos.

That's not true, but there is more imagination in the orphaned pen cap on the edge of my desk, than there is in the entire community of real-estate developers in Ottawa.

If people only want very large lots or condos, why are single-family homes on small lots in old, compact neighbourhoods with main streets instead of "power centres" so damn expensive?

[eternallyme]

That's not true, but there is more imagination in the orphaned pen cap on the edge of my desk, than there is in the entire community of real-estate developers in Ottawa.

If people only want very large lots or condos, why are single-family homes on small lots in old, compact neighbourhoods with main streets instead of "power centres" so damn expensive?

That is because the cost of land is much higher.

[Kitchissippi]

That is because the cost of land is much higher.

And why is the cost of land higher? Because of location or perceived proximity to amenities, or a sense of connection.

I laughed at a listing for a Westboro house that included the phrase "walk to Lululemon", as if it was something someone would want to do daily. But it exposes one thing: "branding" has become part of neighbourhoods, and many people subscribe to "you are where you live". The difference is that in the established neighbourhoods the image has become apparent and self-defined by decades of evolution, whereas developers contrive it for new suburbs with incongruent glossy brochure renderings of car-less driveways and photos of shiny happy people on bikes with wicker baskets.

[S-Man]

God, I just puked a little bit over that Lululemon listing. I couldn't imagine that being the reason for anyone moving into an expensive house. Close proximity to overpriced yoga pants!

[eternallyme]

And why is the cost of land higher? Because of location or perceived proximity to amenities, or a sense of connection.

I laughed at a listing for a Westboro house that included the phrase "walk to Lululemon", as if it was something someone would want to do daily. But it exposes one thing: "branding" has become part of neighbourhoods, and many people subscribe to "you are where you live". The difference is that in the established neighbourhoods the image has become apparent and self-defined by decades of evolution, whereas developers contrive it for new suburbs with incongruent glossy brochure renderings of car-less driveways and photos of shiny happy people on bikes with wicker baskets.

Notice that the population declined in most of the established communities that are not sustaining condo development, including in the built-out parts of the suburbs beyond the Greenbelt. Any desirable built-out area will always be more expensive than new areas that are not yet developed, due to the services available.

In the case of Westboro, it is near extensive retail and condo development which has further increased land values.

[Kitchissippi]

Notice that the population declined in most of the established communities that are not sustaining condo development, including in the built-out parts of the suburbs beyond the Greenbelt. Any desirable built-out area will always be more expensive than new areas that are not yet developed, due to the services available.

I don't get your connection between decline in population and the value of property. The decline simply reflects the fact that households are getting smaller — empty nesters, singles and couples with no kids. I bet we probably have more interior square footage per capita now than ever before.

[Uhuniau]

That is because the cost of land is much higher.

The cost of land on an existing house that is upwards of a century old is long since amortized.

Correct answer: demand.

[Uhuniau]

I don't get your connection between decline in population and the value of property. The decline simply reflects the fact that households are getting smaller — empty nesters, singles and couples with no kids. I bet we probably have more interior square footage per capita now than ever before.

You can almost see the "empty nest belt" on the census maps, not just of Ottawa, but of other cities as well. Dartmouth is a very striking example.

[waterloowarrior]

Minto's Mahogany zoning staff report...
http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/ara/2012/03-01/04%20-%20ACS2012-ICS-PGM-0070.htm

phase 1 got draft approval in the fall at the OMB http://www.omb.gov.on.ca/e-decisions/pl110854-Nov-15-2011.pdf

the rounded southeast corner looks like it could turn out quite nice

[waterloowarrior]

Richcraft now calling their Longfields development "Fieldstone"
http://www.richcraft.com/images/logo_longfields.jpg

› Location: Established Barrhaven

› Unit Types: Single family homes, urban towns

› Proposed No. of Units: 235

› Date Available: To Be Determined
Overview

The community of Fieldstone (formerly called Longfields) is located north of Claridge Drive, east of South Nepean Park and Mother Teresa Catholic High School, and south of Longfields Drive in established Barrhaven (Ottawa south). Village Square Mall, Chapman Mills Marketplace and the Strandherd Transitway Station are within walking distance.

In addition to single family homes, Richcraft’s new urban towns will be introduced at Fieldstone.


http://www.richcraft.com/comm_longfields.html

http://www.richcraft.com/Images/longfields/sitemap.gif



Uniform's Richardson Ridge site is up
http://www.uniformdevelopments.com/richardsonridge/

looks like Cardel will also be selling there
http://www.cardelhomes.com/ottawa/communities/richardson-ridge

[Uhuniau]

Richcraft now calling their Longfields development "Fieldstone"

Not Stonefields? Longstone? Richstone? Stonecraft? Seinfeld?

[Cre47]

Suburplosion update in Riverside South

707 River Road, 662 Earl Armstrong Road, part of 4650 Spratt Road - 831 units

http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2012/03-13/4%20-%20ACS2012-PAI-PGM-0040%20River%20Rd,%20Earl%20Armstrong%20Rd%20and%20Spratt%20Rd%20FINAL.htm


http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/pec/2012/03-13/4%20-%20ACS2012-PAI-PGM-0040%20River%20Rd,%20Earl%20Armstrong%20Rd%20and%20Spratt%20Rd%20FINAL_files/image002.jpg