South Waterfront News

[MarkDaMan]

Portland welcomes a new Hyatt hotel
Sep 8, 2016, 11:02am PDT Updated Sep 8, 2016, 11:05am PDT
Jon Bell
Staff Reporter
Portland Business Journal

http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/blog/real-estate-daily/2016/09/portland-welcomes-a-new-hyatt-hotel.html?ana=e_ptl_real&s=newsletter&ed=2016-09-08&u=kFaEqOvgXoyG8%2FwIKsmMtmSIXCT&t=1473446647&j=75720472

It broke ground about a year-and-a-half ago. Now it's open for business.

The Hyatt House hotel, located in the Riverplace District along the Portland Streetcar line at 2080 S.W. River Dr., will celebrate with an official grand opening this evening. The hotel, a project of Williams & Dame, is six stories with 203 extended-stay rooms, a pool, fitness center and 2,000 square feet of flexible meeting space.

In addition to Williams & Dame, the development team behind the project included EB5 Global, a firm led by Devin Williams, which raised equity capital for the project through the EB-5 Investor Green Card Program.

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[cronked]

Looks like things are moving forward.

http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b640/cronked/8B77B97F-D266-4C7C-8DB4-D26604C0F314_zpspgxukexx.jpg

[cronked]

Apparently a new wood fired pizza place is also opening next door to Blue Star. I don't have a name or specifics yet but one of the leasing agents at Riva on the Park told my girlfriend('s father's cousin....I kid, I kid) about it this afternoon.

I noticed yesterday that the "For Lease" signs have been removed from that space. I hope the pizza rumor is true.

[MarkDaMan]

Very, very interesting!

Zidell building its last barge, accelerating South Waterfront development
By Mike Rogoway | The Oregonian/OregonLive
on September 21, 2016 at 1:32 PM, updated September 21, 2016 at 3:06 PM

http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2016/09/zidell_yards_building_its_last.html

Portland barge builder Zidell notified employees Wednesday it is building its last barge on the city's South Waterfront.

It's a surprise development that will rapidly accelerate development of the 33-acre property just south of the new Tilikum Crossing bridge. Zidell had indicated previously that it planned to continue making barges for years to come, even as the surrounding area filled up with condos and offices.

"The accelerating pace of transformation in the South Waterfront took them a little by surprise," Zidell spokeswoman Kathleen Mazzocco said. She said the activity has been driven by the new bridge and by nearby commercial development, which includes considerable expansion at Oregon Health & Science University.

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[innovativethinking]

YES! Now we can get more 6 story buildings in a high rise district much sooner!!!

*sarcasm*

[urbanlife]

That is good news, though is Zidell going to continue building barges at another location or are they completely closing down?

I can't wait to see what the SoWa looks like matured, the current towers give the area a skyline, but it feels like it lacks so much at the street level. Hopefully this development will help add to the area and make it feel like an active urban district.

[Sioux612]

Zidell's two planned projects are high quality in both design and materials.

You're not going to see a Matisse-like abortion on their property.

At least I hope not.

[tworivers]

Very, very interesting!

Zidell building its last barge, accelerating South Waterfront development
By Mike Rogoway | The Oregonian/OregonLive
on September 21, 2016 at 1:32 PM, updated September 21, 2016 at 3:06 PM

http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2016/09/zidell_yards_building_its_last.html

Very interesting indeed. With the way Zidell representatives had been talking, I was thinking I'd be seeing this headline in 10 or 15 years at best. Some of the post-industrial park renderings for the barge site look pretty intriguing. And there will soon be no excuse for not having a continuous trail along the west side of the river from Terminal 1 to the Sellwood Bridge...

[maccoinnich]

Ask BikePortland: What’s up with Zidell and the future of South Waterfront greenway path?

http://bikeportland.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/sowapathlead-640x460.jpg

Today’s question (actually it’s more of a statement in need of clarification) comes from reader Douglas K.:

Zidell says they’ll be building just one more barge. That could clear one of the last major obstacles to completing the Willamette Greenway trail sooner than expected.

Could it? Many of you have contacted about this in the past few days. Here’s the lowdown and background on the issue:

One of the most common signs of Portland’s ever-changing urban landscape is movement of industrial manufacturing away from the the central city. It happened in northwest Portland before the Pearl District became a thing and it’s happening right before our eyes in the central eastside.



...continues at BikePortland (http://bikeportland.org/2016/09/27/ask-bikeportland-whats-up-with-zidell-and-the-future-of-south-waterfront-greenway-path-192379).

[maccoinnich]

Portland staying silent on cost of affordable housing deal with Zidell

http://image.oregonlive.com/home/olive-media/width620/img/front-porch/photo/11591939-mmmain.jpg

Portland housing officials learned this week how much it'll cost to buy land from the Zidell family to build affordable housing in the South Waterfront District.

How much?

Ask again next week.

Kurt Creager, director of the Portland Housing Bureau, declined Friday to say how much Zidell's property is worth according to figures from a new appraisal.

Friday had been the latest deadline to appraise Zidell property that Portland intends to buy to eventually build affordable housing. But Creager wouldn't discuss details because he hasn't spoken with his boss, Commissioner Dan Saltzman.



...continues at the Oregonian (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/10/portland_staying_silent_on_cos.html#incart_2box).

[maccoinnich]

Blue Star Donuts to open shop along South Waterfront

http://image.oregonlive.com/home/olive-media/width960/img/oregonian/photo/2015/03/18/-ebb1a66a5103c5d2.JPG

Blue Star Donuts is coming to the South Waterfront.

On Oct. 8, the quick-expanding doughnut chainlet from Micah Camden and Katie Poppe will open a shop along the South Waterfront at 672 S.W. Gaines St. As part of opening celebrations, they'll be giving away free doughnuts, limit one per person, beginning at 10 a.m. until they run out.



...continues at the Oregonian (http://www.oregonlive.com/food/2016/10/blue_star_donuts_to_open_shop.html#incart_river_index).

[maccoinnich]

Zidell: Barges out, kayaks in

http://pamplinmedia.com/images/artimg/00003558694891.jpg

When Jay Zidell announced his family is getting out of the barge building business two weeks ago, it was a big, steel nail in the coffin for old Portland.

The South waterfront site around the west end of the Ross Island Bridge was once home to ship breakers owned by the Zidell and Schnitzer families. While the Schnitzers have gone full bore and donated much of their adjacent parcel of land to Oregon Health & Science University, for the Collaborative Life Sciences building and the Knight Cancer Institute, Zidell Marine Corporation has one more barge to build before they shut up shop in mid 2017. Then they will focus on real estate, through ZRZ Realty Company, which is run by Jay Zidell’s nephew Matt French.

Shipbuilding gave way to barge building, which has given way to jogging surgeons and dental students on race bikes. The next part of the plan is to clean up the site of the long, blue barge building where the barges are made and fixed. This would complete the clean up of the rest of the 33 acres the Zidells own. That land makes the Zidell family the largest owner of undeveloped land in South Waterfront. These 33 acres are a subset of South Waterfront, which is 120 acres and is bounded by the river and Interstate 5. This in turn is a subset of the North Macadam Urban Renewal District, which totals 420 acres.

Once Tilikum Crossing opened and OHSU signed on to build three more buildings, ZRZ sped up its process. It doesn’t hurt that the Portland real estate market is hot right now and the urban renewal district expires in just nine years — 2025.




...continues at the Business Tribune (http://pamplinmedia.com/but/239-news/326431-205866-zidell-barges-out-kayaks-in).

[cronked]

Does anyone have info on this? Just got it off of NextPortland.


A Pre-Application Conference has been scheduled by SERA Architects to discuss a project at 3714 SW Macadam Ave:

Pre-application conference to discuss Block 40 South Waterfront – single block mixed use development divided into 2 parcels.

[maccoinnich]

I'll post the Pre-App Notice when it goes up. Usually within a week or two.

[pylon]

Zidell to miss first deadline for construction in South Waterfront
By Brad Schmidt | The Oregonian/OregonLive
on November 04, 2016 at 5:01 AM, updated November 04, 2016 at 5:03 AM

The Zidell family will blow past city deadlines to begin the first phase of its massive South Waterfront development, city and company officials acknowledged Thursday in response to questions from The Oregonian/OregonLive.

Under a "make or break" deal approved last year, Zidell agreed to start construction on an apartment project by Dec. 31, and another construction deadline looms July 1, 2017. The company's new chief operating officer now says those milestones won't be met but declined to offer a revised timeframe.

"I don't have a date for you for the beginning of construction," said Thomas Henneberry, who joined Zidell's ZRZ Realty Company this summer.

continues... http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/11/zidell_to_miss_first_deadline.html

[maccoinnich]

Incidentally, the Development Agreement (http://efiles.portlandoregon.gov/Record/7842060/File/Document) between the PDC and ZRZ requires that the Block 1 housing project (adjacent to the Emery) be under construction by December 31, 2016. There's no way that's achievable at this point.

You read it here first.

[innovativethinking]

For an area that's considered "SO PRIME" and an economy on a big upswing it sure seems to me that there's no hurry or excitement to build in this area

[Derek]

Lol, what? OHSU is going insane with the amount of new buildings under construction/in the pipeline right now. One new apartment building opened a couple months ago, another one is slated to open soon. The Prometheus blocks are (hopefully) going to add an additional four 7 story buildings. It sounds like the properties along Macadam are finally starting to draw interest based on the pre-app conference by SERA. A hotel just opened. Zidell has announced they're building their last boat, accelerating any potential plans for the future of the property. A 6 and a 14 story building that (hopefully) includes some kind of grocery store is going through design review. There's a lot of activity going on in SOWA right now.

[cronked]

Lol, what? OHSU is going insane with the amount of new buildings under construction/in the pipeline right now. One new apartment building opened a couple months ago, another one is slated to open soon. The Prometheus blocks are (hopefully) going to add an additional four 7 story buildings. It sounds like the properties along Macadam are finally starting to draw interest based on the pre-app conference by SERA. A hotel just opened. Zidell has announced they're building their last boat, accelerating any potential plans for the future of the property. A 6 and a 14 story building that (hopefully) includes some kind of grocery store is going through design review. There's a lot of activity going on in SOWA right now.

I would reiterate what Derek is saying. There is a ton of activity down there. Regarding Zidell, when they hired the new guy, I feel they took a more long term and comprehensive approach to how they were going to develop their land which required reworking the master plan which in turn caused delays to starting construction. When I toured Zidell recently, I saw the model of their land with future proposed buildings on it. It was impressive. There was also a lot of space for parks and other public areas. They mentioned that we should see their master plan by the end of the year.

[urbanlife]

You read it here first.

Did they do a ceremonial first dig? I believe that counts as beginning of construction. :haha:

[cronked]

Portland Streetcar may expand south along with Moody. It would be nice to have one more option to get in and out of the neighborhood.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/11/portland_eyes_streetcar_extens.html

[maccoinnich]

If you haven't already found it, there's some discussion about this in the streetcar thread (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=138861&page=45#896).

[maccoinnich]

On City Council agenda for next week:

1265 (https://www.portlandoregon.gov/auditor/article/597795) TIME CERTAIN: 9:45 AM – Accept findings of the South Portal Partnership Plan Project pertaining to proposed changes to roadway alignments of SW Bond Ave, SW Moody Ave, SW Hamilton St, SW Hamilton Ct, SW Lowell St, and SW Thomas St, and direct implementation of a plan to fund, design and construct remaining South Waterfront street connections (Resolution introduced by Commissioner Novick) 1 hour requested

Exhibit A (https://www.portlandoregon.gov/auditor/article/597796) Exhibit B (https://www.portlandoregon.gov/auditor/article/597797) Exhibit C-D-E (https://www.portlandoregon.gov/auditor/article/597798)

[65MAX]

On City Council agenda for next week:

This was interesting, at the end of Exhibit E, with maps showing the area of a proposed South Portland:

Appendix O:

Leading Zero Addressing Issue

The Project Team received feedback during outreach about difficulty experienced with wayfinding on account of the unusual leading zero addressing scheme. Very few cities aside from Portland have this scheme, and as the table shows in following Maps A through E, the wayfinding issue extends to other neighborhoods besides South Waterfront. The tendency of GPS applications and people unfamiliar with the leading zero is to omit it, which can result in being routed to an incorrect location west of South Waterfront and similarly-addressed neighborhoods to the south. Portland Fire & Rescue has confirmed that it would be technically feasible to readdress this portion of SW Portland as South Portland. This would result in the City being divided into six (6) rather than five (5) sections. No further action on eliminating the leading zero addresses on east-west streets is proposed as part of the South Portal project.

[maccoinnich]

Notice of a Pre-Application Conference (https://www.portlandoregon.gov/bds/article/597846):

A Pre-application Conference to discuss development of a full block site in South Waterfront. Two buildings are proposed on the site: a sixteen story building and a 6 story building. Each building has its own below grade structured parking. single block mixed use development divided into 2 parcels. There is a garage entrance from SW Moody to the 6-story building and a garage entrance from SW Abernethy to the 16 story tower on the south portion of the site. The two buildings may be phased.

[Derek]

This is pretty exciting actually. There's still a lot of potential along Macadam/Moody, maybe this can be somewhat of a catalyst for the western edge of SOWA.

[Photogeric]

Hey, anything down there that is more than six floors at this point is very exciting!

[innovativethinking]

Although 16 stories is nothing special anything FINALLY above 15 floors is somewhat encouraging

[maccoinnich]

A building permit was issued for the Tesla Showroom at 4330 SW Macadam Ave:

Remove interior partition walls, new walls to create showroom, offices, storage. New exterior ada ramp, new exterior door on south elevation.

[maccoinnich]

(x-post from the Parks thread (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=7631078#post7631078))

Looks like Parks is moving forward with design of the South Waterfront Greenway - North Reach (https://www.portlandoregon.gov/parks/71363).

[maccoinnich]

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[maccoinnich]

Missing link behind the former Benz Springs / future Tesla showroom is completed.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b112/maccoinnich/skyscraperpage/south%20waterfront/3EF0AC10-7EC0-48A7-9513-EDCC2B9243A1_zpscjthyjbu.jpg (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/maccoinnich/media/skyscraperpage/south%20waterfront/3EF0AC10-7EC0-48A7-9513-EDCC2B9243A1_zpscjthyjbu.jpg.html)

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[hat]

Excellent news! Thanks a lot for the pic. I'm unable to discern from maps if it's necessary to go through the Entcom parking lot or if you can skirt the riverbank past that building. The West side nearly has a continuous MUP along the river with just a couple additions near the Spaghetti Factory. Soon the N. Portland MUP will be on the radar. Thanks again.

[maccoinnich]

The trail is now continuous to the northern edge of the Old Spaghetti factory parking lot, where it dead ends (at future SW Lowell St). There's no way to turn off the trail at that point, so the easiest choice is indeed to cut through at the Entercom parking lot. Once Prometheus redevelops their site there will be a continuous trail all the way from the Sellwood Bridge to the Zidell property.

[maccoinnich]

GBD Architects have submitted two design review applications for buildings on the Prometheus Property in South Waterfront:

Two high-rise residential towers, each building consisting of around 7,000sf of retail and 300-550 market rate apartments and below grade parking.

New construction of two seven story mixed-use buildings, each building consisting of approx. 5,000 sf of retail, 200-300 market rate apartments and 150-250 off-street parking stalls in one level of structured underground parking and a partial level of structured at-grade parking.

[innovativethinking]

Hmm I wonder how tall those 2 "high rise" buildings will be

[maccoinnich]

Presentation (http://efiles.portlandoregon.gov/Record/10245860/File/Document) [PDF] to the Design Commission, set to be delivered on Thursday. Looks like some big changes to the sequencing / scope of development on Zidell's land. Pretty cool to see that they're working with West 8 (http://www.west8.nl) (there was a great profile of the firm in the New Yorker (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/05/16/adriaan-geuzes-governors-island) earlier this year).

[robocop]

Presentation (http://efiles.portlandoregon.gov/Record/10245860/File/Document) [PDF] to the Design Commission, set to be delivered on Thursday. Looks like some big changes to the sequencing / scope of development on Zidell's land. Pretty cool to see that they're working with West 8 (http://www.west8.nl) (there was a great profile of the firm in the New Yorker (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/05/16/adriaan-geuzes-governors-island) earlier this year).

Wow! This is crazy ambitious.

If this plan gets fully realized the South Waterfront will actually kind of resemble that infamous master plan circa 2006.

[cailes]

Id be curious what "streetcar return to Moody" means.

As in, leave it all on Moody (remove from Bond?)

[maccoinnich]

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[eric cantona]

Presentation (http://efiles.portlandoregon.gov/Record/10245860/File/Document) [PDF] to the Design Commission, set to be delivered on Thursday. Looks like some big changes to the sequencing / scope of development on Zidell's land. Pretty cool to see that they're working with West 8 (http://www.west8.nl) (there was a great profile of the firm in the New Yorker (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/05/16/adriaan-geuzes-governors-island) earlier this year).

holy shit! West 8? that's freaking awesome. that's some serious design mojo.

[ablerock]

Id be curious what "streetcar return to Moody" means.

As in, leave it all on Moody (remove from Bond?)

That caught my eye too!

My interpretation: They're asking "Where is a better point for the streetcar to return to Moody?" They have an opportunity to reassess that point because they're extending Bond Ave north well past Tilikum (and the entire grid south towards the river as well).

Two options that I see:

1. Streetcar goes a few blocks further north on Bond, then turn west right before Tilikum on Woods St (or any other street before Tilikum) and reconnects to Moody

2. They actually have Bond crossing over/under Tilikum. (I assume it would go under the bridge because it's already rising there). They could then extend the streetcar even further north on new Bond to better connect the new developments in that section. Then the streetcar can turn west to connect tp Moody farther up, closer to Riverplace. No idea where that might be.

Both are pretty exciting possibilities!

[hat]

Why would the streetcar be extended north on bond and not continue to use the current alignment? What practical application would this have?

[maccoinnich]

Construction is about to start on SW Bond through the OHSU Schnitzer campus. Eventually Moody and Bond will form a one-way couplet (with Bond crossing the Tilikum approach at-grade). In the original plans for the district the northbound streetcar would have run on SW Bond all the way from the SW Lowell turnaround to SW River Parkway in Riverplace. Knowing that construction of SW Bond was way out in the future, the return to Moody at SW Gibbs was designed to be temporary. The last I heard was that due to the recent rebuild of SW Moody—which removed the temporary single track line (https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5037914,-122.6730407,3a,75y,185.07h,81.25t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAzfw7GaQ0uqx_FMWAYk-cg!2e0!5s20090501T000000!7i13312!8i6656) and replaced it with today's more permanent configuration (https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5037787,-122.6731247,3a,75y,185.07h,81.25t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1snHxLwbvCt17Ex6Tk116uDA!2e0!5s20160701T000000!7i13312!8i6656)—the streetcar would remain on Moody, possibly in a transit only lane.

If the streetcar moves to Bond for its entire alignment then I guess there's the advantage that Moody can become southbound only. There's no easy way to phase that though. It would also take some complicated trackwork to make a turn off the Tilikum onto Bond possible. So my guess is that they're looking at ablerock's Option 1, with a return to Moody a few blocks further north than happens now. All that said, I don't understand why that's needed at all. Presumably Thursday's presentation will make things clearer.

[ablerock]

Construction is about to start on SW Bond...

Thanks for the clarifying details!

Another layman's theory that came to mind reading your response:

They might want to open vehicle-access and improve the pedestrian connection/experience along SW Gibbs, from SW Moody to the waterfront to better integrate with the new park blocks they're proposing. That street appears to be the only continuous vehicle access corridor along the south side of the proposed "Gantry Park" "Heritage Park" and the "Slipway Greenway."

That makes sense to me for a couple of reasons:

I really love the streetcar turn on SW Gibbs. It feels raw and European with the tracks cutting through the plaza. But I know people that feel very uncomfortable sharing the pedestrian space with the tracks and having a bit of a blindspot coming around the building.

Also, those park blocks look to be a grand spine and major activity center of the new developments. Without opening up SW Gibbs, they're a little harder/awkward to access by vehicles. Moving the return to SW Moody further north opens up SW Gibbs to become part of the vehicle and pedestrian entry to those park blocks from SW Moody. (Don't get me wrong, I'm all for squeezing cars out of every place we can. But moving the return does seem to have positive effects on the rest of the grid and experience.)

[Derek]

This is what I've always envisioned (sorry for the very crude paint job):

http://i.imgur.com/Xp4ylsR.jpg

Basically, in my perfect world, SW Moody would become a one way street heading south, with the streetcar having its own dedicated lane. SW Bond would continue to be a one way street heading north, also carrying northbound streetcar traffic to link back up at SW River Pkwy and Moody.

[hat]

This alignment makes a little more sense.

[cronked]

Interesting! Looks like Prometheus upgraded at least two of their planned buildings for the Southern end of South Waterfront. Does anyone know how high the "high rise" buildings will be? 300-550 apartments is a broad range.



This is from NextPortland:

GBD Architects have submitted two Type III Design Review applications for buildings on the Prometheus Property in South Waterfront:

Two high-rise residential towers, each building consisting of around 7,000sf of retail and 300-550 market rate apartments and below grade parking.

New construction of two seven story mixed-use buildings, each building consisting of approx. 5,000 sf of retail, 200-300 market rate apartments and 150-250 off-street parking stalls in one level of structured underground parking and a partial level of structured at-grade parking.

[innovativethinking]

Interesting! Looks like Prometheus upgraded at least two of their planned buildings for the Southern end of South Waterfront. Does anyone know how high the "high rise" buildings will be? 300-550 apartments is a broad range.



This is from NextPortland:

GBD Architects have submitted two Type III Design Review applications for buildings on the Prometheus Property in South Waterfront:

Two high-rise residential towers, each building consisting of around 7,000sf of retail and 300-550 market rate apartments and below grade parking.

New construction of two seven story mixed-use buildings, each building consisting of approx. 5,000 sf of retail, 200-300 market rate apartments and 150-250 off-street parking stalls in one level of structured underground parking and a partial level of structured at-grade parking.


Glad you asked

[maccoinnich]

I created a new thread for it (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=226195).

[cronked]

Hmm I wonder how tall those 2 "high rise" buildings will be

Me too!

So I assume it is a lot cheaper to build with wood but they can only go up to 6-7 stories with that. So if you are going higher than that I assume you aren't going to stop at 8-9 stories because you want to get your money's worth when building with reinforced concrete. What do you think the minimum height would be from an economical perspective? 12 stories? It will be interesting to see if these are right on the river lots or west of those.

[Derek]

12-19 is my guess.

[innovativethinking]

My guess is 15-23

[maccoinnich]

First look: Zidells unveil their latest designs for the South Waterfront (Renderings)

https://media.bizj.us/view/img/10275615/ddsasakizidellview08kayak20161202finalupdatesfinal.jpg

And, in what could be the most intriguing image of the lot, the former slip where Zidell for decades launched its giant barges into the river, gets transformed into a public river access point, where paddlers launch kayaks and canoes, sunbathers take in the rays and swimmers plunge into the water of the river and a cordoned off pool.

"It's a great access point for the river and a great opportunity that just hasn't been there before," said Tom Henneberry, chief operations officer for ZRZ Realty, the real estate arm of the Zidell family's company.

ZRZ was scheduled to go before the Portland Design Commission today for an initial preview of the Zidell Yards master plan, which has been in the works for the bulk of this year. Inclement weather postponed that meeting, but Henneberry provided a snapshot of the plan, including the renderings, to the Business Journal.



...continues at the Portland Business Journal (http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/news/2016/12/15/first-look-zidells-unveil-their-latest-designs-for.html).

[2oh1]

Every now and then, I have to remind myself of what it was like to wander through the Pearl in the late 90s. That image looks straight out of fantasy land... but I remember being on a date in the late 90s, walking through the Pearl. She was telling me about what the neighborhood was going to become in a decade, but I rolled my eyes because I saw what looked more like a war zone.

Anyway... I love this and I want it... but I'm not convinced it's even a little bit realistic. The pools, in particular, are never going to happen. Damn does that look cool, but let's be real. We get maybe three months of pool weather here? Sometimes less.

[cailes]

Holy huge image batman!

[hat]

Every now and then, I have to remind myself of what it was like to wander through the Pearl in the late 90s. That image looks straight out of fantasy land... but I remember being on a date in the late 90s, walking through the Pearl. She was telling me about what the neighborhood was going to become in a decade, but I rolled my eyes because I saw what looked more like a war zone.

Anyway... I love this and I want it... but I'm not convinced it's even a little bit realistic. The pools, in particular, are never going to happen. Damn does that look cool, but let's be real. We get maybe three months of pool weather here? Sometimes less.

I hear you, having gone to dim sum in the 90s when my mom worked in what is now the Pearl. DC created something similar but with a little less Willy wonka. Here's the Yards Park (https://www.google.com/maps/place/The+Yards+Park/@38.873091,-77.002332,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1s94119441!2e1!3e10!6s%2F%2Flh3.googleusercontent.com%2Fproxy%2FPk5HBR7Sg8kqewQ0h0gJ3FMbt4kvezrL-vB7oOipYstekWGwoYXWvtBCl21gfJCrLEY2HsKEegcOGE8RaAUd_k8A3hY3LQ%3Dw203-h113!7i2021!8i1127!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x2ab934289765ca4f!8m2!3d38.8734556!4d-77.0009476!6m1!1e1?hl=en&authuser=0). Notice the bathing pools next to the river.

[Derek]

Holy huge image batman!


Haha yeah, I don't know why that image blew up so much. I was going to fix it when I got home from work but I didn't bother since it was at the bottom of the last page. :P

[58rhodes]

...continues at the Portland Business Journal (http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/news/2016/12/15/first-look-zidells-unveil-their-latest-designs-for.html).

I remember "other" renderings from Sowa

I will believe it when I see it---

[innovativethinking]

I remember "other" renderings from Sowa

I will believe it when I see it---

Tell me about it lol

[urbanlife]

I remember "other" renderings from Sowa

I will believe it when I see it---

The renderings from the building boom that created SoWa has been fairly accurate, not as large as originally planned, but still impressive to say the least. I imagine this area will look somewhat similar to this kind of density when it is built out.

[58rhodes]

The renderings from the building boom that created SoWa has been fairly accurate, not as large as originally planned, but still impressive to say the least. I imagine this area will look somewhat similar to this kind of density when it is built out.

the first phase was impressive--the rest--meh

[innovativethinking]

the first phase was impressive--the rest--meh


Totally agree that first phase was right on target and very impressive. Then the recession happened construction halted which is understandable. Now with the economy better than ever they continue with a bunch of meh

[urbanlife]

the first phase was impressive--the rest--meh

The stuff that has happened after the recession is understandable since projects like that are much easier to get off the ground than towers are. Plus it is nice to see some variety of buildings while still adding to the street urban feel of the area. The architecture itself hasn't been great, but it hasn't been bad either.

[eric cantona]

It's going to be amazing to look back on this era in 20-30-50 years and recognize the immense talent that has been working in this City. the landscape architecture firms, in particular, are a list of who's who in international design. West8 is just the latest in a long string of talented and influential LA firms to contribute to Portland's phenomenal infrastructure. I see no sign of that slowing down.

[BrG]

Me too!

So I assume it is a lot cheaper to build with wood but they can only go up to 6-7 stories with that. So if you are going higher than that I assume you aren't going to stop at 8-9 stories because you want to get your money's worth when building with reinforced concrete. What do you think the minimum height would be from an economical perspective? 12 stories? It will be interesting to see if these are right on the river lots or west of those.

Most efficient? With Portland block dimensions, FAR & height maxes... it generally results in a stumpscraper.

Lay out the fattest possible plate, to maximize available FAR. But not so wide that unit sizes are too big for the market. The width/'fatness' keeps the floorplate/building skin ratio in check. A 'skinnier' floorplate equals more money per square foot, because building skin is an expensive component in the overall project cost.

Tops out at 21-22 stories in a concrete tower with about 10' floor to floor, or 240' total max. Above 240 is where expensive redundant structural systems come into play. If you go above that, you wanna go as high as the height limit, project budget/assumed market absorption rate can manage.

If you build a skinny tower, with a nice building skin like the Cosmopolitan... the rents or condo sale prices will be commensurate to pay for it & get a bank to sign off on the financial model and lend the money to build it.

PS: Yes, wood is far and away the cheapest to build with in a low-rise. It's use is often how all these housing projects are greenlit, and actually find the light of day right now. In today's dollars, probably $45-$60 dollars a blended square foot in construction cost difference between a wood building and concrete one. (Rough estimate based on experience.)

[58rhodes]

Most efficient? With Portland block dimensions, FAR & height maxes... it generally results in a stumpscraper.

Lay out the fattest possible plate, to maximize available FAR. But not so wide that unit sizes are too big for the market. The width/'fatness' keeps the floorplate/building skin ratio in check. A 'skinnier' floorplate equals more money per square foot, because building skin is an expensive component in the overall project cost.

Tops out at 21-22 stories in a concrete tower with about 10' floor to floor, or 240' total max. Above 240 is where expensive redundant structural systems come into play. If you go above that, you wanna go as high as the height limit, project budget/assumed market absorption rate can manage.

If you build a skinny tower, with a nice building skin like the Cosmopolitan... the rents or condo sale prices will be commensurate to pay for it & get a bank to sign off on the financial model and lend the money to build it.

PS: Yes, wood is far and away the cheapest to build with in a low-rise. It's use is often how all these housing projects are greenlit, and actually find the light of day right now. In today's dollars, probably $45-$60 dollars a blended square foot in construction cost difference between a wood building and concrete one. (Rough estimate based on experience.)

i LOL'D---- stumpscraper.

[innovativethinking]

Stumpscraper Hahahahaha

[WestCoast]

this is one of those visionary developments you so badly want to succeed.

I hope the family can get it done, that would be an epic neighborhood.

[zilfondel]

Portland desperately needs more leisure-oriented activities & access along to river!

[maccoinnich]

Snippet from a DJC article (http://djcoregon.com/news/2016/12/27/future-is-hazy-for-multifamily-projects/) ($) about the rush to get project entitled before the Inclusionary Zoning requirements hit:

http://djcoregon.com/files/2016/12/1226_Development_Pipeline_01_WEB.jpg

Another unintended consequence: Developers have shown their cards for their major projects planned for the next two to three years.

Cairn Pacific recently requested design review for up to four residential towers in the South Waterfront District. The buildings will be on land owned by Prometheus Real Estate Group of San Francisco. Initial plans call for two seven-story mixed-use buildings fronting the Willamette River. Each mid-rise building would have 200 to 300 market-rate apartments and 5,000 square feet of parking with 150 to 250 parking spaces in underground and ground-level structures.

http://djcoregon.com/files/2016/12/1226_Development_Pipeline_02_WEB.jpg

A second phase would add two larger towers set farther back from the river. The two larger towers would each have 300 to 550 market-rate apartments and approximately 7,000 square feet of retail space, with below-ground parking.

The second phase is an example of a project that has been submitted ahead of inclusionary housing rules, but won’t be built anytime soon.

“The in-blocks, frankly, we’re keeping our position,” said Tom DiChiara, a principal at Cairn Pacific. “The front blocks we’ve been working on for a while.”

GBD Architects and Jones Architecture are designing the buildings in a joint venture.

“We’re not in a huge rush to get them done, but we certainly want to get them entitled,” DiChiara said.


Curiously, the first image is of the Block 42 (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=221366) project, which was approved by the Design Commission in 2008, but never built (for obvious reasons). I don't know if GBD intends to get that same design approved again, or if they just needed something to give to the DJC reporter.

[maccoinnich]

Haven't watched this yet, but assume there's something interesting in it:

DA_wIiMmdSs

[maccoinnich]

After the last barge: Tom Henneberry discusses the new Zidell Yards master plan

http://chatterbox.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c86d053ef01b8d24ffc5f970c-500wi

BY BRIAN LIBBY

Last month the Zidell family and its ZRZ Realty Company unveiled a new master plan for their 33 acres in South Waterfront known as the Zidell Yards, between the Portland Aerial Tram, Tilikum Crossing, the Willamette River and Moody Avenue. Most notably, the master plan gives us a vision for the former Zidell Marine Company barge-building facility beside the tram. All told, this acreage is the missing link between the portions of South Waterfront developed in the last decade and the Riverplace area just to the north. When completed sometime in the 2020s, there will be a continuous strip of cityscape along the west side of the Willamette River.

To learn more about the master plan, recently I sat down for a talk with Thomas Henneberry, the company's new chief executive officer.

Henneberry has been on the job since May, but has been consulting for about a year. In crafting the master plan, he said the focus has been "on solidifying the vision and creating a master plan. It’s more than just buildings. It’s really trying to create a vision. There’s infrastructure, vehicular circulation, all these kinds of things that go into the ground. But it’s also the creation of a neighborhood and a lifestyle. The Zidell family has been here for over 80 years and showed everybody they’re a long-term holder of real estate and want to develop it into a special neighborhood. What has been lacking to date has been that access to the river, so what we have done with this plan is not just create streets and blocks but an opportunity to engage with the water. It’s living here, working here, having recreation and having access to the river."



...continues at Portland Architecture (http://chatterbox.typepad.com/portlandarchitecture/2017/01/after-the-last-barge-tom-hannebery-discusses-the-new-zidell-yards-master-plan.html).

[maccoinnich]

On the PDC agenda tomorrow:

Information Item: Update on the South Waterfront North District Development Agreement
Report 17-03 (http://www.pdc.us/Libraries/Board_Reports/Report_17-03_pdf.sflb.ashx)

[tworivers]

Nice write-up on Zidell Yards by Brian Libby here (http://chatterbox.typepad.com/portlandarchitecture/2017/01/after-the-last-barge-tom-hannebery-discusses-the-new-zidell-yards-master-plan.html), featuring an interview with Thomas Henneberry.

Edit: oops, just noticed that this was already linked to by maccoinnich on the previous page but I'll leave it here in case anyone missed it.

[maccoinnich]

A project at 3714 SW Macadam Ave has been submitted for Type III Design Review by SERA Architects:

Development of Block 40 in South Waterfront. Two buildings are proposed on the site (7-stories each), each with below grade structured parking. Single block mixed use development divided into 2 parcels.


(The original Early Assistance (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=7622494&postcount=2507) for this project indicated that it might be 16 floors tall. As it's now two 7 story buildings I've merged the thread into this thread.)

[maccoinnich]

On PDC agenda for Wednesday:

Report 17-05 (http://www.pdc.us/Libraries/Board_Reports/Report_17-05_pdf.sflb.ashx): Information Item: Update on South Waterfront North District DA Implementation

[maccoinnich]

Some images of Block 41 on Jones Architecture's website (http://jonesarc.com/on-the-boards/block-41/).

http://jonesarc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/B41_RENDERING_RIVER-PARKWAY_lg_web.jpg

http://jonesarc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/B41_Rendering_Greenway_lg.jpg

[innovativethinking]

Man this district really loves short buildings

[maccoinnich]

Presentation about South Waterfront begins at 34 minutes in:

lhPtzlJEj_E

Lots of graphics that I hadn't seen before.

[maccoinnich]

A health and wellness-oriented South Waterfront

http://pamplinmedia.com/images/artimg/00003569991686.jpg

With the Zidell master plan coming together, the plan for the South Waterfront District as a whole is coming to life.

Most recently, ZRZ Realty Company entered a partnership with Portland Parks & Recreation to create the open space parks, which is scheduled to be initiated by 2018.

With Zidell Yards's master plan moving forward with partnerships and green space plans, it's pushing along the master plan for the whole South Waterfront District, complete with new parks, retail and roads.

The 33-acre ZRZ property is the largest parcel of vacant, redevelopable land in Portland's City Center. The ZRZ plans include to add jobs, recreation, green space and housing, including 250 units of affordable housing in accordance with the city's recently passed Inclusionary Zoning policy.

In the South Waterfront District, all private developments must comply with the PDC's workforce and ethnicity requirements supporting tradespeople and businesses owned by women and people of color.



...continues at the Business Tribune (http://pamplinmedia.com/but/239-news/345247-224994-a-health-and-wellness-oriented-south-waterfront-).

[Derek]

Pizzicato is "merging" with Lovejoy Bakers at their location in the South Waterfront. It looks like Lovejoy Bakers is going to become Lovejoy Express and will only serve breakfast sandwiches and coffee while Pizzicato will operate for the remainder of the day. It is unclear if Lovejoy Express will offer any lunchtime selections, which is a total bummer because their sandwiches are great and I'm not a fan of Pizzicato at all.

[Pavlov's Dog]

Every now and then, I have to remind myself of what it was like to wander through the Pearl in the late 90s. That image looks straight out of fantasy land... but I remember being on a date in the late 90s, walking through the Pearl. She was telling me about what the neighborhood was going to become in a decade, but I rolled my eyes because I saw what looked more like a war zone.

Anyway... I love this and I want it... but I'm not convinced it's even a little bit realistic. The pools, in particular, are never going to happen. Damn does that look cool, but let's be real. We get maybe three months of pool weather here? Sometimes less.We have a similar new pool on in downtown Oslo and it is really popular and there is much less summer here than in Portland. Sørenga Sjøbad (http://www.sorenga.no/beliggenhet/om-sorenga/sjobadet/)

http://www.sorenga.no/beliggenhet/om-sorenga/images/gallery/sj%C3%B8badet/katrine-lunke_dsc3116_medium.jpg
credit Katrine Lunke

[cronked]

Pizzicato is "merging" with Lovejoy Bakers at their location in the South Waterfront. It looks like Lovejoy Bakers is going to become Lovejoy Express and will only serve breakfast sandwiches and coffee while Pizzicato will operate for the remainder of the day. It is unclear if Lovejoy Express will offer any lunchtime selections, which is a total bummer because their sandwiches are great and I'm not a fan of Pizzicato at all.

In addition, we have Heart Pizza opening up in the Riva and Piazza Italia opening up in the old Groaning Board space (not 100% confirmed). There is about to be a lot of pizza in South Waterfront.

In other news, Stylefront is finally gone. I always wondered how that place stayed in business. Over the weekend someone told me that it is a Japanese retailer who wanted to have a presence in Portland. We are big in Japan.

[ORNative]

Very cool - What a great way to activate the area and draw families during the summer. Would surely help local retail. As a parent I would feel much more comfortable with the kids swimming in an area protected from boaters.

[cronked]

From NextPortland.com

"Design Advice has been requested by GBD Architects for South Waterfront Blocks 42 and 45 on the Prometheus Property:

Design hearing – project consists of two seven story mixed use buildings, each building consisting of approximately 4,000 sf of retail, 200-300 market rate apartments and 150-200 off street parking stalls in one level of structured underground parking and a partial level of structures at-grade parking."

Looking at a map, blocks 42 and 45 are not on the river. They are one block removed from the river heading west. I thought that the short buildings (7 story) were going on the river (blocks 41 and 44) and the two, potentially taller, buildings would go on 42 and 45. Anyone have any other info?

[maccoinnich]

From NextPortland.com

"Design Advice has been requested by GBD Architects for South Waterfront Blocks 42 and 45 on the Prometheus Property:

Design hearing – project consists of two seven story mixed use buildings, each building consisting of approximately 4,000 sf of retail, 200-300 market rate apartments and 150-200 off street parking stalls in one level of structured underground parking and a partial level of structures at-grade parking."

Looking at a map, blocks 42 and 45 are not on the river. They are one block removed from the river heading west. I thought that the short buildings (7 story) were going on the river (blocks 41 and 44) and the two, potentially taller, buildings would go on 42 and 45. Anyone have any other info?

That case is on the Design Commission agenda (https://www.portlandoregon.gov/bds/article/320107) for May 18th. You could try emailing the planner to get a copy of the drawings.

[cronked]

After seeing some conflicting information, I reached out to GBD to see what they could tell me about blocks 41, 42, 44 and 45 (all owned by Prometheus). It turns out that all four blocks are planned for 7 story buildings. I had seen some renderings before that suggested higher buildings would go on 42 and 45 (phase 2) but that doesn't seem to be the case now.

[Monsoonstorms]

That's unfortunate. As someone who lives in the south waterfront, the plateau of buildings will not be aesthetically appealing. It is better than empty lots, however.

[Derek]

As another resident of the South Waterfront, I look forward to engaging human-scale buildings that activate the neighborhood.

[innovativethinking]

After seeing some conflicting information, I reached out to GBD to see what they could tell me about blocks 41, 42, 44 and 45 (all owned by Prometheus). It turns out that all four blocks are planned for 7 story buildings. I had seen some renderings before that suggested higher buildings would go on 42 and 45 (phase 2) but that doesn't seem to be the case now.

Man what happened to this district? I can understand SOME short buildings but damn how about once in a blue moon something over 20 stories? Smh

[zilfondel]

Haha, I have those same bicycle entourage people at work.

[maccoinnich]

Drawings (http://efiles.portlandoregon.gov/Record/10865472/File/Document) [58 MB] for Blocks 42 and 45.

(Unless anyone objects, I think I'll merge this thread back into the main South Waterfront thread.)

[pdxlexus]

This would look great in..........Vancouver!

[Rob Nob]

Other than Massing, I have no idea what these buildings are going to look like. Didn't expect that in a DAR presentation.

[maccoinnich]

Construction beginning on SW Bond

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b112/maccoinnich/skyscraperpage/south%20waterfront/6981558F-5821-4226-B4BA-172560C1421D_zpsumo8dbme.jpg (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/maccoinnich/media/skyscraperpage/south%20waterfront/6981558F-5821-4226-B4BA-172560C1421D_zpsumo8dbme.jpg.html)

[maccoinnich]

Presentation Part 1 (http://efiles.portlandoregon.gov/Record/10896800/File/Document) [45 MB], Part 2 (http://efiles.portlandoregon.gov/Record/10896801/File/Document) [64 MB] and Part 3 (http://efiles.portlandoregon.gov/Record/10896802/File/Document) [45 MB] for South Waterfront Blocks 42 and 45.

(Re: Block 45—I'm skeptical about architecture as metaphor at the best of times, but is there any actual history of ship building on or near Block 45?]

[pdxtraveler]

At least it has a different form to it. I think block 45 is interesting!

[zilfondel]

Presentation Part 1 (http://efiles.portlandoregon.gov/Record/10896800/File/Document) [45 MB], Part 2 (http://efiles.portlandoregon.gov/Record/10896801/File/Document) [64 MB] and Part 3 (http://efiles.portlandoregon.gov/Record/10896802/File/Document) [45 MB] for South Waterfront Blocks 42 and 45.

(Re: Block 45—I'm skeptical about architecture as metaphor at the best of times, but is there any actual history of ship building on or near Block 45?]

Yes, South waterfront was used to build liberty ships during ww2. The riverbank had been full of steel and leftover debris from ww2 until they started calling it a few years ago.

Those photos are probably getting the site.

[maccoinnich]

Are you sure about that? I know they dismantled ships on the zidell property after the war, but I can't find any reliable sources saying that there were ships built in south waterfront. The Kaiser shipyards were on Swan Island and in St Johns.